Something that bothers me

[MichaelHarris]

it probably shouldn't but it does. When the media lists school shootings and ranks them according to body count why don't they include Kent State? Should it really matter if the shooters wear army helmets? I mean after all every student that died there was also innocent.

Dunno, just bothers me.

[ThomCat]

1. I agree with you.

But the "liberal media" doesn't like to directly blame the military for any atrocity.

[youngdem]

2. Kick.

[Horse with no Name]

3. It is different

This is civilians shooting students
That was the government shooting students.

[ThomCat]

11. So, does that somehow make this not a school shooting?

:shrug:

[Horse with no Name]

13. No. It makes it a slaughter of American citizens by the government.

You can rest assured they don't want to have THAT conversation again.
Considering only 69% of Americans know that Cheney is the VP, I can't even imagine how many know what the Kent State shootings were about.

[ThomCat]

14. True.

I never even learned about it until college. I'm sure many people have never heard about it. :(

[MichaelHarris]

19. should it matter

when innocents die who fired the guns? If it doesn't matter why keep counts of the innocents killed during war time? After all they're just numbers right?

[Horse with no Name]

21. It doesn't matter though. However, you are expecting a lapdog media

to say something that makes sense when you know damned well they won't because it opens up some ugly conversation.

[MichaelHarris]

23. maybe

that dialog needs to be open, it very well could happen again.

[Horse with no Name]

25. THAT is precisely why it won't be opened

because it very well could happen again. And not in the far too distant future.

[no_hypocrisy]

4. Kent State is in a category by itself since it was THE GOVERNMENT

that shot the students, not citizens.

[H2O Man]

30. A distinct category,

but Kent is not alone. Jackson State is in it, as well. See:

The Jackson State killings occurred on Thursday/Friday May 14-15, 1970, at Jackson State College (now Jackson State University) in Jackson, Mississippi. A group of student protesters were confronted by city and state police. The police opened fire, killing two students and injuring twelve.
.....

more at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_State_killings

[liberal N proud]

5. They don't count it because it was government shooting civilians

I am surprised that the bu$h regime hasn't erased it from the history books.

[JuniperLea]

6. My heart just dropped...

and is beating hard in my stomach.

You are right.

[GainesT1958]

7. They should...

Other than the Texas Clock Tower shootings, that is perhaps the first one that comes to mind...and it was just as shocking, just as tragic, though obviously it didn't take the same toll in lives.

I don't know how the students at VPI will be able to finish out the semester. I know if I was there, I don't think I'd be in any frame of mind to do it.

B-)

[ClassWarrior]

8. K&R

NGU.

[Ptah]

9. A List of Deadly Campus Shootings

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=3046019




" May 4, 1970: Four students were killed and nine wounded by
National Guard troops called in to quell anti-war protests on
the campus of Kent State University in Ohio."

[Rex]

10. Because the government never makes mistakes, how can it with such

a wise populace to select it's leaders.

[Wapsie B]

12. conservatives would just as rather sweep Kent State under the rug

and forget about it.

[Wickerman]

15. I was thinking that earlier today

I wish we didn't keep tallies. Makes it kind of competitive. :eyes:

[RB TexLa]

16. It's on this list

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=2940978&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.3.1

List of Deadliest Campus Shootings in United States
Last Edited: Monday, 16 Apr 2007, 4:43 PM CDT
Created: Monday, 16 Apr 2007, 1:43 PM CDT
04/16/2007 --

Fatal shootings at U.S. colleges or universities in recent years:

—April 16, 2007: A gunman kills 21 people in a dorm and a classroom at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Va. The gunman later dies.

—Aug. 1, 1966: Charles Whitman points a rifle from the observation deck of the University of Texas at Austin's Tower and begins shooting in a homicidal rampage that goes on for 96 minutes. Sixteen people are killed, 31 wounded.

—Nov. 1, 1991: Gang Lu, 28, a graduate student in physics from China, reportedly upset because he was passed over for an academic honor, opens fire in two buildings on the University of Iowa campus. Five University of Iowa employees killed, including four members of the physics department, two other people are wounded. The student fatally shoots himself.

—May 4, 1970: Four students were killed and nine wounded by National Guard troops called in to quell anti-war protests on the campus of Kent State University in Ohio.

[MichaelHarris]

17. but

not one mention on live TV, at least not on any channel I've watched.

[piedmont]

18. Kinda makes it into a competition for "high score," doesn't it?

We really ought to address how the media can report the news without sending the wrong signals.

[sam sarrha]

20. ...the shooters were undoubtedly CIA, they have license to kill children

they shot innocent bystanders.. it was 'psychological Terrorism', it told the students dont go anywhere near protesters they are dangerous and what they say is dangerous.. Protesting ENDED after Kent state

it was 'Terrorism', ..innocent people were killed to peruse a political agenda

[Ptah]

22. Here are a few more:

http://www.theage.com.au/news/Technology/A-list-of-deadly-campus-shootings/2007/04/17/1176696789844.html :
_May 4, 1970: Four students were killed and nine wounded by National Guard
troops called in to quell anti-war protests on the campus of Kent State University in Ohio.


http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=95489 :
May 4, 1970: Four students were killed and nine wounded by National Guard troops
called in to quell anti-war protests on the campus of Kent State University in Ohio.

http://www.kxly.com/news/?sect_rank=1§ion_id=559&story_id=10202 :
May 4, 1970: Four students were killed and nine wounded by National Guard troops called
in to quell anti-war protests on the campus of Kent State University in Ohio.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266368,00.html :
—May 4, 1970: Four students were killed and nine wounded by National Guard troops called in to quell anti-war protests on the campus of Kent State University in Ohio.

[MichaelHarris]

24. but

has one on air station said anything about it? I haven't seen one and I'm watching them all.

[Ptah]

26. I don't know, I haven't seen any TV reports.

Media is more than TV.

[MichaelHarris]

29. but

don't you agree it at least needs to be mentioned on the live broadcasts? It's almost like no one died on a school campus between Columbine and the Texas tower in 1966.

[Ptah]

36. Yes it needs to be mentioned.

I will never forget it.

:scared:

[BlooInBloo]

27. Because the media is on the side of the govt/military AGAINST the public.

[MichaelHarris]

28. Just watched

all three cable news shows and they went from Columbine to the Texas tower when doing a segment on school shooting timeline. Makes it even worse since the anniversary is coming up next month.

[spoony]

31. It kinda bothers me when they rank them at all.

It's like they're saying, okay here's the new benchmark, whoever next wants to be infamous has to top that number.

[treestar]

32. Categories

If you're going by location, it should count.

If you're going by someone going nuts, it would not, but the McDonald's and the Luby's cafeteria shooting, though not in school, would count there.

If you are talking about the National Guard shooting people who are protesting, as opposed to an individual going nuts, that puts Kent State in another category. Such killings could take place in other locations than schools, too.

[MichaelHarris]

33. what

about mass hysteria? I seem to remember during the testmony after Kent State, "Someone gave the order to fire but no one knew who." "The guy next to me fired so I did too" Could any of those National Guardsmen gone a little nuts at the time? Someone did. Rocks at 300 yards is no match for a .308 metal jacketed bullet. It really is important to look at some of the distances the kids at Kent State were shot at. It's almost like they were sniped.

I bet the parents of the Kent students didn't go, "Whew, at least they weren't killed by a regular gunman"

[treestar]

34. Sure it makes no difference to the victims. Dead is dead.

It is just the categorizing of them and that isn't going to matter much in the long run.

Still there is a difference of qualitatively appreciable type between this guy, Marc Lepine, the Texas Clock Tower shooter, and Huberty and a platoon of National Guardsmen on campus during a riot. They would at least have the excuse that they thought they were being ordered to shoot in that role, whereas the former type don't.

[pitohui]

35. editing because i see the timeline now, thanks ptah et all

this morning cnn had a "school shooting timeline" and kent state -- although jackson state, ten days later, was not mentioned -- but kent state itself was placed on the timeline w. the other school shootings including some w. as few as one victim

the entire timeline now seems to have been disappeared from the cnn website, at least i'm not seeing it now

i now see that i saw the timeline on abc not cnn!!!!