David Frum tells the truth about "the good old days" (before the New Deal)

[Nikki Stone1]

From: How we got here: the 70's, the decade that brought you modern life

http://books.google.com/books?id=hNsSttYnmxsC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_v2_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=&f=false


"Think for a moment of how the world looked in 1900. For most people, life was almost unimaginably hard, but more frightening than the hardship of life was its chanciness. In the happy United States, some people born poor could--with effort and luck--rise to great wealth. Others, no less hardworking, ending their lives as maimed beggars because a bolt had sheared or a sprocket slipped. A tornado could wipe out ten years of work on the farm...."

The Progressive movement of the 20th century was what brought us our modern way of life.

[bluestateguy]

1. I often wonder why David Frum thinks he has the right to call himself an expert on American politics

He's a native Canadian citizen, and only recently became a US citizen.

Where's the birth certificate?

[Gabi Hayes]

2. not clicking on that creep's site. he's telling the truth for once?

can you provide more details, please?

I talked to him once on the radio, where he was pushing about what a HERO Bush was, and I brought up Mark Crispin Miller's book, Bush Dyslexicon, and he completely mischaracterized it. when I tried to point that out that he either hadn't read it (most likely), or was lying about it (even nmore likely), they hung up on me


Review of his hagiography, "The Right Man"
from Amazon

On page 139, Frum talks about how rescue workers at ground zero did not vote for Bush in 2000 and guess what- they still didn't vote for him in 2004! This should make people wonder if Bush is protecting us so well, why do the people of New York, biggest threat city, didn't go with Bush in 2004? On page 142, Bush says he is going to hold responsible not only the terrorists but the governments that aid, abet, finance and shield terrorism - does this mean Bush's good friend "Bandar Bush" from Saudi Arabia? Bush says "Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorist."

I can't really blame Germany, France, Russia for turning away from us - Bush's good ole it's MY way or the HIGHWAY. All you people who follow Georgie blindly need to go back and read page 147 and tell me that he finally got his reason to invade Iraq on 9/11. "We're finished on taxes, except maybe for capital gains - if we win the war, we'll get our recovery." What a great strategy! And my personal favorite was the 2 paragraphs with Tom Ridge in them. Bush made Tom Ridge head of Homeland Security because he was governor of the state that a flight 93 went down in on 9/11.

What since does this make? Guess if you like Bush then it makes perfect sense but there are 48% of voters who know better! For a book that was suggested to me to see the good in George Bush, this book only highlighted the very reasons that I am so afraid of him being the President of the United States.

[Nikki Stone1]

3. He is a creep. That's why I was amazed at the candor. It was in a book of his.

I found it by accident. The site is not Frum's site but Google books.

[Gabi Hayes]

4. thanks. I really loathe the guy. he's very smooth, and usually hands

dopey adversaries their rhetorical hats, because he's very well versed in his own "facts," and recites them, along with the usual wingnut talking points, with a certainty that overrides his usually ill-prepared adversaries, who don't have the actual facts to counter his disingenuous assertions

[Nikki Stone1]

5. In this book, he identifies America's lack of confidence to the crime problem, not to Vietnam

and government lies.

I think he is silly more than evil here. He's not smart enough to see that crime increases can be correlated with a nihilism that stems from a contempt for government. And the lies of Vietnam underlie much of that contempt.

[Gabi Hayes]

6. depends on the type of 'crime' you're talking about. how many hundreds of thousands

are in jail for fricking weed, and merely possession, at that?

how many victimless crimes like that, 'porn' stuff, prostitution, etc?

that's certainly breeding contempt for the law

AFA lots of other crime, statistics show, I believe, that poverty is the major driver of inner city crime. I could be wrong, and that's perhaps an oversimplification, but they've been writing about things like that since Les Miserables, and before

[Nikki Stone1]

7. What he also doesn't mention is the CIA's involvement in drugs

LSD in the 60s and cocaine in the 80s, especially in LA.

Economically, we hit our salary peak in 1974, so your point about poverty is also spot on. I still think Vietnam was the shock that led to nihilistic thinking.

[Gabi Hayes]

8. CIA acid shenanigans go back to the early 50s, actually, as soon as they

found people experimenting with it in colleges and shrinks were using it to treat drug addiction and various psycho stuff

ever heard of that maniac shrink from Canada? a true monster

http://www.orwelltoday.com/ciabrainwashing.shtml

lots of other stuff on him. I just picked this one at random, even though it looks kinda hinky

it's basically correct on what he did, including terrorizing/keeping captive, one of his own staff shrinks

monster is a perfect word to describe him

check out Sidney Gottlieb, too

http://www.counterpunch.org/gottlieb.html