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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 09:36 PM
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The bizarre origins of the Nobel Peace Prize
I'm not arguing for or against awarding the prize to Obama here, there are plenty of other threads for that. let's leave that question for another thread. I'm just trying to figure out why this 'Peace award' is named after Alfred Nobel, the inventor of dynamite.

I thought I would find the answer by looking it up on Wikipedia. But strangely enoughm I find no logical explanation for it on Wikipedia either. That is, for why such a prestigious 'peace' award would be named after the inventor of dynamite and a Swedish arms manufacturer? Am I missing something? I don't quite understand what Alfred Nobel did to advance the cause of world peace, if anything, and to have such a prominent award for peace named after him?

Once again, this is not a slam against Pres. Obama, who I do respect. I may criticize his policies and his handlers, but I have nothing against the man personally.



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Alfred Nobel



Alfred Bernhard Nobel (born Stockholm, Sweden, 21 October 1833) was a Swedish chemist, engineer, innovator, armaments manufacturer and the inventor of dynamite. He owned Bofors, a major armaments manufacturer, which he had redirected from its previous role as an iron and steel mill. In his last will, he used his enormous fortune to institute the Nobel Prizes. The synthetic element nobelium was named after him.


Personal background

Alfred Nobel was the third son of Immanuel Nobel (1801-1872) and Andriette Ahlsell Nobel (1805-1889). Born in Stockholm on 21 October 1833, he went with his family to Saint Petersburg in 1842, where his father (who had invented modern plywood) started a "torpedo" works. Alfred studied chemistry with Professor Nikolay Nikolaevich Zinin. When Alfred was 18, he went to the United States to study chemistry for four years and worked for a short period under John Ericsson.<1> In 1859, the factory was left to the care of the second son, Ludvig Nobel (1831-1888), who greatly enlarged it. Alfred, returning to Sweden with his father after the bankruptcy of their family business, devoted himself to the study of explosives, and especially to the safe manufacture and use of nitroglycerine (discovered in 1847 by Ascanio Sobrero, one of his fellow students under Théophile-Jules Pelouze at the University of Torino). A big explosion occurred on the 3rd September 1864 at their factory in Heleneborg in Stockholm, killing five people, among them Alfred's younger brother Emil.

The foundations of the Nobel Prize were laid in 1895 when Alfred Nobel wrote his last will, leaving much of his wealth for its establishment. Since 1901, the prize has honored men and women for outstanding achievements in physics, chemistry, medicine, literature, for work in peace and now economics.

Though Nobel remained unmarried, his biographers note that he had at least three loves. Nobel's first love was in Russia with a girl named Alexandra, who rejected his proposal. In 1876 Bertha Kinsky became Alfred Nobel's secretary but after only a brief stay left him to marry her old flame, Baron Arthur Gundaccar von Suttner. Though her personal contact with Alfred Nobel had been brief, she corresponded with him until his death in 1896, and it is believed that she was a major influence in his decision to include a peace prize among those prizes provided in his will. Bertha von Suttner was awarded the 1905 Nobel Peace prize, 'for her sincere peace activities'.

Nobel's third and long-lasting love was with a flower girl named Sofie Hess from Vienna. This liaison lasted for 18 years and in many of the exchanged letters, Nobel addressed his love as 'Madame Sofie Nobel'. After his death, according to his biographers - Evlanoff and Flour, and Fant - Nobel's letters were locked within the Nobel Institute in Stockholm and became the best-kept secret of the time. They were released only in 1955, to be included with the biographical data of Nobel.

Sri Kantha has suggested that ' the one personal trait of Nobel that helped him to sharpen his creativity include his talent for information access, via his multi-lingual skills. Despite the lack of formal secondary and tertiary level education, Nobel gained proficiency in six languages: Swedish, French, Russian, English, German and Italian. He also developed literary skills to write poetry in English.' His Nemesis, a prose tragedy in four acts about Beatrice Cenci, partly inspired by Percy Bysshe Shelley's The Cenci, was printed while he was dying. The entire stock except for three copies was destroyed immediately after his death, being regarded as scandalous and blasphemous. The first surviving edition (bilingual Swedish-Esperanto) was published in Sweden in 2003. The play has been translated to Slovenian via the Esperanto version.

Nobel was elected a member of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences in 1884, the same institution that would later select laureates for two of the Nobel prizes, and he received an honorary doctorate from Uppsala University in 1893.

Dynamite and Gelignite

Nobel found that when nitroglycerin was incorporated in an absorbent inert substance like kieselguhr (diatomaceous earth) it became safer and more convenient to handle, and this mixture he patented in 1867 as 'dynamite'. Nobel demonstrated his explosive for the first time that year, at a quarry in Redhill, Surrey, England. In order to help reestablish his name and improve the image of his business from the earlier controversies associated with the dangerous explosives, Nobel had also considered naming the highly powerful substance "Nobels Safety Powder", but settled with Dynamite instead, referring to the Greek word for 'strength'.

Nobel later on combined nitroglycerin with various nitrocellulose compounds, similar to collodion, but settled on a more efficient recipe combining another nitrate explosive, and obtained a transparent, jelly-like substance, which was a more powerful explosive than dynamite. 'Gelignite', or blasting gelatin, as it was named, was patented in 1876; and was followed by a host of similar combinations, modified by the addition of potassium nitrate and various other substances. Gelignite was more stable, transportable and conveniently formed to fit into bored holes, like those used in drilling and mining, than the previously used compounds and was adopted as the standard technology for mining in the Age of Engineering bringing Nobel a great amount of financial success, though at a significant cost to his health.


The Prizes

The erroneous publication in 1888 of a premature obituary of Nobel by a French newspaper, condemning him for his invention of dynamite, is said to have brought about his decision to leave a better legacy after his death.<2> The obituary stated Le marchand de la mort est mort ("The merchant of death is dead") and went on to say, "Dr. Alfred Nobel, who became rich by finding ways to kill more people faster than ever before, died yesterday."<3> On 27 November 1895, at the Swedish-Norwegian Club in Paris, Nobel signed his last will and testament and set aside the bulk of his estate to establish the Nobel Prizes, to be awarded annually without distinction of nationality. He died of a stroke on 10 December 1896 at Sanremo, Italy. He left 31 million kronor (equivalent to about 1.8 billion kronor or 250 million US dollars in 2008) to fund the prizes.

The first three of these prizes are awarded for eminence in physical science, chemistry and medical science or physiology; the fourth is for literary work "in an ideal direction" and the fifth is to be given to the person or society that renders the greatest service to the cause of international fraternity, in the suppression or reduction of standing armies, or in the establishment or furtherance of peace congresses. There is no prize awarded for mathematics.<4>

The Formulation about the literary prize, "in an ideal direction" (i idealisk riktning in Swedish), is cryptic and has caused much confusion. For many years, the Swedish Academy interpreted "ideal" as "idealistic" (idealistisk) and used it as a reason not to give the prize to important but less romantic authors, such as Henrik Ibsen and Leo Tolstoy. This interpretation has since been revised, and the prize has been awarded to, for example, Dario Fo and José Saramago, who definitely do not belong to the camp of literary idealism.

There was also quite a lot of room for interpretation by the bodies he had named for deciding on the physical sciences and chemistry prizes, given that he had not consulted them before making the will. In his one-page testament, he stipulated that the money go to discoveries or inventions in the physical sciences and to discoveries or improvements in chemistry. He had opened the door to technological awards, but had not left instructions on how to deal with the distinction between science and technology. Since the deciding bodies he had chosen were more concerned with the former, it is not surprising that the prizes went to scientists and not to engineers, technicians or other inventors. In a sense, the technological prizes announced recently by the World Technology Network (not funded by the Nobel foundation) indirectly fill this gap.

In 2001, his great-grandnephew, Peter, asked the Bank of Sweden to differentiate its award to economists given "in Alfred Nobel's memory" from the five other awards. This has caused much controversy whether the prize for Economics is actually a "Nobel Prize" (see Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Nobel#The_Prizes











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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 09:39 PM
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1. The Nobel Peace Committee is five Norwegians. This was their decision, not the world's.And who knows
the vote may have been 3-2 and all this uproar both ways is the result of the opinions of three people in Norway. Good grief.
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 09:44 PM
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2. In other words
the award has no real moral-historical legitimacy?

I think we may agree.

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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 09:46 PM
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3. nothing has moral historical legitimacy
it doesn't exist.


There is only noise.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:37 PM
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21. Traditionally the choice is made by consensus and is unanimous.
That's how it's supposed to have been done in the past.
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Bear down under Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 05:13 AM
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30. It's late at night here...
Edited on Sat Oct-10-09 05:14 AM by Bear down under
...and I'm too tired to look up the link, but it was noted in a thread on this board that the Chairman of the Committee has said the award was unanimous.

edited for late-niight bad spelling
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 09:49 PM
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4. "I don't quite understand what Alfred Nobel did to advance the cause of world peace...
Edited on Fri Oct-09-09 09:50 PM by SDuderstadt
if anything, and to have such a prominent award for peace named after him"?


Fortunately for you, there were some clues to your question cleverly hidden in what you posted. I took the liberty of bolding one of the larger clues for you.


The foundations of the Nobel Prize were laid in 1895 when Alfred Nobel wrote his last will, leaving much of his wealth for its establishment. Since 1901, the prize has honored men and women for outstanding achievements in physics, chemistry, medicine, literature, for work in peace and now economics
.

Duh. Serious question. Do you bother to read what you post?

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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 09:55 PM
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6. It sounds like the will of a man with a guilty conscience

I think he realizes that his little invention has killed, and would kill how many untold millions?

...and lead to the modern arms race.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:02 PM
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8. Well, just file this under "broken clock right twice a day." n/t
Edited on Fri Oct-09-09 10:02 PM by Bolo Boffin
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:13 PM
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16. From what I understood, yes.
I watched a movie about him many years ago which said that he justified his dynamite and armaments by the hope that he would make weaponry and warfare so terribly destructive that it would cease to be practical.

Of course that proved to be a futile hope - there's no weapon yet too terrible for people to use on each other.

The establishing of the Nobel prizes, on the other hand, has given the world its most prominent and prestigious honors for those who benefit humanity, excel in the arts and sciences, and (closest to Nobel's heart) promote world peace.

I think it is a perfect fit with Obama, looked at this was. Nobel own best intentions had mixed results, but his legacy here honors the best intentions and hopes of our President. Its a huge responsibility, but I think he's up to it.
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sweetloukillbot Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 05:21 AM
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31. Actually, I heard this in church...
Establishing the peace prize was his way of atoning for the deaths caused by his invention.
Could be some Lutheran legend - kind of like the story about the guy who wrote "Amazing Grace" - but I vividly remember this from Sunday school and sermons growing up.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 09:54 PM
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5. So rather than attack President Obama for winning the Nobel Peace Prize
You are going to attack the legitimacy of the NPP itself. Gotcha.
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 09:57 PM
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7. This is a question I have been keeping inside for years
with it being currently splashed all over the news, I thought it would be a good time to ask and get it off my chest.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:03 PM
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10. And today is the day to do it!
You win the (booby)prize! :party:
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:05 PM
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11. It is a good day
when was the time the media has given it any attention?

Not in my lifetime, until now.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:06 PM
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12. Gotcha - for years you have been unable to type "Nobel Prize" into Google
And look for an answer to your question? Wow, I'm impressed.
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:11 PM
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14. dupe
Edited on Fri Oct-09-09 10:14 PM by rollingrock
sorry
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:17 PM
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18. I was taught years ago he hoped for the opposite
he hoped that the dynamite and armaments he made would make war so destructive and terrible that people would give it up. Of course, he must have learned otherwise in his lifetime, and made a fortune off the mistake...but the Nobel prize has that basic hope behind it, the end of war. I think he did a remarkable thing by leaving the awards as a legacy.
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:03 PM
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9. Nobel decided to use his fortune to promote peace. What's not to understand?
:shrug:
Congrats to President Obama
To those who think his winning the award is premature, perhaps the Nobel committee was using its considerable influence to nudge him in the right direction. Their agenda is, after all, to promote peace.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:08 PM
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13. You need to understand...
how RollingRock's mind works.


If you ever do, would you promise to let me in on it?
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:12 PM
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15. But his invention


and arms manufacturing has done just the opposite, promoting endless death and destruction.
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Princess Turandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:15 PM
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17. Yaeh, it's really a shame that someone developed dynamite..
cause having water delivered to NYC by carrier pigeon, rather than by enormous tunnels blown through bedrock, would have been much more fun!
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:29 PM
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19. You're expecting Rollingrock to use Logic in his...
thinking processes. After a while, you'll understand what a futile prospect that is.
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:37 PM
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20. What's up dude?
is this the first time we meet outside the dungeon!? how cool is that? lol.

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:02 PM
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22. Pretty cool for you, dude.....n/t
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:08 PM
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23. Ouch
that hurt! lol
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:23 PM
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24. That's funny...
that's the same reacticn my brain has when I read one of your posts.
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:28 PM
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25. Likewise
lol.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:31 PM
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26. Your brain goes "ouch" when you read one of your posts?
I'm not surprised, dude.
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:42 PM
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27. No, when I read one of yours
I find it amazing, and somewhat amusing, how your rantings never seem to lack any basis in reality.




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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 12:06 AM
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28. Well, why don't we let the readers compare them side-by-side....
Edited on Sat Oct-10-09 12:08 AM by SDuderstadt
I think they should start with your OP in which you express puzzlement that the Nobel Peace Prize would be named after the man who established it.
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VPStoltz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 12:23 AM
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29. Please remind the doubters that Henry Kinsinger, noted war criminal received this award.
More often than not, the award is given to those whose potential to do well is great.
Kissinger supposedly brokered a cease-fire then escalated the war in VietNam truly making his award worthless.
But, of course, where are the wingnuts on that issue.
Crickets.
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Bear down under Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 05:39 AM
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32. Take a look at the Nobel foundation's website
http://nobelprize.org/alfred_nobel/biographical/articles/tagil/index.html

The linked article considers the questions you raise, and there are links on the page to a lot more useful (and definitive) information.

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