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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:45 PM
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Micheal Vick's PR team needs to teach him to emote when he says
he feels bad about the way he treated his dogs. It was pretty clear he was saying what he'd been told to say. He didn't show a moment's emotion until he talked about being called "lazy". He seems to lack empathy completely. Really disturbing.
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demmiblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:46 PM
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1. He only cares that he got caught.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:49 PM
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3. Zackly. It was pretty telling that he realized what he had done was wrong
when he was in prison. Really? Never crossed his mind that electrocuting and hanging dogs was a bad thing to do until then? Yeah, now I'm convinced. :eyes:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:49 PM
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2. Yah - therefore his punishment should be beyond the law - because you're not convinced.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:52 PM
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5. He should get a job in a slaughterhouse.
He seems to have a penchant for killing animals.

That way, he could do what he really enjoys, and DUers who worship him would stop whining about how he should be able to have a job he enjoys. It's win-win.

Oh, except that the people who produce your meat don't make millions of dollars. Oh, well. One should consider such things before torturing animals.

Oh, and that interview was done to convince people like me. That was the whole point.

Epic fail.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:56 PM
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10. I agree it's a fail to try to convince people like you.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:49 PM
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4. Didn't see the interview
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 06:49 PM by Bluzmann57
But maybe he just isn't the type of guy who can "emote" the way you'd like him to. Or perhaps you are one of the people who will never forgive him no matter what.
Just an obversation. I could be wrong.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:53 PM
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7. Or maybe I'm the kind of person who can't even imagine what he did to dogs
without tearing up, even though I've never seen, let alone participated in, such horrors.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:53 PM
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8. I've noticed the exact same thing in previous interviews
Thought he came across as totally scripted, devoid of any real remorse for or understanding of the suffering of the animals he tortured and butchered.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:53 PM
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6. you can punish, but you can't force people to "feel"
nor can you necessarily judge internal emotions by outside facial expressions. Actions that back statements will be your only real means of judging. Perhaps you should wait awhile. He served the time he was sentenced to. Isn't your line of work at least partly based on forgiveness?
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:54 PM
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9. Only victims can forgive.
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 06:55 PM by Critters2
I preach empathy constantly. I think it's basic to healthy relationships. But only victims are in a position to forgive what was done to them.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:01 PM
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11. I wonder if the family of the guy Stallworth killed forgive him?
He got 30 days in jail, served less and is a free man after killing another man. He can't play NFL Football for at least a year, but that isn't even the point. I wonder what is wrong with the American justice system when a man who was drunk and driving killed another man. The killer only got 30 days in jail, as already mentioned. And yet, people simply cannot forgive Vick, even though he did his time. I do not condone what Vick did, it was barbaric, but damn, get a grip. Killers of men get less time and more forgiveness than a lot of people are giving Vick.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:06 PM
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15. False dichotomy. I've never said Stallworth should be let off.
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 07:12 PM by Critters2
There's no reason to think there won't be outcry when he returns to football as well. I don't understand the idea of 30 days in jail for that. But I do believe it wasn't intentional, and that makes a difference to me. I've known people who drank too much and got arrested for DUI. None who killed anyone, but I understand how this happens.

Vick intentionally tortured animals over and over again. By no means an accident. That I don't understand.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:04 PM
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13. and only humans judge, formally that is what the law is
knowing dogs, most all would be able to act like pets to the guy if he and they worked with rehabbers.

Dogs evolved and have been selected to suck up to us - so then what are you going to do? They would behave in a manner most typical anthropomorphizing "animal lovers" would (mis)interpret as having forgiven him.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:08 PM
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16. There's no guarantee that there aren't consequences of a crime beyond the formal sentence.
Employers choose every day not to hire felons, and have the right to do so.

AS for the dogs forgiving him...those he murdered will never have the opportunity.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:03 PM
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12. He should pretend he's shilling for shoes or something
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:08 PM
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17. He will be. Give it time.
Right now, he's shilling for the NFL. Other contracts to follow.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:04 PM
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14. he's the kind of person who would treat dogs like that to begin with
so it doesn't surprise me

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:23 PM
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22. For YEARS. nt
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Ghost of Tom Joad Donating Member (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:10 PM
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18. from the part I saw
it seemed to be everybody else's fault. "I saw it growing up" "the cops wouldn't break up a dog fight" and on. It is truly beyond me how anyone can hurt an animal. Dogs give unconditional love and this is how you treat them. What a disgusting human.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:11 PM
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19. +1....and I love your username! nt
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:11 PM
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20. He tortured and killed animals for entertainment. He is broken.
His head is too screwed up to fix him.

With luck he won't be able to be around animals anymore. That's as good as it gets.

Just like sending him to prison benefits society because he is locked away for a while, but it doesn't make him any different. It will be public scrutiny which will have the most effect.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:23 PM
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21. "I feel terrible I often killed dogs with my bare hands." There, that's better. nt
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busybl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:06 PM
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23. he'd still be doing it if he hadn't been caught
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