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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 09:59 AM Original message |
All right, assume for a moment that President Obama announced a unilateral pullout from Afghanistan |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
1. Oh, how about we let the NATIVES settle their differences. It's not like the terrain is EDEN. |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:07 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. And the fact that the Taliban hosted Al Qaeda? |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:10 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. ya think in any way the west can help stabilize Pakistan from |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:12 AM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Kalashnikovs = AK-47's |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #18 |
73. thanks for the reply |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. And if Saudis, Pakistani ISI, & Cheney henchmen decide we need a good scaring the bejeebus out of us |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
21. I want the U.S out of Afghanistan but it's beyond ignorant to claim |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
82. Isn't it? |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
25. Sure because hell, those Friday night stonings and appendage chopping events rival the Super Bowl |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #25 |
79. Stonings, hand chopping and beheading happen every week in Saudi Arabia |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #79 |
107. Bingo. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
66. My favorite delusional armchair general. |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
2. we are not the world's police. |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:08 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Fair enough, but the world also has no police force. |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:12 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. stay out |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:16 AM Response to Reply #7 |
26. We stay gone? The chance to do anything positive was squandered by Bush (surprise) |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #26 |
65. Nothing truly positive can be gleaned by occupying a nation that will NEVER surrender. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
100. We are, and have been since 1945 |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
3. Here: |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:12 AM Response to Reply #3 |
17. yup |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #3 |
29. +1 |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. So? Not our problem. It is their society. They like it. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #36 |
56. Well the men like it.... |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #56 |
76. The question is whether any of this can be improved by intervention. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #76 |
86. I've believed that Bush's policy over the 6 years we've been there pretty much sucked |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:54 AM Response to Reply #29 |
67. There has never been "normalcy" in that country, therefore, we cannot bring "normalcy" back. |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
5. allow me to retort |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:10 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Do this again? Oh I don't know - I think we've got the *box cutters* angle covered. |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:15 AM Response to Reply #10 |
22. This assumes that history repeats itself exactly. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #22 |
81. Define occupation, because it's not simple. |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Good points, I see what you're saying. |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #10 |
34. got the *box cutters* angle covered ... good ....very good |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:11 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Thank you for the answers, they sound like a realistic assessment to me. |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #12 |
68. my pleasure |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
8. I don't think you'll get too many of us VN Vets |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:13 AM Response to Reply #8 |
19. Wow! I know many Vietnam vets who realized that they were over there FOR NOTHING. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:21 AM Response to Reply #19 |
30. I knew that within a few days of stepping in country |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
9. Karzai is the Bush anolog in Afghanistan; stolen elections and all |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
13. UNOCAL Karzai will leave when we do. Promise |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
14. The "Falling Dominoes" scenario...again. |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #14 |
28. I didn't invoke the falling domino theory. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #28 |
46. Same theory, different bogeyman. |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Some excellent suggestions in that article. Thanks for posting. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
15. Aren't we running a risk by being in Afghanistan? |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #15 |
33. True enough. |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
20. The pullout could be done by having a garage sale of all the |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #20 |
35. Then how are our beloved Defense Contractors going to spend FY 2010's = 515 Billion. |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #20 |
38. And should there be a heap of dead Americans, or a pile of smoking rubble in the future |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #38 |
72. I googlled 'us military bases worldwide' and picked this link at |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. Didn't Bush try to shut down bases |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. I believe the OP was along the line of conjecture, so this is what |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
23. So are you arguing to stay there? |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #23 |
42. Not necessarily, I am considering the situation and gathering feedback. |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #42 |
60. What we were doing on 09-10-01 ... without Iraq harrassment |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
24. Karzai would escape with us... |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #24 |
43. You've done this before haven't you? |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #43 |
95. I was serving on an Air Craft Carrier when Saigon fell. |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
27. Sec Def Robert Gates: |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #27 |
44. Hence the question was hypothetical. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
31. OMG! It would be SO TRAGIC if we don't give Afghani's US style democracy! |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #31 |
47. Did I mention tragedy. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. No, but I saw your upper lip begin to tremble a bit while you were talking |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:37 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. "I read it. It was dumb." |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. I don't think you understand what that phrase means. |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:40 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I forgot the "sarcasm" smilie. n/t |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:44 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Again, you might want to consult a dictionary |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
32. Responsibility for the Afghanistan 'security' effort needs to be given to a regional organization |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:27 AM Response to Reply #32 |
40. What's wrong with PERMITTING the people themselves sort-out the rule of their own NATIVE land? eom |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. It's the modern version of "White man's burden" that prevents that. nt |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #40 |
45. I would assume that Karzai isn't willing |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:47 AM Response to Reply #45 |
61. "all those nations"" WTF ... their numbers are dwindling fast. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #61 |
69. as I said |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #32 |
52. Excellent points, thanks for sharing them. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #52 |
62. Too funny! Most SANE nations don't want any part of "taming the un-tamable." |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
37. those consequences are largely our making-- the results of our foreign policy... |
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RoccoR5955 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
39. Perhaps we should pull our military out of ALL foreign countries. |
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Bigmack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #39 |
63. Yup... over 700 bases.... |
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RoccoR5955 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #63 |
71. And THERE you go. |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #63 |
90. I'm in favor of shutting down, according to the source linked below, |
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RoccoR5955 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #90 |
106. That 706 billion is Medicare for each and every person |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
51. The Entire Afghanistan Situation WAS PLANNED AND IMPLEMENTED BY BUSH NEOCONS ... get it? |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
55. 'Our Man in Armani', knowing what's good for him, resigns the Presidency and... |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. So creepy it might be true. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
59. the Pakistan military largely ran the Taliban and whether fundamentalists in the hinterlands are |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
64. We are not the WORLD POLICE. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
70. People dying doesn't bother us as long as we aren't there |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
74. What's going to happen? |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
75. The Taliban supremacy was not homegrown. It was due to outside influences. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #75 |
88. We can thank Brzninski (or however that twisted fuck spells it). |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #88 |
102. I "thank" Far West Ltd. and Dilligence for our Afghanistan adventure for the most part. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
77. Not our problem. |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #77 |
84. It wasn't our problem on Sept. 10th 2001 either. |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
80. I don't have the answer. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
87. Behold the sound of me not giving a fuck. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
89. The present Taliban LOATHE al Quaeda and have no desires to go to Pakistan if we are NOT |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Good point! |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #89 |
96. Proof? I don't deny the assertion but I hear the opposite |
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Mixopterus (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
92. Heh |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
93. Give Me One Thing We Can Actually Accomplish In Afghanistan, And I'll Be On Board With Sticking |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. I think we can destroy in semblance of an organized terror network |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #93 |
98. We accomplish killing a lot of people who otherwise... |
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oldlib (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
94. Middle East Strategy |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
99. The rampant stupid isolationism in this thread is nauseating. |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. It's an American tradition. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 01:23 PM Response to Reply #101 |
109. So, we should bomb and invade away, I guess |
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Bigmack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #99 |
103. Wait one fucking minute.... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #99 |
104. It's a nice change from the rampant stupid warmongering. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #99 |
108. "Isolationism" |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. before you jump down someone's throat, you should read the other comments on the thread. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #99 |
110. Yeah, let's take another crack at Somalia! |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
105. The Afghan war should be fought with spies, not soldiers. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
111. With war, there is only one question to ask yourself |
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