Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Germany's car scrapping scheme may have backfired

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:22 PM
Original message
Germany's car scrapping scheme may have backfired
The German government has decided not to renew its car scrapping scheme, citing costs. Yet there are also concerns that instead of being crushed here, many cars are being illegally shipped to Africa.

In an effort to stimulate consumer spending, the German government has provided a scrap bonus of 2,500 euros ($3,570) for two million old cars this year. On Monday, Germany announced it would not extend the subsidy, which has proved extremely popular.

Many Germans jumped at the chance to replace old cars with new ones. But instead of being crushed here, as planned by the program, many cars end up in Africa.

The German police association Bund Deutscher Kriminalbeamter (BDK) has been bombarded with press interview requests ever since it estimated earlier this month that since January at least 50,000 cars have been exported illegally, after their owners had been granted the scrap bonus.

<SNIP>

Five billion euros lost

If the bottom line is that the German government's environmental bonus stimulates the export of old cars, the environment may benefit very little. "With that program five billion euros are going down the drain," said spokeswoman Ulrike Fokken of the Deutsche Umwelthilfe, an environmental organisation in Berlin. "It is an old problem that Germany dumps its garbage in Africa," she added.

Scrapper Gottfried Höll laughs off the environmental justification, even for those cars that are demolished in Germany in line with the scheme. Before they are crushed all the parts can be removed, including the old engine, to live a second life in Europe. Or elsewhere.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4594661,00.html


About 3 times the cars and over 2 times the money compared with the US plan. In a lot smaller country.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:27 PM
Response to Original message
1. Yeah, what exactly does happen to US cars that are traded in under the C4C program?
Does the government mandate how they are to be disposed of? Or is it left totally up in the air, which is a recipe for fraud and abuse?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. They mandate exactly how they kill and crush them.
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 11:33 PM by Pirate Smile
Video http://blog.caranddriver.com/video-how-a-clunker-is-killed/ - Doesn't show the crushing part, just the killing of the engine.

A company in my city makes the solution so they are very busy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. The engines are killed.
The vehicles can still be parted out, aka recycling.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:48 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. Are there auditors or inspectors that determine that the engines have been destroyed
Or is this all based on just that the correct paperwork has been filed?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TwixVoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 12:01 AM
Response to Reply #4
5. No of course not
do you have any idea how many people would have to be involved to actually audit this?

It is all based on car dealers being HONEST on the paper work. Talk about fox and the hen house...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:52 AM
Response to Reply #5
6. There's always a flaw.
Some folks complain that they cannot find a perfect diamond, or the best cup of tea, or a perfect day.

Wabi-Sabi.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 05:06 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. I've had a few perfect days
The day my wife said "yes" was pretty good.

I'm sure I've had one or two others... but that one sticks out :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri May 03rd 2024, 04:02 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC