Disband the US Military!

[TheCoxwain]

Found on TPM

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/morselofthought/2009/08/disband-the-us-military.php?ref=reccafe

Government is not the answer. Government is the problem. For years the US military has crowded out private security firms from exercising their rights as Americans. The mere existence of this "Army", "Navy", "Marine Corp", and "Air Force" have threatened the existence of firms run by private citizens like Blackwater and Halliburton. These government programs are so plagued with waste, fraud, and abuse to the American tax payer that they should immediately be disbanded. Isn't it always the case that private citizens will always do better than the government? Why, if they're were no military, private companies and multinational conglomerates could take over the job of defending our country, better, faster, and cheaper. The sheer bureaucracy involved in the military is a slap in the face to the American people. The free market and its invisible hand solves all. It's not like these private companies would try and fool the American people, or do anything against the interests of the American people! It's the free market and competition will reign supreme! All we have to do is disband the military, and leave it up to private companies to solve Iraq, Afghanistan, and take on that pesky Putin. Kim Jong Il wouldn't stand a chance, and Imadinnerjacket and the I a tolla would instantly fall. Our Second Amendment rights are to protect the citizenry from standing armies formed by the government. A well regulated militia stands to counterbalance the tyrannical forces of the gubment, by empowering its citizenry against a standing army the gubment might choose to use against its people. It's just like healthcare. Say no to public healthcare, say no the US military!

[merh]

1. And the right will happily point out to you that the Constitution

provides for the funding of a military whereas, in their limited thinking, there is no such authority for health care.

And oh boy, talk about putting folks on the unemployment line.

[TheCoxwain]

3. that was meant to be sarcastic ......

[kenfrequed]

4. obviously sarchastic

Well...mostly

[merh]

5. I realize that

just explaining to you how they would respond.

[kctim]

17. There is no Constitutional authority

for govt to provide healthcare, but it does provide a means to make it so.

[TheCoxwain]

18. Constitution guarantees LIFE, liberty and pursuit of Happiness - To us happiness is a good

quality life - free from pain and illness..

[greymattermom]

2. chain emails?

Is there a way to post this on FR or start chain emails among freepers? This and the socialism list should be widely circulated.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

6. Thought this was a troll post when I read the title.

Good idea however using the righties' argument to it's logical extreme.

[jody]

7. First, let's disband police dept. in D.C., Detroit, Chicago, and other crime ridden big cities.

If that solves the crime problem in those places, we can consider disbanding our military.

[Arctic Dave]

8. Why in just the cities, is there no crime in rural areas?

[jody]

9. Because violent crime rates are 894/100k in cities over 250k and decrease to

330/100k in cities under 10k.See http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/data/table_16.html

IMO strident gun-grabber beetles tend to come from large cities and that's a good place to start disbanding law enforcement.

[Arctic Dave]

11. Don't large cities subsidize smaller ones? Let the rural pay for their own.

That would seem the best way to begin. After all with that logic won't more people have guns in the rural areas?
"gun beetle" is this the new slang?

[jody]

12. "Don't large cities subsidize smaller ones?" Don't know but some residents of small cities and rural

areas work in big cities. Their work contributes to big city economies just as states with agriculture, e.g. corn and soy beans, contribute to states with concentrations of industry.

Interesting question, do you have any stats showing that big cities subsidize small cities?

[ieoeja]

13. It's a pretty good bet those rural highways were paid with city taxes.

I grew up on a farm. Spent the past quarter century in Chicago. So I know both pretty well.

I know eliminating firearms on the farm is impractical where the nearest cop may be half an hour or further away. Conversely, I know police response to a serious call in Chicago is typically less than 45 seconds which is why the elimination of firearms seems like a fine idea to city folk.

I also know that the carrying of firearms was originally eliminated in Chicago when Blacks started carrying firearms to protect themselves ... from the police! I know racism still plays two major parts in keeping firearms illegal.

I know I'm getting tired of writing, "I know," so I am going to stop. You know?

Part 1a - when a White man fended off a home invader with a firearm, he was hailed a hero, and the NRA rushed to Illinois to push for liberalizing gun laws. About two weeks later a middle-class, middle-aged Black man did exactly the same thing. The NRA campaign ended and the immediate assumption was that the man must have been involved in something criminal (he wasn't). As long as Black people are going to be treated like that when they use a firearm in self-defense, they are not going to support liberalizing gun laws.

Part 2a - every time I have told a White, suburban gun supporter that half a million Black men within 30 miles of where he lives agrees with him and would LOOOOOVE to carry a firearm legally, the White, suburban gun supporter stops arguing in favor of gun rights. As long as suburban White people don't want city Black people to have the same gun rights they do, they are not going to support liberalizing gun laws in the city.


Further to that part 1a, while the Black man in that scenario was ultimately treated fairly well by the police, in a city where three Black people were killed in one year by the police for pulling out a cell phone, how do you think Chicago cops are going to respond to Black people carrying firearms? When we talk about CCW causing a bloodbath in Chicago, we aren't thinking about citizens and criminals going at it. We foresee the CPD killing a hundred innocent-but-armed Black people a year.

And remember, the cops are ALWAYS right. The victim did have a gun after all.

[jody]

14. It's a pretty good bet those rural highways were used to transport all the food eaten by residents

in cities. :shrug:

[Arctic Dave]

19. This one of the more coherent site out there that I found.

http://ask.metafilter.com/41010/Do-big-cities-subsidize-their-state-or-vice-versa

apperently it's twue.

[jody]

20. Thanks. "87% of the state pays 91% of the taxes" but that 87% could use 91+% percent of state

revenue so it could be Illinois "non-metro areas" subsidizing "metro areas". :shrug:

That's purely hypothetical of course.

[Deja Q]

10. What aspect of government ISN'T bashed?

And what would the bashers put in its place, assuming they bothered to think that far ahead - which I doubt...

[anakie]

15. Disband the US Military!

imagine what could be done with the money that would be saved. Maybe drinking water rather than bombs as a way to improve the world.


Peace

[Xenotime]

16. They should be disbanded simply for the terror they have cause around the world.

How do you justify going into home in Iraq and killing innocent women and children? Yet all the videos you see US troops kicking down doors. How is that ethical?!?

[jody]

21. They were following orders from Obama, Bush II, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Carter, ... n/t