I dropped 20 bucks into a kettle today for the Red Cross and then I went home and smacked my wife.

[trumad]

I've been taught here on DU the last couple of days that if I do a good deed, then my bad deeds should be overlooked.

Let's see--- tomorrow I'm going to read to underprivileged kids, and tomorrow night I'm going to egg my neighbors house.

This could be fun.

[bryant69]

1. Well I think the first one doesn't balance

On the other hand, the second one is probably pretty balanced - how long are you going to be reading to sick kids?

Actually what you are teaching me Trumad, and I appreciate you for doing so, is that if you can't be perfect there's no point trying to be good. Which kind of goes along with my current philosophy anyway, so thanks.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[zanne]

3. Now you're giving the RNC talking points!

Let's not help them out, OK?

[bryant69]

11. As it turns out I'll say whatever I want

If some Right Wing asshole happens to say the same thing, I find I don't care.

Bryant

[fudge stripe cookays]

37. How exactly...

does that make you any different than the right wing asshole then?

[bryant69]

39. I suppose if you are going to base your opinion of me on that one statement

I am no different than a right wing asshole. Amazing they let me post here, isn't it?

Bryant

[fudge stripe cookays]

66. Not just that one statement.

And yes, it is amazing. I've thought that for several months.

[Name removed]

68. Deleted message

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[fudge stripe cookays]

70. Hmmm...

not very progressive of you. And against the DU rules.

You seem very enthusiastic about making sure that everyone else follows them although you're not a mod. Why don't the rules apply to you as well?

[skooooo]

5. exactly, and here's another point I've learned...

If you don't agree 100% with someone, then they can claim moral superiority over you because you "don't get it." The measure of "getting it" is determined by those with the most righteous indignation, and there is no room for other opinions (even if this is America and you are entitled to your opinion).

So it's all or nothing.

[skooooo]

20. funny second time I've brought this up...

...and no one wants to touch it.

[bryant69]

27. I suppose because it's such a self-evident statement that nobody has anything to say to it

Incidentally I don't agree with you 100%, so I'm afraid I'm going to have to claim moral superiority over you. Just putting that out there.

Bryant

[skooooo]

32. Kudos to you ....

Maybe someday I'll be in the 100% club too.

[Catherine Vincent]

33. Maybe no one is reading your posts.

Just kidding. :P

[skooooo]

35. well it's a point that hasn't been addressed...

And I think a valid one. good morning to you Catwoman! Go Obama!

[Catherine Vincent]

42. Good morning to you!

It's catgirl...not to be confused with the infamous CatWoman. And that is a good point that you made.

[skooooo]

43. But you are a WOMAN

Don't sell yourself short. LOL

[ChairmanAgnostic]

62. at 5'3" what you see is what you get.

but sales? Aren't we heading perilously close to Imus-land?

[skooooo]

63. huh?

Sales? I lost your meaning.

Remember. You are strong. You are woman.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

64. sell yourself short? 5'3"? sales? ahem.

OK, I haven't had my mourning dose of tea leaf squeezings. my bad.

[seabeyond]

13. being sympathetic to others or not hurting others doesnt equal perfection

not hurting others is really not that hard

[trumad]

17. sick kids

who said anything about sick kids? No---I only read to healthy underprivileged kids.

[bryant69]

22. Are they underprivileged literate kids?

Or illiterate kids? If they are literate maybe you could just give them the book; it would take less time.

Bryant

[trumad]

30. I'm reading Latin

so they're confused underprivileged kids...

[Robbien]

2. Oh pooh

Stop throwing hissy fits and just take notes on who at DU is making excuses for the bigoted pundits. I guarantee they are not the people you handed out hearts to last February.

[trumad]

6. Actually I handed all the hearts to Catwoman

because I secretly fantasize about making love to her as her cats watch.

[CatWoman]

53. you fucking nut

:hi:

:loveya:

Keep on kicking ass, Tru. You know I've got your back!! :)

[trumad]

58. Oh but I'm getting old Cat...

and my armor is getting rusty....

But---------I---------must-----------con---tinue-------to--------fight----------on.

[jonnyblitz]

4. yup, IMus defender logic. truly fucking PATHETIC.

good post.

[dogday]

7. Slapped her?

When did anyone lay a hand on anyone? Now if you call them all racist's names, you got it made....

[trumad]

8. But I gave money to charity

surely that helps rehabilitate my image?

[dogday]

12. When you physically assault someone, like these

women in the military that are getting raped every day, that is one thing....

call them all the names you want, but you always go over the line by using violence... that simple...

[spooky3]

46. don't you see the connection, though?

The comments themselves are the tip of the iceberg, or a symbol or indicator of the sexism and racism in this country that tolerates treating women and minorities badly. Why would a culture that sees nothing wrong with making the kinds of statements that Limbaugh, Imus, Beck and others have made, ensure that women and minorities do not suffer physical violence, gross unfair discrimination at the workplace, etc.? The fact that someone complains about the comments does not rule out their also complaining about the horrid conditions for women in the military.

You do understand that Trumad was using an analogy to make a point, don't you? Maybe that was not clear.

[dogday]

50. The analogy is not the same as physical actions

trumps words every time, and yes I see the analogy that doing good deeds should not excuse the bad deeds...


See my thread about women and the military....


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=639719&mesg_id=639719

[trumad]

56. smacked upside the head---or being called a nappy headed ho

I don't know--- me-thinks the slap would be a little less hurtfuOh and BTW: I was major kidding about the slap.

[dogday]

59. I kinda got that you were kidding, but I still

say physical trumps the words, and physical is illegal in this country... You won't be arrested for calling your wife a name, but they will arrest you for battery, for hitting her...

How you can say hitting someone is better than calling them a name? I don't understand that....

[trumad]

65. uh no

I'm just saying the sting of a smack goes away much quicker than the sting of a racist statement.

[dogday]

67. Both hurt, I see no need to define one as the worst...

One is illegal, one is not... Both hurt.....

[RandomKoolzip]

9. I don't find spousal abuse funny.

[trumad]

10. Ugg....

[slj0101]

14. Oh, I get it. You're being ironic!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Ooh, that's rich.

[RandomKoolzip]

23. ..ly...

[Rabrrrrrr]

15. Yes, the same logic that tells us to like a person's music because they're Dems

0r that we can't like a person's music (Ted Nugent, for example) or movies (Bruce Willis) because they're Republican.

And that Oprah's narcissistic fakery should be overlooked because she gives a lot of money away to good causes.

So, I have a volunteer mission to do at church this morning. I had been wondering what to do in the afternoon, but now I know: since I will have done church in the morning, I should be okay to sell crack to the kids at the school nearby!

[ellacott]

16. Good point Trumad

I think that some people just look at things as black or white. Our whole excistence is full of grey.

I don't think this has anything to do with perfection because no one will ever be perfrect.

This Imus mess should show that regardless how good you think you are if you do a bad thing you have to pay the consequences.

You can be a "good" person but if you go on your job and call people what Imus did, chances are you will lose your job.

[MUAD_DIB]

18. Heh. Who told you that?

Remember, no good deed goes unpunished.

[TahitiNut]

19. Sorry, but reading to underprivileged kids doesn't count.

Indulgences must COST MONEY to count ... and are only as effective as what is paid.

[trumad]

25. Damn---

so I can't egg my neighbors house?

[TahitiNut]

44. Not unless you buy 5 boxes of Girl Scout cookies.

Hurry, though. Next month it'll cost ya 6 boxes.

[trumad]

52. I already did

the problem with that is they make me fat which hinders my get-a-way after egging my neighbors house. Cause and effect---cause and effect.

[Solly Mack]

21. LMAO

I gotta admit...that thinking has bugged the shit out of me too.

The Barbara Bush Foundation gives out money all the time for literacy projects...guess that wipes out a few of their ah.."mistakes" too

I know! Maybe people can just practice forgiveness...it's just like those magic sponges.

[H2O Man]

24. Another option:

Amo amat amass;
Amonk amink a minibus.
Amarmyladie Moon,
Amikky mendip multiplus
Almighty midgey spoon .....
-- Lennon; In His Own Write

[trumad]

God dang you--- you made me use the Googles...

amo = I love
amas = you (singular) love
amat = he, she or it loves
amamus = we love
amatis = you (plural) love
amant = they love

http://onlysometimesclever.wordpress.com/2006/10/07/amo-amas-amat-pt-ii-your-first-latin-lesson/

[H2O Man]

38. It was an

interesting book. Some people could read it and see the author as a creative artist and a good guy. Others could read it and view him as a cruel and vicious bigot.

[TahitiNut]

45. "I can play dominoes better than youuuu cannnn."

(Insert mudra/genuflection here.)

[skooooo]

48. hilarious...thanks for posting nt

[WinkyDink]

49. It was that book that made my "Greatest Generation" father look at John as brilliant.

[City Lights]

26. trumad,

:yourock:

:rofl:

:loveya:

[Catherine Vincent]

28. It's like how the good christian folks back in the day attended church

every Sunday but never missed that Klan meeting.

[trumad]

29. It's almost a rationalization for bad behavior.

God will let me slip by cause half my life I worshiped him and somehow he'll miss the other half...

[KharmaTrain]

31. I Was Thinking The Same Thing...

Reminds me of a former boss (a radio station manager, no less) who felt his attendence at church on Sunday (more for show..."everyone" important attended this church, it was more status than faith) absovled him from screwing people over the rest of the week. So what if he just fired someone or screwed over a client...as long as he wrote the checks and showed up on the "honor roll" at his church each week.

A great analogy re: Imus. Hell, John Wayne Gacy donated time to local charities, too...under such "logic", he wasn't such a bad person either.

Cheers...

[trumad]

34. As a catholic I use to feel that my weekly confession gave me another week

of free sin. ;-)

[TahitiNut]

47. "There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning." (Jimmy Buffett)

:evilgrin:


I remember living in the deep south in the 60s ... when families would go retrieve daddy (sleeping in his pickup truck) from the parking lot of the local long-neck Chug'n'Puke on the way home from church.

[trumad]

54. I remember Daddy so hung over from Saturday night

and practically feinting in church the next day... Living in Miami, church clothes were mighty hot... and dad would sway back and forth as we stand and pray--sweat pouring from his brow---or was that George Dickel?

[Leopolds Ghost]

36. trumad & co, I expect you to join us on the OFFICIAL FIRE RUSH, BECK & COULTER THREAD

If you are serious about this, that is.

Double standards don't count. Now is the time to see some action. Visit:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x639819

[ChairmanAgnostic]

40. bless you, my son. Now, kneel and prey some more.

that ought to save you.

[trumad]

41. It's like praying before a bank robbery.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

61. smacks of this administration, eh?

that's what they've been doing for 6 yrs.

[xultar]

51. Man...the things you learn when you visit DU. That is exactly the lesson

I learned too.... Imus wants to put Dick on trial so he can call women Hos and insult black women.

[Malikshah]

55. Ah, but remember-- To lead a blameless life and then wallow in

iniquity is unforgiveable.

But-- if one leads a libertine existence and then "sees the light" one is lauded as the very pinnacle of righteousness.

In other words-- you've reversed the actions. You are damned.

To clarify: From Ruddigore (W.S. Gilbert and A. Sullivan)
Act II
Sir Ruthven (nee Robin) Murgatroyd:

"For thirty-five years I've been sober and wary -
My favourite tipple came straight from a dairy -
I kept guinea-pigs and a Belgian canary -
A squirrel, white mice, and a small black-and-tan.
I played on the flute, and I drank lemon squashes -
I wore chamois leather, thick boots, macintoshes,
And things that will someday be known as galoshes,
The type of a highly respectable man!

For the rest of my life I abandon propriety -
Visit the haunts of Bohemian society,
Wax-works, and other resorts of impiety,
Placed by the moralist under a ban.
My ways will be those of a regular satyr,
At carryings-on I must be a first-rater -
Go night after night to a wicked theayter -
It's hard on a highly respectable man!


Well, the man who has spent the first half of his tether,
On all the bad deeds you can bracket together,
Then goes and repents - in his cap it's a feather -
Society pets him as much as it can.
It's a comfort to think, if I now go a cropper,
I sha'n't, on the whole, have done more that's improper
Than he who was once an abandoned tip-topper,
But now is a highly respectable man!"

[trumad]

57. Great post...

[youthere]

60. Sure! After all John Wayne Gacy made hundreds of children happy...

entertaining them as a clown. DIn'he?

[JackRiddler]

69. I blame Ralph Nader.