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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 08:27 AM Original message |
Media Matters gets it about why the Imus flap matters--it's NOT Imus. |
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Astrad (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
1. The problem with zero tolerance policies |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 08:34 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. There's this phrase used in journalism... "quote/endquote." |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
32. But this reason and intelligence doesn't go into the product people |
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Vexatious Ape (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
3. You're right: He is a product. |
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frogcycle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 08:40 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. exactly |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:27 AM Response to Reply #3 |
29. He was shitcanned because he spoke out against the war, and the sponsors all had lucrative DOD |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:28 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Then why doesn't Olbermann get fired? He just got a big raise. NT |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:46 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Exactly. By that reasoning, there'd be no one left at MSNBC; not even Scarborough. nt |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 10:09 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Please see my response below. Scarborough is their designated rightie, but his numbers are even |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 10:13 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Sure, WFAN is going to suffer — but since the advertisers were pulling out |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 10:32 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Did you not read what I wrote? The ADVERTISERS are the ones with the DOD contracts. |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 10:40 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. And Bigelow Tea? PetMed Express? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Fine. Don't buy it. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 10:27 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. "I know you think Olbermann's a big draw..." You lost me right there. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 10:36 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Well, I didn't mean it meanly. Olbermann IS a big draw, within his universe of MSNBC. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Okay, thanks. I will. nt |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:56 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Because of his audience. Not just the numbers, but the demographics. |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #34 |
52. You've got it all figured out don't you? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. They'd call it bullshit, because they want the left to carry the "credit" for this entire business. |
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iamjoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
5. What About Entertainment? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 08:50 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. As I state in my commentary, Imus is a product. This wasn't censorship, it was a business pulling |
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iamjoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:04 AM Response to Reply #7 |
17. It Doesn't Matter |
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Saturday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 08:52 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. You bring up a good point. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 08:59 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. They want to be thought of as respectable pundits but whine about how they are "entertainers" |
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Saturday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:01 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. And who says you can't be both? n/t |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:04 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. It's okay to be both, just don't tell others they can't be both. And don't whine |
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Saturday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:11 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. So you're saying that Imus declared |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
6. I think the job of many radio personalities is to be controversial. |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:01 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Recently, a number of newspapers dropped Coulter's column. This may |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-15-07 05:56 AM Response to Reply #12 |
62. She's been fired before for something she said... and probably will be again. |
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Jade Fox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:09 AM Response to Reply #6 |
19. Exactly. |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:25 AM Response to Reply #19 |
28. The market changed — Imus' show was a creaking old relic — and I hope |
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Jade Fox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:31 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. I hope so as well..... |
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jamez1957 (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
9. Ismus, like an Agent |
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pkz (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
10. They may get it |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:02 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Bullshit. I read it right here on DU shortly after it happened. |
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pkz (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:20 AM Response to Reply #15 |
26. Lots of us heard it |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:03 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. How did Media Matters "fuel the fire"? They merely reported his comments. NT |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 11:15 AM Response to Reply #10 |
49. Actually, Media Matters was the small spark and bit of kindling that the corporate suits used to |
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Venus Dog (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
14. Don "Lonesome Rhodes" Imus |
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mohinoaklawnillinois (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:11 AM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Exactly, great analogy Venus Dog. |
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IronScorpio5 (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
20. The Hypocrisy is mind=numbing... |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:13 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. That comment ended Jesse Jackson's presidential aspirations — he was |
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IronScorpio5 (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:19 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. When.... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 10:42 AM Response to Reply #23 |
45. No, he never HAD presidential aspirations. He ran to make a point, like Kucinich is doing. |
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Robson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:15 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Gangsta Rap is next - Sharpton, etc |
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IronScorpio5 (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:23 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Talk, talk, talk.... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #24 |
50. Hmmm, no wonder Sharpton looked so bummed out on REAL TIME last night. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:59 AM Response to Reply #20 |
35. "lynching"?? Is that like what others are calling "capital punishment" and "death penalty"? |
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IronScorpio5 (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 10:38 AM Response to Reply #35 |
42. As you wish.... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #42 |
53. I'll see your "fwiw" and raise you a "Bush is a genius" |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 10:39 AM Response to Reply #35 |
43. I think you pretty well summed up this entire controversy right there. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 10:37 AM Response to Reply #20 |
41. This is a lynching: |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
47. It wasn't even the words - it was the target. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 03:57 PM Response to Reply #47 |
60. Exactly. Wish I could recommend this post as a stand-alone. nt |
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SilentService (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
51. soo ... |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Fake outrage. |
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Mayberry Machiavelli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Imus wasn't "banned" from anything. His free speech is intact. He is free to go to a street corner |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 03:19 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. I'd be willing to chip in for his cab fare... nt |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
56. Imus Offered A Unique Dilemna |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Yep ... there's roadkill in the middle of the road. (But Imus deserves no pity.) |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
61. If Imus was sitting in his basement with his buddies, and he said "it" |
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