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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:08 PM Original message |
Dennis Kucinich: The Public Option Is Dead. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
1. I hope he's wrong. Feingold and Dean and other Dems are still pushing hard. |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
20. How does he know? It feels like it's not settled yet. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:32 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I agree. And I hate that, rather than be a leader and push the centrist to get on board, he takes a |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:51 PM Response to Reply #22 |
58. DK is anything but a defeatist. He's a fighter,. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. To quote the man himself: "If the matter were not so serious, it would be farcical." |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #64 |
124. maybe... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:39 PM Response to Reply #64 |
129. Please see Post 55. Also, saying it's dead can mobilize people who really want it, but |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:42 PM Response to Reply #129 |
131. Who are you calling "negative AND dishonest"? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:07 PM Response to Reply #131 |
156. Just to be clear. I never called any person negative and dishonest. I called Obama's |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 02:51 AM Response to Reply #156 |
283. Gibbs just said "Things haven't changed.The president supports a public option" |
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katty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #58 |
309. he has always been a fighter |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
147. Nice to see your comments in a Kucinich thread again, somethings |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #147 |
153. Who the fuck are you? Do you keep a spreadsheet or something? |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #153 |
159. Must have struck a nerve...carry on :) n/t |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:09 PM Response to Reply #159 |
161. Stalk much? |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #161 |
315. Not at all, I just remember your comments from the primaries, your |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #147 |
230. Oh yeah? I'm not a Kucinich supporter and he's absolutely right on this one. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
241. I'd say he's a realist. He's never been wrong on a major issue |
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Tunkamerica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 12:53 AM Response to Reply #241 |
270. +1 but I haven't quite given up |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 06:07 AM Response to Reply #22 |
291. Yeah, You Know More About What's Going On in Congress Than Dennis Kucinich. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:50 PM Response to Reply #20 |
55. Do you think, with all his years in Congress, he may have a better "feel" for the chances of a bill |
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islandmkl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
2. seems you can't see the paradox: |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. You don't politely ask for change. That's not how change happens. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Why I said we need a few civil disobedience, including strikes |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:26 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Oh yeah. An indefinite general strike would be incredibly good. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. The last one was in 1952 |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
76. So few people have jobs anymore, would anyone notice a general strike? It's |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #76 |
91. Oh for petes sake the unemployment rate is nowhere close to fifty or sixty |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #91 |
106. Not much for humor or hyperbole, huh? And I thought I was too literal. (I am, |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #106 |
135. Tradition is the excuse because strikes were done |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #135 |
149. Ok, cancel tradition, or at least modify it to "Not our tradition within the memory |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:00 PM Response to Reply #149 |
211. The memory, or rather lack of it, is part of our educational system |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:18 PM Response to Reply #211 |
217. May I ask how you learned of those national strikes during the Bush years/ |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:23 PM Response to Reply #217 |
222. It was word of mouth, some of us even posted it here |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:34 PM Response to Reply #222 |
228. I love Buffet, but I was miffed when he decided to give his money to |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #228 |
231. That is also part of the problem |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #231 |
251. What do you think of boycotts instead of strikes? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #251 |
255. My only pause on that woudl be the healthy person |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 12:36 AM Response to Reply #255 |
266. I'm very sorry to hear about your dad |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 12:44 AM Response to Reply #266 |
269. Dad recovered and they had saved enough that |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 03:59 AM Response to Reply #269 |
286. I am glad to hear your dad recovered. But what a shame |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:14 PM Response to Reply #135 |
215. Who cares what "tradition" is, anyway? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #215 |
223. It staretd well before Reagan |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:01 PM Response to Reply #223 |
240. Yes, but Reagan finished it. (n/t) |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:15 PM Response to Reply #240 |
246. To me it hasn't finished |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:42 PM Response to Reply #215 |
233. Ah, yes. I was trying to get home from Greece just as the air traffic controllers' strike began. Be- |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
66. "Loud voices is {sic} not how the score is kept?" Tell that to everyone caving into the screamers |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #66 |
115. +10 |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #115 |
171. So, my beef is, how come Democrats don't organize and know how to fight? |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #171 |
183. The right-wing beat the fight out of most "mainstream" Democrats |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:04 PM Response to Reply #183 |
192. Well, then, shame on them/us. But, I'm not sure that's it. Or the whole story. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:19 PM Response to Reply #192 |
218. We lost the South because LBJ stood on principle. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #218 |
232. Not exactly overnight. It was over a period of years, but I agree with everything else. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:44 PM Response to Reply #171 |
186. Not to mention Civil-Rights organizers. But then, we have a community-organizer in the WH. From |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:08 PM Response to Reply #186 |
193. Looking a lot less organized and effective now than he did on the |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 02:48 AM Response to Reply #171 |
281. Dems are not unified. They are 2 factions: Conservadems; and Progressives |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 02:48 AM Response to Reply #281 |
282. Conservadems do the bidding of the corporations just like republicans do |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
3. Quitter. |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. +1 nt. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. +2 |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. +3 |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
32. + Why the fuck isn't Dennis hitting the MSM shows to make his fucking point? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:38 PM Original message |
divide through failure - DK's motto |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
155. LOL! possibly the funniest unintentional irony written today. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #32 |
98. He is not under contract unlike some other people who are on TV |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #98 |
119. Bingo! He doesn't get Pat Buchanan-like time, that's for sure. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #119 |
184. Even the liberal media, such as Olbermann, barely had time for Kucinich |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:58 PM Response to Reply #32 |
148. Do you think he just picks up the phone and books himself on the shows? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #148 |
174. Remember what they did to Dean? Took that yelp and put it on a loop for |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 09:40 AM Response to Reply #174 |
302. Exactly. |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #32 |
152. Dennis isn't invited on the MSM shows. nt |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 06:56 AM Response to Reply #152 |
298. True enough, and on one hand, that's owing to his predisposition |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #298 |
308. Well, you're no doing it either. nt |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 08:21 PM Response to Reply #308 |
313. You might be surprised who's doing what. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:45 PM Response to Reply #32 |
188. Because one doesn't invite one's self onto these shows? |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #32 |
324. He was on Ed Schultz's MSNBC show a couple of days ago. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
38. +5 |
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azmouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
42. +6 |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
47. +7 |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
69. DK is anything but a quitter. If this were Obama, eveyone would be saying he has a plan within a |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. The real quitters are the DLC types |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:01 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. DK was elected to fight for Democratic values, and he's quitting the health care fight. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #78 |
90. I don't think DK is quitting, but, if he is, he'll have lots of company in high places. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #78 |
120. He's not quitting the health care fight. |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #120 |
163. Honestly I don't know what DK is going to do tomorrow. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #163 |
224. the fuck he is ..he is the only one telling the damn truth! wake the fuck up! eom |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:23 PM Response to Reply #78 |
221. seems to me DK is trying to wake people up to the reality of the bullshit they have been force fed |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #221 |
249. Good post. Thanks for being a truth-teller. (n/t) |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 01:34 AM Response to Reply #221 |
278. Some of us aren't quite run off yet, despite efforts to the contrary. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #73 |
83. Broadbrush asshat attack |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. Then he should retract his statement. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #75 |
113. Palin resigned from her job. DK did not, so there's no comparison. When he tries to |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #113 |
116. Quitting is quitting in my book |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #116 |
123. Except when it's Obama saying the public option is only a sliver? |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:47 PM Original message |
Obama is 100% behind the public option and always has been. |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
150. except he keeps saying |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #150 |
180. I don't care if he calls it a petunia, as long as he says he won't sign a bill without it. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
154. Same for Dennis, difference being Dennis never tried to convince his people |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:09 PM Response to Reply #154 |
162. Obama said in July that he will veto any bill without a strong public option. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #162 |
182. No, I didn't. On another thread, I asked you 3 or 4 times for a link to a direct quote from Obama |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:34 PM Response to Reply #182 |
204. Crickets again. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #162 |
227. gee you need to tell the Philly news networks that , because Sunday night they were |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #227 |
258. Before she tells anyone else, I think she should find the quote, don't you. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 12:00 AM Response to Reply #258 |
259. They never do..it is all talking points..and wash, rinse , and repeat.. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
189. Time will tell. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #189 |
190. Not necessarily. If a bill gets to him that does have a public option, after all, |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
237. Greg Palast says the same thing..guess he is a quitter as well eh? |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #116 |
226. is that your new talking point about anyone who calls out the truth?????? thought so! eom |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
77. Maybe if Oprah had backed him instead of Obama |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. WTF? |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #82 |
102. alerting what? |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. My quitter remark was 100% genuine and not a snark. |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #108 |
127. double bullshit. |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #127 |
133. I'm 100% anti-status quo RE: health care reform.. |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #133 |
160. wait a minute... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:29 PM Response to Reply #133 |
201. Oh, please. Oprah is popular and influential. Anything she recommends, be it |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:10 PM Response to Reply #127 |
194. That would be the truth. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:20 PM Response to Reply #108 |
199. WTF? |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #102 |
117. Yeah, like when he was all anti-abortion, right? |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #117 |
145. NARAL gives him 100% now. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:01 PM Response to Reply #145 |
151. Oh, I am very glad he changed his stance and I don't "hate" him. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:04 PM Response to Reply #117 |
212. a principled stance does not mean a liberal stance, only that you stand by your |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 06:34 AM Response to Reply #212 |
293. If you want to be a cheerleader for a guy with a repulsive anti-choice history, that's your |
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suzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 01:24 AM Response to Reply #293 |
321. * |
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suzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 01:21 AM Response to Reply #117 |
320. Sssshhh. You're not supposed to mention that. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #77 |
92. anus? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:16 PM Response to Reply #92 |
196. Oprah was very influential in helping Arnold become Governor of California by |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #196 |
203. Oprah, queen of promoting evil candidates who cause much suffering |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:39 PM Response to Reply #203 |
206. I guess you don't get it do you. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:46 PM Response to Reply #196 |
234. and tweety drooling all over himself for the gropenator! Remember folks.. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #77 |
304. people who sniff household cleaners say some stupid shit. |
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Parker CA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
104. +8 |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
112. +9 |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
200. +10 |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #200 |
236. Demanding forfeiture? DK is still backing the public |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 05:58 AM Response to Reply #3 |
288. Deleted message |
saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 06:50 AM Response to Reply #3 |
296. The best I'd say about Kucinich's remarks on this needed and long-awaited |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
4. K&R The man doesn't lie. |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
5. The problem with Dennis is that he's too honest. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. there's some scholarly study showing that pols who promise hope and pie in sky are |
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FatDave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
54. No, the reason he can't get elected is that he's funny looking. |
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suzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
323. Sorry, the actual problem is that he's the most dishonest Congressperson on the Democratic side. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
6. "The masquerade is over! The "public option" is ... dead." I need to mark this post so that later |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #6 |
101. The "Public Option like Medicare" that Obama campaigned on... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:16 PM Response to Reply #101 |
216. Oh BS |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 12:41 AM Response to Reply #101 |
267. It's now essentially a PUBLIC profit protection OPTION |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
7. He's utterly and completely unelectable. |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
31. Yep, love his ideas, but marrying who he did really was the last straw for me. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #31 |
207. Maybe he married her because he loved her. Why would that be a mistake again? |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #207 |
225. Sorry, but it's my opinion, right or wrong, and it ain't changing. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:01 PM Response to Reply #225 |
239. I never said you said it. I said "You seem to assume." So, not the one who needs to go back and |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
8. I have nothing but disgust for Barack Obama right now. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Ditto. The honeymoon is over. |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. +1 |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:41 PM Response to Reply #15 |
254. +1 |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
139. +1 |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
209. I am willing to wait to see what happens before I go that far. But he is not what I hoped. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
10. I said this in the morn and was attacked for it |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Yep, the charade is over. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. The AFL-CIO has also threatened to sit the election out |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:32 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Yep, and the sides are not "Republican and Democrat." |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. absolutely, and at the risk of being called a Marxist AGAIN |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Yes. |
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FatDave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
62. Yes, but... |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:07 PM Response to Reply #62 |
157. Agreed |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:11 PM Response to Reply #157 |
243. And we have a winnah! |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. The AFL-CIO doesn't think the public option is dead, and they haven't quit |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Here |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. That says nothing about the public option being dead. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. and the exact same threat we have issued |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:47 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. "NO STRONG PO in the bill" There is a strong public option in the bill, but regardless |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #48 |
61. Here is a clue for you |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #61 |
86. Thanks for standing on principle. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #86 |
96. I will go vote, just not for the duopoly |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:08 PM Response to Reply #96 |
213. Please see Reply 210 |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:11 PM Response to Reply #86 |
214. Please see Reply 210. |
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Grinchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 02:56 AM Response to Reply #86 |
284. I'm with you and Nadin on this.. Time to stand on principle |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #61 |
89. "So yes, it is dead. " BS |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #89 |
97. you too have a good day |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #61 |
244. Nadin has always stood for principle and I am damn proud to know her! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:37 PM Response to Reply #27 |
253. Oh, for pity sake. No one quit. A few DUers posting something does not make it so. |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
140. Just keep it in mind that some here are of the body. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
210. Please do not sit it out. May I make some alternative suggestions? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
21. Forget Obama. He will not receive my support in 2012. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. +1 |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #26 |
88. I have stood against mightier opponents than the blind followers on DU. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Kucinich/Edwards |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. 18,000 will die this year because we didn't have that ticket last year. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Oh BS. Edwards wrote the damn IWR. n/t |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. Oh, and he had an affair while his wife was recovering from cancer AND campaigning for POTUS |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:13 PM Response to Reply #52 |
245. Then neither does Bill Clinton or half a dozen Republicans |
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Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. A whole lot more would be |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. The 18,000 refers to health care |
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Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #51 |
197. As it stands now |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:54 PM Response to Reply #45 |
257. Yeah. He probably would have called off any investigations or prosecution of |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:48 PM Response to Reply #28 |
50. ProSense |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:55 PM Response to Reply #28 |
191. One has a love child and the other married someone young enough to be his child |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
37. There's a surprise |
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PufPuf23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #21 |
168. I am still uncertain about Obama and the parameters he is allowed. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
248. ABSOLUTELY!!!!! Thank you!! eom |
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MarjorieG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
30. Because public option not HR676, or Medicare open to all, he's saying none at all. |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
33. ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
41. "If the matter were not so serious, it would be farcical" |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:51 PM Response to Reply #41 |
56. True, but for that to mean anything |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #56 |
67. yup |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
44. Good. Fuck it. Move onto Medicare for All already |
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Hansel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
46. Why didn't we fight to elect this man President? For precisely this reason. |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. +1 |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:51 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. And Feingold and Dean. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:08 PM Response to Reply #57 |
94. And the entire progressive caucus |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:20 PM Response to Reply #57 |
172. Kucinich = Nader... |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #53 |
110. Of course not. It's obvious he has another agenda and |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #46 |
59. The shark has certainly been jumped |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 01:31 AM Response to Reply #59 |
277. Turns out some of us were right: he was raising money |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #46 |
63. +3 |
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TxRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:10 PM Response to Reply #46 |
242. And he obviously hasn't read the house bill. HR3200 |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:26 PM Response to Reply #242 |
250. Disagree as to HR 3200's public option being meaningful. As for pre-existing |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 06:11 AM Response to Reply #46 |
292. Yeah, KUCINICH Is the One Sabotaging Health Care. |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
49. You've certainly brought out the DLCers on this thread. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. Kucinich always draws them out |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. They do, indeed. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Should I really bait them wih the N one? |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #68 |
87. You want to endorse Nader on DU? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:13 PM Response to Reply #87 |
99. See the hook worked. |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #60 |
74. Not hate just tired of his constant grandstanding. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #74 |
128. And trying to garner more support in hopes of |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #49 |
81. +30 (-1) and oodles of whiners |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 01:36 AM Response to Reply #81 |
279. You'd think they'd leave someone who was fighting so hard for a meaningful public option |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
70. The media did not label Dennis unelectable, Dennis labeled himself that way.. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:01 PM Response to Reply #70 |
79. Bizarre? Is this a new way to do this? |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. Off-line?? I'm off-line? Hehe.. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 12:02 AM Response to Reply #84 |
260. Yes. Mildly amusing. But I bet some of your posts would be |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #70 |
105. Yes. Of the People, by The People, and For the People.... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 12:07 AM Response to Reply #105 |
261. Oh, honey, it doesn't scare them a bit. They so much when they hear it, they almost wet |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
71. I fought for him but he dropped out before I could vote for him. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #71 |
93. Yes, if he'd stayed in he might have lost his seat |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #93 |
111. And he doesn't lack substance |
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CrawlingChaos (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #71 |
136. Remember how he was shut out of the debates? Disgraceful (nt) |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #136 |
164. And when he was allowed to debate, they swiftboated him |
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CrawlingChaos (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:24 PM Response to Reply #164 |
175. Ugh, you're right |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #175 |
178. Never noticed that, but not surprised. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
72. k&r for the Honorable Dennis Kucinich. n/t |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
80. Many of us did fight. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
85. As usual, he's up front and honest about it. |
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MzNov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
95. Is Pelosi starting to strong-arm the Progressives again? |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
100. knr nt |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
103. Could he be suggesting that a STRONG public option is dead? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 12:14 AM Response to Reply #103 |
262. I think he is suggesting that a meaningful public option is dead. The OP |
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jannyk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
107. k&r |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
109. Quitter! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 12:58 AM Response to Reply #109 |
271. Please see Reply 253. |
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AnOhioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
114. The haters on this thread made me thing I was another board |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #114 |
118. DLCers turn every Kucinich thread into a flame war. |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #118 |
125. That is not true at all. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 12:16 AM Response to Reply #125 |
264. Yes, And then call him a dick and imply he's erratic because he's losing his marbles. |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #125 |
265. Hoisted on your own petard |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:32 PM Response to Reply #118 |
252. That is exactly true!!!!!!!!!!! correct 100%! The DLC'ers hate the truth being exposed! eom |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #118 |
303. They've been paid to since day 1. And this "Waterloo" comment is meant to brand US as the villians. |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #114 |
122. I don't hate DK, but I do think he made a big mistake with this letter. |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #122 |
126. Won't make a big difference IMO; it appears the progressive caucus will stick together |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #126 |
130. It makes a difference because it tells people to throw in the towel. |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #130 |
132. Well, I didn't take it that way |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #132 |
138. I don't think it was a trial balloon statement. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #138 |
141. On a larger note, this just goes back to the root problem: The Democrats cannot coordinate their |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #141 |
144. I completely agree, here |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #138 |
142. I think Sebelius's statement was at least |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #142 |
167. Yeah, single-payer is what DK is all about |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:20 PM Response to Reply #130 |
198. Not necessarily. It could tell people "If you want this--and here's why you should |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:15 PM Response to Reply #122 |
195. Do tell! Who said "Fuck you, DK" and "DK is a flaming douche..."? |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #195 |
263. SNAP !!! |
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chascarrillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 03:01 AM Response to Reply #114 |
285. So, when he was anti-abortion, you were anti-abortion? And when he changed his mind, you did too? |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
121. we'll see. i've come this far, i'm waiting till the fucking fat lady sings.... |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #121 |
134. Dang, we need some pictures to go with that image! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
137. The conventional wisdom is that you don't fight for a candidate who |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:17 PM Response to Reply #137 |
169. What's the difference between "reform" without a public option |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 01:09 AM Response to Reply #169 |
272. McCain would not have done anything about health care, if he could |
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obliviously (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
143. I want them to scrap the whole thing |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 06:01 AM Response to Reply #143 |
289. obama and the rest are so corrupt, nothing remotely just will come from them |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
146. Dennis Kucinich is worthy of the Presidency. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:07 PM Response to Reply #146 |
158. of Ohio. n/t |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #158 |
166. I'm not sure if he could win a state wide election, it might have to be of Cleveland |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #166 |
170. Yes, because only centrist corporate shills and lukewarmn sellouts |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:22 PM Response to Reply #170 |
173. I don't think that is true |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:29 PM Response to Reply #173 |
177. I meant in presidential elections. (n/t) |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #177 |
181. OK - John Kerry nearly won in a year that a win would have been an upset |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:40 PM Response to Reply #177 |
185. I'm all for Dennis as President |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 06:47 AM Response to Reply #166 |
295. Agree. Kucinich has withstood primary challenges in his Congressional |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:38 PM Response to Reply #158 |
205. He had to scramble to keep his seat last election. |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #146 |
165. Agree; maybe someday |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #146 |
176. he da man |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:31 PM Response to Reply #146 |
179. No, he's an awesome opposition leader and free-speaker, but he's NOT Presidential material |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 08:45 PM Response to Reply #179 |
187. That happens to a lot of presidents. |
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Kingofalldems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
202. I see the blue dog republican stepped in to trash Kucinich---- |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
208. Oh, this was a fundraising message. The rest here: |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #208 |
247. ALL of his messages are fundraising messages. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 01:20 AM Response to Reply #247 |
274. Actually, as he left the most recent Presidential campaign, he used his remaining |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 01:16 AM Response to Reply #208 |
273. Thanks. Proves he was neither quitting nor encouraging anyone else to quit. |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
219. K&R'd. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
220. Public: The Dennis Kucinich Option is Dead |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:52 PM Response to Reply #220 |
235. +1 |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:59 PM Response to Reply #220 |
238. Then 97% of Democratic voters are corporate-brainwashed |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:46 PM Response to Reply #238 |
256. By corporate sponsored Democratic politicians? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 01:24 AM Response to Reply #256 |
275. Can you name any at the federal level? |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 08:25 AM Response to Reply #275 |
301. Yes |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
229. This isn't helpful |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 01:42 AM Response to Reply #229 |
280. The end of the letter is not in the OP. He was asking for funds to keep fighting. He |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 04:37 AM Response to Reply #280 |
287. Well good then |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 12:43 AM Response to Original message |
268. IF that's true . . . then SS and Medicare will not be protected by these people, either . . .!!! |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 06:05 AM Response to Reply #268 |
290. of course-OBAMA IS A DLC CON MAN WAKE UP |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #290 |
305. ELEVENS I AM BITTER THE TRAVELOCITY GNOME DIDN:T WIN !!11!!!11!!!1!!!! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #290 |
310. Obama either withdrew from it or is in denial that he's DLC . . . |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
276. I was puzzled when I read his email but I support him 100%. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 06:37 AM Response to Original message |
294. I don't see Congressman Kucinich working to forge alliances in |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #294 |
307. and you won't either. he likes to toot his horn, be all self righteous, and accomplish absolutely |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #307 |
316. I'm a defender of Dennis Kucinich but feel he has misread the |
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suzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 01:51 AM Response to Reply #307 |
322. +1 |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #294 |
311. Kucinich and Conyers both have bills for MEDICARE FOR ALL . . . |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #311 |
312. Kucinich can't really be characterized past the point where he's |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 11:45 PM Response to Reply #312 |
317. Kucinich is very clear . . . |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 12:38 AM Response to Reply #317 |
318. Respectfully, his being clear is not at issue, IMO. It is that his being |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #318 |
325. Kucinich is on the sidelines because so many other Dems have no backbone . .. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #325 |
327. I understand the hinge you're using, but I wind up |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 09:34 PM Response to Reply #327 |
329. Who hasn't taken corporate money . . . DLC-corporate wing has pushed that idea . . . |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 10:02 PM Response to Reply #329 |
330. I'm sorry, but you have to live in the real landscape. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #330 |
332. Okay . . . |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 02:37 AM Response to Reply #332 |
334. I wondered how long it would be before you hauled out Ralph Nader. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 01:23 PM Response to Reply #334 |
337. YOU mentioned Ralph Nader . . . I responded . . . |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #337 |
339. Well don't go away mad. Ol' Ralph is a smart guy who also is not |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 12:53 AM Response to Reply #311 |
319. The two approaches can co-exist |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #319 |
326. I think Conyers is specifically MEDICARE FOR ALL - everyone in/no one out ... |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 06:56 AM Response to Original message |
297. No, DK would not have taken this course, which is why corp America deemed him "unelectable" |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 06:58 AM Response to Original message |
299. "Why didn't we fight to elect this man President?" Because the idea of Ron Paul as VP was disturbing |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 07:02 AM Response to Reply #299 |
300. Yeah, this, too. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
306. Why didn't we fight to elect this man President? because we would have lost all 50 states. |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 02:52 AM Response to Reply #306 |
335. I agree. No point in having the best ideas if you cannot sell them to the public. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 08:21 PM Response to Original message |
314. Yeah right |
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jma10131 (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
328. IDK.... |
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midnight armadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
331. Dean/Kucinich 2012! |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
333. I don't believe he is as inside as he might once have been. sounds like sour grapes.. |
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nancy234 (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 07:28 AM Response to Original message |
336. Penny stocks |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
338. Kucinich has zero credibility with me, so whatev. |
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