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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:14 AM Original message |
Why fundies are so big on spanking... |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
1. Not sure what you're suggesting... |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
95. I just came from a discussion with Max Blumenthal |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
96. Dupe, sorry |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
2. It isn't just fundies who spank their children. |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:50 AM Response to Reply #2 |
34. Draw it as a Venn diagram. |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
3. Of course I 'knew' this, |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
4. Damn, I'd be a genius then. |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. 138 IS Genius Level and You Qualify for Mensa, My Friend |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #8 |
36. What is mensa? |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Mensa Is an International Non-Profit Social and Educational Organization |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Delf-deleted dupe |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #4 |
68. According to the article, I could have been 133.8... oh well. You'd have been 140.8... |
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laundry_queen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
86. Same here. |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. I'm with you. |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. I'm with you. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
5. Wow, that silly child psychologist thinks spanking is "hitting"... |
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bullwinkle428 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
54. Being hit as a child made me NOT WANT TO HAVE KIDS OF MY OWN! |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #54 |
69. Being an Aspie, I lack the emotional balance required... not to mention PTSD... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
6. spare teh rod spoil the child. they dont trust. they think all out of control. we are all sinners |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. And the pro-hitting crowd are usually big on *demanding* "respect," too |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. ya. the respect thing is a funny too. having conversation other day about spanking with youngest |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. All the kids I ever knew who got hit were violent assholes AND spoiled. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:35 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. the worst, is it is a momentary fear. whereas taking the time (and takes lots of time) |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. The main thing is to set rules and ENFORCE THEM! |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. isnt that the truth. no no no, ok. lol. nt |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Oh it gets worse. My wife teaches kindergarten - she's seen it all (read on) |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #32 |
43. lol and why does any kindergartener have sunglasses at school. lol |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Oh, the sad thing is that she's one of the GOOD kids. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #46 |
52. ah, hopehoop, you are so right on in your accessment. |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. My eldest just entered college - confident, strong, and never hit. |
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surrealAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. Those kids who are there for 12 hours ... |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. "Neglected" primarily, but spoiled as well. |
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DollyM (837 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #32 |
75. I had to laugh when I read this . . . |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. last visit with nieces, 11 and 13 told me their father threw fit, emptied all drawers middle of |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 09:44 AM Response to Reply #75 |
94. I agree, but ultimately it is the failure of the parent. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
70. Let's meet for lunch and I'll show you a person who bucks that stereotype... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. so true. i was punished that way. worked for me. but then a talking to would have worked for me |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
7. I Know a Psychopath Whose Parents Proudly Assured Me They Never Spanked |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Spoken as if the only way to teach kids is through hitting. |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:27 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. There Are Some Lessons That Can Be Taught No Other Way |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:29 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Agree to disagree. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Hey, after all, you disagreed, so an attack on your maternal capacities was warranted |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #10 |
28. What a load of bullshit |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #10 |
29. OK here is the main problem I have with corporal "discipline" |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #29 |
42. B/c bullies/authoritarians see the obvious advantage in perpetuating their beliefs against... |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #10 |
38. the data show that spanking is a poor parenting strategy |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #38 |
44. What? You Can Only Accept ONE Kind of Anecdote? |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #38 |
49. What Data? |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #49 |
88. it's in the OP n/t |
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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
58. "simple-minded solutions to complex problems" |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #10 |
97. Have you ever watched Supernanny? |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Have you ever watched the Dog Whisperer? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Fair enough. Anyone who wants to parent their child as a dog would do a pup |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:40 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. NO, you dont get off THAT easy! You continually make that statement that it does not work |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:44 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. What does "fair enough" mean to you? |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #27 |
61. Nope, because your use if "hitting" is nothing more than subtle condescension. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Hitting is hitting. It's not condescension, it's just what it is. |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. So you think that Ceasar Milan hits his dogs? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. I don't know, I've never seen him do it. |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. No, the subject IS dogs. YOU brought it up. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. LOL |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. No, just crushing bad arguments. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:23 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. The funny thing is that I was close to actually agreeing with you! |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. And now your not? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Didn't say that... |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. OK, thanks for that. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. My pleasure! |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:48 AM Response to Reply #15 |
31. Exactly So |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #15 |
37. I'm calling foul on your lexicon |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #37 |
63. I dont advocate hitting ANYTHING. Check out the other threads before jumping in. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #7 |
30. They probably also didn't interact much with him in a positive way, either. |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:53 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. They Were Lovely, Educated, Upper Class Minor Nobility, What they call Well-Born |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #35 |
45. You ignored what the poster said. |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. I Said Well-born, not wealthy |
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sybylla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #30 |
57. Wow, that explains my nephew exactly. |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #7 |
93. Wouldn't have mattered either way |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
16. Related classroom discussion last week: |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
18. This sure helps explain "But I was spanked and I turned out OK!" |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:35 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. *roffle* |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
73. Find me in public and you'll find one who, when not hasting to get out of crowds, |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #73 |
87. As Spock would say, that's not logical. |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
20. Fundies are all about control: Men controlling women. Parents controlling children. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
23. On spanking vs verbal abuse and threats |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:50 AM Response to Reply #23 |
33. I thought it was well known that violence at home |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #33 |
39. I don't know if it really is that well known, though |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:52 AM Response to Reply #39 |
51. Emotional abuse is often worse in its consequences than physical. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #51 |
67. Thanks for this post. I hope everyone reads it. |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
98. I'm sorry you had to go through that. |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
48. Ohhhhh yeeeeeeaaaaaahhhhh. It's all about the childhood Jesus spankin' |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. LOL - horrifying, though, given how many actually believe it |
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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. is that a jack chick comic by any chance? |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
60. It's bad when child psychologists can't tell the difference.. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
66. Only the cretin who wrote that "news" has a low IQ. Unless, |
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greenbird (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
71. Well I was not only hit but beaten |
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scrinmaster (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
77. Maybe the brighter children behaved better, and didn't need to be disciplined as often. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #77 |
91. Or else the kids who got spanked were from a different social class |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
84. It also helps the sick fucks vent frustration at the expense of the child |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
92. Doesn't matter |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
99. I think it should be left up to the parent |
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