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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:11 AM Original message |
Earth is reaching its breaking point, U (of MN) scientists warn |
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Fading Captain (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
1. American birth rates are not a problem. Consumption is. |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. They can have as many babies as they want, but tax payers |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:19 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. So....you think limiting choice on people and their bodies is something only the rw would be upset |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #5 |
23. No one is proposing limiting people's choice to have children. |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:34 PM Response to Reply #23 |
56. That's where I am. No restrictions, but let's not subsidize over-population. nt |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #1 |
17. Birth rates everywhere ARE a problem. |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #17 |
29. Exactly. |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #17 |
46. Exactly. |
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Delphinus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #17 |
48. You get it: |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #1 |
28. There's a limit to how many people the Earth can support at any rate of consumption |
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Fading Captain (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
53. And in America, if you paid any fucking attention to my post, it's not an issue |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
45. Consumption, poor manufacturing controls -- I said elsewhere, context and venues. |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
49. And this will prevent climate change how? |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
2. The Planet's Future: Climate Change 'Will Cause Civilization to Collapse' |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Thanks for the link |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I don't speak for the author. The OP made me recall reading it some months back. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. We're actually pretty close to producing "test-tube meat" with no actual animals involved. (NT) |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
4. The Earth's willingness to accommodate us is at the breaking point. |
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tXr (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
6. No tax credit after two children. |
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katkat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #6 |
18. absolutely no tax credit after two children n/t |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
32. That way, the only the rich can afford to breed. Sounds like FREEDOM to me! nt |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Not in an economically just system. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Shrink the class gap and no tax incentives would be needed |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
8. Earth is in no danger |
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Zywiec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:27 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. +1 The earth will still be here long after us. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #13 |
24. ... |
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Zywiec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. You forgot your sarcasm tag n/t |
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NYC Democrat (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #24 |
40. no other report has been near anywhere near that negative so until I see other reports to back this |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:58 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Yeah, I've said for years that the only reason they choose to call it |
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Sal Minella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Yes. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #16 |
26. Again, you are saying that we are the only species to call the planet home? |
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Sal Minella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Please don't be absurd. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #15 |
25. We're the only species living on the planet? |
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katkat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #8 |
20. Earth is in danger, not just humans |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 09:01 AM Response to Reply #20 |
59. Those of us who say the earth will survive |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #8 |
21. And our sun has another 5 billion to go. The earth isn't going anywhere; we are. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #8 |
22. Yeah, it'll be a happy dead rock floating in space |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. Look at the history of the planet |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
10. I promise I will be leaving the earth within the next 20 yrs. |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
11. Earth can sustain far more with ease - dietary choices are to blame for much of this. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. People would rather die than give up meat. Reduced meat consuption |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Humans have no need for meat. |
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Zywiec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. So humans would have evolved exactly as we did without meat? |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
51. Not getting enough protein is a long-disproven myth. |
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Zywiec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #51 |
60. I was talking about evolution, not current times |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I'm talking recorded history |
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NYC Democrat (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. you like most vegans ignore one simple fact what would we do with all the livestock |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. WE LET THEM RUN FREE AS GAIA INTENDED! nt |
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NYC Democrat (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. yes yes let billions and billions of cattle chickens and hogs run free in every habitat |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #38 |
50. LOLOL! |
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NYC Democrat (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 06:03 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. fine then heres another one then fuck veganism anyway I love my meat and dairy |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:16 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Head right into the fucking sand. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
57. Bingo. Big, big part of it. |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
12. When I was a kid, the earth had 3 billion people. That was about the biggest number I knew about. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #12 |
43. Roughly somewhere between 1975 and 1980, if I recall the relevant charts...? |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
34. I go a little further than that. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
42. Last I checked, the US population is 300 million. Apart from the Duggars, the US isn't the problem. |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #42 |
62. The biggest problem with the size of the US population is |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
44. In a perfect world, people would CHOOSE |
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ldf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #44 |
58. hear, hear! |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
47. 1 American consumes as much energy as 307 Tanzanians... |
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dusmcj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
55. ignorami breeding like flies so they can "compete" with their fellows |
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