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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:12 PM
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Tom Ridge verifies what Dean said in 2004. Bush played terrorism trump card..."out comes Tom Ridge"
In Ridge's new book he is apparently making it clear that the raising and lowering of the terror alerts were political.

I remember that interview on August 1, 2004. Wolf Blitzer was interviewing Howard Dean on CNN.

From the CNN transcript August 1, 2004.

Governor Dean, thanks very much for joining us.

And I want to immediately get your reaction to both of these developing stories. First, the decision by the federal government, the Department of Homeland Security, to increase the threat level here in Washington, D.C., from yellow to orange, from elevated to high. What do you make of this?

HOWARD DEAN, FORMER GOVERNOR OF VERMONT: It's hard to know what to make. None of us outside the administration have access to the intelligence, which led to this determination.

I am concerned that every time something happens that's not good for President Bush he plays this trump card, which is terrorism. His whole campaign is based on the notion that "I can keep you safe, therefore at times of difficulty for America stick with me," and then out comes Tom Ridge.

It's just impossible to know how much of this is real and how much of this is politics, and I suspect there's some of both in it.


BLITZER: Well, when you say that, that's a very serious allegation, that the federal government, Tom Ridge, the president of the United States, may be playing politics with the whole issue of fear and terror threat levels. And I want you to explain specifically, so there's no confusion, what you mean by that.

DEAN: What I mean by that is the president himself has played politics with it. The president is basing his political campaign for re-election on the notion that he ought to be re-elected because terrorism is a danger, and his case to the American people is, "I'm the only person who can get us through this." So of course this is politics.


Blitzer as much as said he was making serious allegations, and he was.

Today Glenn Greenwald is going after Marc Ambinder at the The Atlantic for trying to rationalize his feelings back then. Ambinder was critical of "the left" for thinking the terror alerts were political.

Fringe leftist losers: wrong even when they're right

Just as is still commonly said about opponents of the Iraq War (even though they were right, they were still wrong and unSerious because their motives were bad), Ambinder acknowledges that Bush critics were right that the terror alerts were being manipulated for political ends (he has no choice but to acknowledge that now that Ridge admits it), but still says journalists like himself were right to scorn such critics "because these folks based their assumption on gut hatred for President Bush, and not on any evaluation of the raw intelligence." As always: even when the dirty leftist hippies are proven right, they're still Shrill, unSerious Losers who ever decent person and "journalist" scorns.

Ambinder's belief that there is nothing other than blind "Bush hatred" that could have justified such a belief -- and his accompanying self-defense that journalists like him had no way of knowing any of this -- is patently false.


Glenn also remembers what Dean said at the time. He remembers that once again he was proved right. He also remembers that the attacks on him were devastating.

Indeed, so strong was the stigma against those who said such things that Josh Marhsall felt compelled to insert this qualifier into the first paragraph of his column: "Now, I'm a respectable columnist. I don't want to draw rolled eyes. But think about it." And in 2004, after Howard Dean argued that the Bush administration was raising the terrorist alerts for political purposes, John Kerry proved his Seriousness by attacking Dean for making such an irresponsible claim.

..."That was because, as Atrios suggested, anyone like Dean who uttered such a suggestion was demonized as being among "the less stable among us," as right-wing war reporter Michael Totten put it in 2004, who proudly noted that "Kerry dismissed Dean's ravings the way a picnicker treats a fly buzzing around his barbecued chicken." An incredulous Chris Matthews interviewed Dean in 2004 about his accusations and could barely refrain from mocking Dean in every question.


Even Tom Ridge blasted Dean's words back then.

Even the very same Tom Ridge, in 2004, lambasted those who made such a suggestion:

The AP also reports that Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge "spent a second day Wednesday defending the warnings, which came on the heels of the Democratic National Convention and drew attention from the presidential campaign of nominee John Kerry. 'I categorically state that the none of the terror threats are politically motivated,' Mr. Ridge said." Ridge also granted an extensive interview to CNN's Newsnight With Aaron Brown, in which he addressed the charges that the Administration was playing politics, saying, "I regret that there's an inference that this kind of public revelation of information is. . .political. It clearly was not and it never will be."


Glad to see Dean was right again, was not buried under the piles of BS every time he spoke. Glad to see he is trying hard to get real health care reform.

Tom Ridge does not appear to be denying it now.

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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:16 PM
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1. Excellent post! Thank you.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:18 PM
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2. Thank you, most welcome. I see Greenwald had the same feelings about this.
How anyone who spoke the truth was crushed during the 8 year reign of Dubya.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:19 PM
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3. I would equate a terror alert
to a child getting an F on a report card. The administration was telling us through the alert that they were failing to do their job. But rove knew the lemmings would lap it up
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:30 PM
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4. Good comparison.
They were failing. They manipulated. It's all they knew to do.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 06:23 PM
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11. I would equate it to yelling "FIRE!" in a theater - creating panic in some areas.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:40 PM
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5. Ho-hum, nothing here so let's move on: anyone with a modicum of knowledge/lick of sense sensed this
playing the terror card for partisan political purposes. :P
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 05:27 PM
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7. We knew, but the media was in denial They punished those who spoke out.
But we knew.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 04:27 PM
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6. Hardball today, Matthews discussing the terror alerts and Ridge's book.
He is talking to Isokoff and Jim Moran. He seems to have forgotten his contemptuous interview with Dean over the terror alerts.

From Glenn Greenwald's article today linked in the OP:

An incredulous Chris Matthews interviewed Dean in 2004 about his accusations and could barely refrain from mocking Dean in every question:

MATTHEWS: But what you’re saying here, Governor, is that there’s a political brain somewhere in the administration which directs people like Tom Ridge and people like Ashcroft to exploit whatever info they have got to try to make it easier on the president for reelection, that someone is directing this timing? . . .

MATTHEWS: Are you saying that there’s a political mind behind that, that is stirring these things up in a time the Democrats are trying to get some lift?

DEAN: We don’t know that, Chris, but what we do know is there’s a very disturbing pattern of...

MATTHEWS: Right, well, you sound like you’re... You do sound, Governor, like you do know. You’re not -- you’re acting like you are just speculating here out loud, when in fact you’re -- it’s almost like push-polling. You’re saying, “Could it be?” rather than just, “I’m thinking about these things” . . .

MATTHEWS: But is there any evidence that the administration is timing these releases of information to benefit themselves politically? Is there any evidence of that?




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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 05:34 PM
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8. Dean did not back down. A few days later he reiterated his claims.
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 05:36 PM by madfloridian
"In his interview Wednesday on CNN, Dean was unbowed -- and unrepentant.

"If it took three weeks for them to get this information, then they're not doing their job protecting the United States of America," Dean said, pointing to the fact that Khan was arrested in mid-July.

"There's one of two possibilities here. One, we need a new president so we can really take care of intelligence needs and the defense of the United States of America against terrorism. Or two, they're playing politics with their timing of the release of these documents," Dean said.

Dean said he does not believe "that the threat of terrorism is an empty threat" and that it was appropriate to take security precautions at financial institutions, which according to the information captured from Khan were meticulously surveyed by al Qaeda operatives, sources said.

Pointing to the Bush administration's admission that the surveillance activity stretched back to before 9/11, Dean said, "We're still dealing with old stuff."

http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/08/20/color-coded-con-job/

Read the article...they really went after him.

Lieberman:

"Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut went so far as to say "nobody in their right mind" would believe that Bush would "scare people for political reasons."

Dean continued:

""In the last two days since I made this charge, they've been covering their you-know-what's and trying to come up with additional information," Dean said on CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360."
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 06:15 PM
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9. Good post....Democrats need to hammer this into Americans' brains over and over again!
And then these bastards need to answer for their war crimes and the deaths of thousands of Americans (including the 2900 in the WTC) and who knows how many Iraqis.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 06:18 PM
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10. Agreed.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 06:45 PM
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12. Manson Family co-conspirator lies about their involvement in Sharon Tate murder,
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 07:07 PM by aint_no_life_nowhere
does nothing to alert the authorities of the events that are about to take place, actively participates in the conspiracy, helps to cover it up, beats the rap, and then profits from it all in a tell-all-book where they express remorse, admitting that they were the very person who carried out the deed and plunged the knife, but did it "under pressure". How would people feel about that?
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:35 PM
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13. K&R
:kick:
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:48 PM
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14. We all knew he was right, now everyone knows.
To Howard Dean, who always calls it for what it is. :toast:

Julie
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:24 PM
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15. Exactly right, Julie.
Glad Glenn remembered as well. Too often both parties have kicked out their truth tellers.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 11:15 AM
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16. Greenwald's Update #6...Tucker Carlson called Dean berserk. Ridiculed Kerry
Fringe leftist losers: wrong even when they're right

"UPDATE VI: Tucker Carlson -- at the height of the August, 2004, controversy triggered by Howard Dean's accusation that the Bush administration manipulated terror alerts for political gain -- labeled those who believed the alerts were being exploited for political purposes as "insane conspiracy nuts" and said: "what they really need is psychological help, obviously." Separately, Carlson said that Dean had gone "berserk" and demanded that the Kerry campaign repudiate Howard Dean for suggesting that this was the case. I've emailed Carlson and asked him:

In light of Tom Ridge's belief that this is exactly what happened -- that, as the official responsible for assessing terrorist threats, he was pressured to raise the terrorist threat alert in order to benefit Bush's re-election campaign (something he also strongly suggested in 2005 after he resigned) -- do you still believe that? Or do you merely now believe Ridge to be one of the berserk, insane conspiracy nuts in need of psychological help?

I'll post any reply I receive"


Glenn also links to the CNN transcript from August 5, 2004.

Crossfire transcript 2004

"CARLSON: Well, Howard Dean has lost control of himself again.

(LAUGHTER)

CARLSON: Eight months after his Iowa meltdown, it look looks like this time, the former Vermont governor needs to check his dosage. Last night, Dean took the airwaves to charge once again that the Bush administration is hyping the terror threat for political gain, as if al Qaeda is merely an invention of Karl Rove.

Well, even the Kerry campaign isn't reckless enough to agree with this in public. They promptly issued a statement confirming that, yes, al Qaeda is in fact real.

(LAUGHTER)

CARLSON: But they did not disavow Howard Dean, who is still working as a surrogate for the campaign. In other words, Kerry adviser goes berserk. Kerry doesn't have the courage to do anything about it.

Now, remember, John Kerry is the man who is going to win back our allies, so he says. But it's not likely, because, if you can't control Howard Dean, you are probably not going to be able to control France.

(LAUGHTER)

(APPLAUSE)

(CROSSTALK)"


Let us know if you hear back from Carlson, Mr. Greenwald. Crossfire played a huge role in giving Bush power by tearing down our Democrats.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 01:20 PM
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17. Ha ha. Really good post from FDL..
http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/lets-see-who-else-owes-howard-dean-an-apology-today/

"Bill O'Reilly:

Howard Dean came out, and said, oh, the terror alert's a phony thing, like he knows anything. Like where did you get your intelligence, Howard, Ben & Jerry? Like Dean knows anything. What an irresponsible jerk.

Jim Turner:

CARLSON: In other words, Bush is making up the terror threat for his -- for political advantage. Is this the position of the John Kerry campaign? And, if not, why is this character speaking for the campaign?

REP. JIM TURNER (D), TEXAS: That's not the position of the Kerry campaign. In fact, I heard John Kerry just a few minutes ago disavow what Howard Dean said about the recent alert.

James Carville:

I want to first say I'm in the John Kerry- Jim Turner camp here...But I want you, because you know this, to assure these Democrats and help convince me that they're not doing this (politicizing terror alerts) because of the disastrous economic news and the disastrous news from coming overseas to try to protect themselves. I don't think they would do that."

More at the link, including Joe Trippi.




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Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 11:15 PM
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18. nice report madFL. rec.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 11:50 PM
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19. Thanks. I remember watching that interview. Dean was blasted for days.
Just as bad as when he said the world was no safer with Saddam captured. Well, not quite as bad. All the other presidential candidates jumped him then.
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Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 02:30 PM
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22. I remember too. MSM may never recover from those propaganda rag days.
I remember gradual reduction then shutting off Fox to never return...
as they made clear 'propaganda rag' for the right wing was their
primary agenda.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 11:59 PM
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20. k&r
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 12:01 AM
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21. Bush / Cheney / Rummy /Condi / etc crapping in their pants...the dike has been pierced
THIS HAS POTENTIAL OF KILLING THE GOP

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 02:32 PM
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23. i think cheney/bu$h* knew what a complete clusterfuck they were leaving behind
Edited on Sat Aug-22-09 02:33 PM by spanone
and knew that any administration dealing with the collapse of damned near everything would have any desire or ability to investigate them.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 02:46 PM
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24. great point
And very similar to Nixon and Carter.

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