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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:34 AM Original message |
The public option is DOA... trust me on this |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
1. As in 1994, 'they' have defined the terms and message. nt |
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AspenRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
2. Well, with that optimistic advice, I'll just go slit my wrists now. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. No! You're not covered for that! |
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AspenRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. LOL |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. No go demonstrate before your federal governemnt |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
3. yep. its dead. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
5. Howard Dean does not think it is dead at all but maybe we need to throw him under |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. And he is a member of congress voting on this bill? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #10 |
68. lol. uh, no dear, he's not simply an observer like you. you're inflating |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
6. Deleted message |
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:47 AM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Is this all you have? A personal attack... |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
66. Yes, in the end that is all most have. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Well the hope that we were out of that pickle, at least |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Only if We The People LET them, my friend. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #72 |
85. I know |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
8. What, exactly, qualifies you for the exalted status to be "trusted on this"? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Well don't trust me on this |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #13 |
75. so did the repigs get their way again, sniveling cowards the Dems. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #8 |
16. Absolutely nothing but a shitload of |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #16 |
24. No call to action, and this is exactly how the power strucutre wins |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
70. I find the dystopians fascinating. And going back and reading some of the OP's |
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SoCalNative (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
11. Hmmmm.... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. why did you buy the honda civic? |
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create.peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #15 |
47. an opening for me to recomment 'century of the self' |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Cool, something to watch later |
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create.peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #51 |
71. tell me what you think after you see it! it made sense to me! nt |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #71 |
91. Watching and it fits with all the stuff |
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create.peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. i have been trying to spread it around in my limited sphere, you |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Very much an uphil slog |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
12. bookmarked |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. oh I hope I am wrong too, but the polls this morning |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
79. What polls? n/t |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
17. So you're just gonna give up? Come on Nadin, you're tougher than that. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:52 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. On the democratic party absolutely |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Well, you do know that you can't advocate for a third party here, right? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #26 |
39. I just told you what I am going to do, not who I will advocate for |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Members here are expected to be generally supportive of Democratic candidates. nt |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:15 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. And your point? I forgot, the more radicals have to be run out |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. I have no idea why you have to be so nasty. But that's your problem, not mine. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. You are the one being nasty, and have a nice day you too |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
19. How is it required that the public health option is only paid for by premiums paid by its members? |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #19 |
58. Personally, I would rather pay for health care out of general tax revenues. |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. That's only possible with a single-payer public health care plan |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. But they are not willing to talk of single payer, from the word go |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #64 |
81. Single payer would abolish all the existing health benefit plans, including bargained-for plans |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
20. Why should anyone trust you on this? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Don't trust me then, that is fine, I don't care |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. cause it's hip to play this wierd ass "we're all slaves all is lost omigod ohnoes" shit lately. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #23 |
31. I know that things like civil disobedience are WAY too radical for most americans |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #31 |
55. no, i'm not against civil disobedience, that's a straw man. i'm laughing at people throwing tantrums |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. When was the last time you actually demonstrated? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #62 |
80. to be honest, on the eve of the iraq war. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. That is what it will take in the long run |
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create.peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:50 PM Response to Reply #80 |
95. why no more after that? did you give up?nt |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. there wasn't anything going on local, i don't have the resources to make it to D.C. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #62 |
98. "calling this reality a tanter trantrum" |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #55 |
73. They Thought They Were Free. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
25. when the senate bill exceeded a thousand pages we were fucked. |
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abumbyanyothername (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
27. While I fear you are right on healthcare |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. And that is the same damn point I am making |
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create.peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
96. wow, where do you live that you can get all your food year round from local farmers, and without a |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
28. Real health care reform was dead the moment Congress was allowed to go to August recess... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Well he NEVER promised the public option in the campaign |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #34 |
77. I don't give a flying rat fuck. How the hell did we get into thinking that if it wasn't said during |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #77 |
86. I know, but the point is they are trying to walk back to that point |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:15 PM Response to Reply #28 |
45. Or when they refused to debate single-payer seriously |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #45 |
78. Hey I compromise - I don't have to have the "whole loaf." But PO IS the compromise. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #78 |
87. No. Single-payer is a centrist compromise |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. If what you are saying were true, there would be support for the Public Option in congress. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Its definitely true |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Well, I won't disagree with that. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
29. The public option is currently conscious and may recover |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #29 |
54. But he said yesterday that public option was not essential |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. No, he never said that |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. That quote was run both by KO, and John Stewart, yes, he said that |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. You are wrong. Sebelius said that and has retracted it. They quoted HER. nt |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. They quoted HIM too, yesterday in front of the VFW |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
30. It's DOA... so go demonstrate for it. Send mixed messages much? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. What bullshit, asking people to FIGHT for what they believe in? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. No, the woesy woe Eeyore shit ... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Can you understand the term ALLEGORY? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Can you understand the term IMMATURE? How about LAUGHABLE? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Given that it took labor that many decades to get what they wanted |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #38 |
74. ding, ding, ding. wish I could rec your post a dozen times. |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
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LaPera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
37. Not a fucking chance....it's alive and well! And what bullshit polls is one gullible |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Will see... I want to be wrong, but hell, they have not truly walked back |
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katkat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
40. that's just defeatist talk n/t |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
48. Is there any place on earth that would comply with your idea of freedom, then? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. But some systems are far more open to doing what their populations want |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
56. Yet people keep disregarding the statement about making the same mistake over and over |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. To a point it is human nature... people NEED to believe that THIS TIME |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
67. They choose that I eat veggies from my garden, organic food from the coop |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-19-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #67 |
99. Oh, sure! Claim that you decide for yourself! |
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SeekerBlue (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
76. well |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
82. Oh my! I believe she has the vapors! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Already did, and told them the bill does NOT include a PO, a STRONG PO |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-18-09 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
94. K&R |
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