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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:19 AM
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The Rude Pundit: Northern Racism Alive and Well and Stupid
Here's a fun little story from about ten years ago: the Rude Pundit was once sitting around with a group of professors, and the subject got around to how one defines "white trash." It's one of those charming theoretical discussions you get to have when you're overeducated and proud of it. He sat there for a moment while this circle of Northerners trotted out every trailer-living, tobacco-chewing, hick-talking stereotype (which, to be clear, exists in numbers far too large). And, of course, there was the defining element of these awful people from the South - their racism. Finally, the Rude Pundit spoke up and said, "As the only person here who has actually lived in a trailer in the South, I've gotta say that there's neighborhoods in Brooklyn or Boston where you'll find white trash racists who make the residents of Backwards Ass, Alabama, look like hippies." This was met with blinking and agreement and a change of subject.

It hardly needs to be said, but every once in a while, as all the redneck townhall protesters from the south, the midwest, and the west are paraded out on the airwaves like a barn beauty pageant, we need to reminded that violent, stupid white people exist all over this devolving nation of ours.

Suffolk County, New York, out on Long Island, is the place where the wealthiest of the wealthy have homes (like, you know, Steven Spielberg), where the Hamptons are, as well as a bunch of towns whose name ends with "gue." Wherever there's a clusterfuck of rich people, there's gonna need to be people who serve them, who build their pools, who make their food, who wipe the sweat off their balls. And in contemporary America, that's gonna be Latinos, many of whom will be illegals, who will live as close to their jobs as they can afford, generally gathering in a few towns. And in contemporary America, whenever there's an influx of cheap labor in that particular demographic group, there will be asshole white people who will do what asshole white people have always done.

So it is that a new report from the Southern Poverty Law Center singles out the white people of Suffolk County for a decade's worth of harassment, violence, and, in at least one case, murder, all against the county's Latino population. This includes recent charming seaside village incidents such as notes left at a church in Patchogue that said, "White people rule the church" and a beating and robbery of a Latino man by three white kids who, of course, used racial epithets during the incident. (By the way, in a look-how-far-we've-come incident this year, three black guys also beat a Latino while insulting his race.)

Where there's motherfucking going on, there will always be motherfuckers. In this case, Suffolk County Executive Steve Levy, who has mocked the racially-motivated murder of Marcelo Lucero in November 2008 and wanted the police to be able to detain Latinos simply on suspicion on being illegal immigrants. The police union refused. By the way, Levy's a Democrat. The county is also rife with stupid fucking white people joining stupid fucking white people gangs and groups that exist solely to demonstrate how fucking stupid stupid fucking white people can be.

The point here is not to say anything new. We know there's northern racism. We know there's racial profiling. The Latinos of Suffolk County say that you can't tell by looking who is illegal and who is not, thus they all fear attack. And in the area of enclaves where rich liberals gather, now heading into the last weekends of their summers before they close up their homes except for the occasional trip the rest of the year, one is always left to wonder who is the white trash and who is not.

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:22 AM
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1. K and R from the deep south
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:23 AM
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2. Excellent piece.
Edited on Wed Sep-02-09 10:23 AM by redqueen
Hope no one's surprised by this... many seem to think most racists are republicans in the south.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:25 AM
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3. Direct link...
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:26 AM
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4. Word. nt
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:28 AM
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5. TRUE


in my long life I've been surrounded by more racists then non racists. whether I was in the north, south, east or west. high income or poor and everything in between. educated or undereducated. what they all had in common was white skin.

I'm amazed Obama is still alive. seriously. more power to him.
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:29 AM
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6. Long Islanders tend to be pretty obnoxious people
No offense to LI du'ers of course.
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:29 AM
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7. K & R from Oklahoma
Originally from NJ, but there are dumb jackass racists all over. I'm related to some.
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:33 AM
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8. Sadly, the NYC suburbs have lots of racists. All the 'white flight'
from the city has created little bastions of hate.
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divideandconquer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:43 AM
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10. Obama's approval rating is high in the north and low in the south
The south is far more racist than the north, no comparison.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 04:52 PM
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15. You are aptly named. n/t
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:43 AM
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9. Yep, what most people have realized all along
but for some reason the stereotype that all southerners are racists, far out of proportion to the rest of the country, persists.
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erehwon2 Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:47 PM
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20. Race
Endless conflict, endless debate. I never understood it, never will.

This is not a rant here, but it will tend to ramble a bit. Please bear with me.

I report on medical safety issues and there's always this wonderful slot (pick one) for race. Your choices: black, white, hispanic, native american, asian, other.

It's fucking meaningless. Asian comprises Sri Lankans and Koreans. What the fuck does that mean? I'll bet the Mohawks had the same genetic predispositions as the Kiowa, better put down NA. Hispanic is a good one, too. That combines the Quechua with the Basques.

I was born in Satan's own Mississippi, I'm a generic mixed white of Northern European descent. Nominally Scots-Irish, which is just shorthand for all my ancestors getting kicked out of everywhere else. Every time I see a headline with Mississippi in it, my parathyroids go schizo and I think hoo-boy, here we go again.

I've probably lived around, talked with, played football, worked and cussed with a lot more black folk than many have ever seen. And let's not forget Oakland CA in the mid 60's while my dad was in the Navy. I was a minority there, still remember the names of the kids in my classes. Richard Brown, black and 4-eyed to boot shared my horror of maths. We were tied for the world record lowest grades, having concluded that ALL the solutions to all the number problems were zero. Could have something to do with New Math, but I just think we were just late starters.

Interlude: If you want a rundown on New Math, go to this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXx2VVSWDMo

Now, wishing Richard Brown all the best, Mark Bell, too (sort of a proto-Michael Jordan), he had no problems with the math PLUS was the only one to climb that stupid fucking rope hand over hand without landing on the gym floor in a 3-week coma like the rest of us, black, white and latino.

I live in Yurp now and when I go to the United Snakes I always try to find Southern food to bring home. In Philadelphia, the only place I could find grits was in an Ethnic Outlet. My steely blue eyes and 3 pounds of grits may have appeared incongruent to the Unethnic, but the sultry stares at the checkout did not deter me.

Latinos getting hassled and even killed in Long Island? Now I understand why my Hispanic wife insisted on dropping the Hispanic second surname on my Latino kids' US passports. If you're going USA, go WASP, and my last name is as waspy as it gets. It was hard to explain this to our young folk, I think they have been raised well in NOT accepting racism, judgement over other religions and much more. They also know that dear old dad is the only immigrant foreigner in the family, and the only ex-protestant. When I stood by the side of my kids for their first communion and a wafer was dipped in wine for me, I have had to whisper on three separate occasions "no puedo". They were cool about it, just a discreet nod and next please.

The Rude Pundit was far too kind to the shitbirds on Long Island. I'm guessing that the Pundit's reserve was understandable in a way, though, since these racist incidents appear anecdotal, and time will tell whether they are indicative of a wider trend.

Sort of like the occasional burning cross or casual lynching in the South. Isolated incidents, surely. But hey you, where there's a racial or ethnic roast, there'll be no shortage of shitbird fucking asshole mutherfuckers to turn the spit.

So more rudeness please. Racism may be ubiquitous, from the Rockies to the deep blue sea. All the more reason to get rude.

I know this is just a rambling monologue here. I count on you, Your Rudeness, for the true righteous rant. You're really good at it.



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Rebubula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:47 AM
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11. Racism
Edited on Wed Sep-02-09 10:48 AM by Rebubula
Again...just a quote from the Drive By Truckers

"Racism is a world wide problem and has been since the beginning of time - and it ain't just black and white, but thanks to folks like George Wallace it is always easier to play it with a Southern accent." - Patterson Hood


The whole world is racist. The US does not even come close to cornering the market.

I am not trying to excuse the racial problems in the US (again...ain't just whites that display racism) by pointing out the problems elsewhere - it is just that everytime race is discussed at DU, folks act like the rest of the world is a Benneton ad; living peacefully in harmony.

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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 12:11 PM
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21. wonderful post
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:49 AM
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12. Originally from Backwards Ass, Alabama....

with relatives still there, and growing up in Western PA where racism, including ties to KKK in my family, was overt, I give kudos to the Rude Pundit once again.

It's out there, it's pervasive, and I fear it's not nearly as small of a group as the many like to believe.

There's racism and bigotry of all types, including within the various ethnic groups.

We're just seeing the full-on "traditional American" racism we thought disappeared in the 60s, with the passage of Civil Rights legislation. On the contrary, that legislation -- for the South, at least -- turned them from being Dems to Repugs, and they have harbored resentment ever since. It's all coming out now, in its full glory.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 04:42 PM
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13. ...
:kick:
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Lorax7844 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 04:47 PM
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14. this southern girl gladly kicks and rec's this thread.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 04:56 PM
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16. Thank you RP
A southern man does need you around, anyhow.
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onestepforward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 05:05 PM
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17. Thank you for posting this. K&R
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 05:25 PM
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18. this scenario plays out all over the country
including california, where i live. there was a town hall meeting near san diego the other day, and some of the "protestors" were screaming the n word...referring to the president. racism is alive and well, all over this country.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 05:33 PM
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19. Scumbags know no geographic boundaries !
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Teesa80 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 11:50 PM
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22. I have experience Northern racism
I was born in Memphis, TN., lived in Arkansas and Florida. I came to New York City when I was eighteen and moved to the Capital Region when I was nineteen. I never experienced racism until I moved to Upstate NY. I married a white man who was sixteen years older than me. I had my daughter before we got together. She is black. My ex-husband's family were racist. I was shocked to hear them use racial slurs. Of course I commented on them because it was wrong. I knew they hadn't been around a lot of black people so I was open to discuss the black culture. I felt like they should know the way I lived and how I grew up. I talked about everything from the way I did my hair to soul food. They were ignorant and I felt I needed to educate them about black culture. It was nice to answer their questions. It was something positive.

Well, after four years of marriage, I decided to end the relationship. I had two boys by my husband by then and knew it would be difficult for my ex and our children. He was an alcoholic and I got tired of the uncaring side of him. To make the long story short, he has my children now. I told him to either put down the bottle or I was taking my kids to Florida until he sober up. I was his third wife. He had the same issues with them too. He had lost his two kids from the first marriage. I should have known better but I was young and naive. So he went behind my back, took the kids birth certificates and ss cards and filed for temporary custody of the kids. He said I was crazy. Yes I was anti-depressants and sleep medication. A doctor diagnosed me with Bipolar when all I had was PMDD. That's too much to get into. He took my babies and used them to get back at me. As long as he could be with me, I could see my babies. If I refused, he would stop me from seeing them. Court visitation order didn't matter. I would go to court and complain but they would do nothing for me. I haven't seen my children in almost two years. Going to court to try to see them was a joke. My ex would find any way possible to convince the judge I was unfit. I haven't been on medicine in four years, back in college, and worked my butt off to get on my feet after being left with nothing. There are crackheads and unfit parents that see their kids everyday and I never see mine. Oh he got the police to get CPS involved and when I look at their reports my daughter and me are black but my ex-husband and sons are white. I am my sons biological mother and they don't even acknowledge it. When I saw that report a few years ago, I knew that I wasn't fighting the typical custody battle. It wasn't me being on depression medication that has kept me from my children, it was my race.
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Teesa80 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 12:24 AM
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23. I am not the same
I grew up knowing there were bad people in the world. It wasn't the thought of this race or that race is good or bad. Now, I find myself avoiding making friends because it is hard to. I am constantly reminded that I am a black woman instead of just a nice and decent woman. I am constantly reminded by people of all races that I am not the typical black woman. I don't act or talk like a typical black woman. It bothers me that I can't just be me, a person, a human being, without the race or stereotype. I wish everyday that I could see the world through the eyes of the old me. I miss it. I loved being that person. I feel like one of the most unique qualities that I loved so much has died. I once again have let the world steal a part of me that I love. I want it back. I hope I can get it back.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 12:47 AM
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24. Welcome to DU, Teesa80!
Thanks for sharing your story. I'm so sorry about what happened to you.

:hi:
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 12:52 AM
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26. I don't think you ever lost you.....even if others cannot see you..you still exist..
peace to you and yours...
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 12:51 AM
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25. I wish the rude pundit got more coverage..excellent...
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