The corporate message:

[SHRED]

"Reduce government"
"Eliminate regulations"
"Government is the problem"

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Get everyone to hate their government so that CEO's can run the country and thus eliminate representative Democracy.

Fascist take-over in other words.

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[msongs]

1. lol there u go picking on congress again nt

[polichick]

2. Dems have to be careful not to grow the gov't in order to make the CEOs even richer...

With the bank bailouts (and almost no new regulation), car bailouts, deals with big pharma, etc., it looks like corrupt CEOs are getting the best of both worlds.

[Laelth]

3. It's already fascism, isn't it?

For those who haven't seen it, this Maher interview with Bill Moyers is excellent, and lays out the proof that we already have a fascist state.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qgOG-c0oLE

If Mussolini was right, and fascism is best described as "corporatism," i.e. the merger of business and the state, and if Moyers is right, and we have two political parties who have been completely captured by business interests, then how is this not fascism?

Is not America now a fascist state? Moyers doesn't say this outright, but is that not the logical conclusion of the argument he is making?

:dem:

-Laelth

[mdmc]

8. kick

[girl gone mad]

4. Of course the government is the problem..

when your goal is to control the population and obtain most of the wealth.

[Trillo]

5. Perhaps. Wasn't the U.S. incorporated some time back?

I read something somewhere, some deep legal analysis that I was not able to fully understand. It had something to do with the Federal Reserve, so I'm thinking it may have happened sometime in the 20th century. Admiralty law versus some other kind of law, perhaps common law; so commercial law versus common law, and the Uniform Commercial Code.

My point being that the U.S. government no longer seems run as a democratic republic, but has been taken over by corporate interests. This is seen in an Executive Branch that's grown far too powerful (very much like a CEO, though the direct explicit pay is on the low side, but higher than that of judges and legislators), as well as a legislative branch who, while all are not fully on the take, the "middle" (of a bell curve) is legally lobbied and bribed to the point that their key votes always seem to align with corporates interests.

So I guess I'm not seeing the distinction you're trying to make. The takeover of "democratic-republic" government already happened, and whether its corporatist elements can be peacefully reversed is, at least in my view, still an open question.

100% Debt forgiveness would help.
Money out of politics 100% would help.

[windoe]

6. Corporations

are just fronts for the big families that make up the board of directors, owners, financiers. Rich families have formed monopolies, and are the modern robber barons of our day. I've noticed threads I've posted on not lasting long so maybe I should shut the ef up. :smoke:

[Laelth]

7. When you're right, you're right.

Please keep speaking truth to power.

:toast:

:dem:

-Laelth

[Echo In Light]

9. And so it continues. And so it goes. This is the sole impetus in "privatizing" everything.

Corporations are private tyrannies, and are not held accountable to the public, or, for the most part, at all.