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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:34 PM
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Whether you were on "this side" or "that side", when it is over, will man up and admit .........
.... you were right or wrong?

Some of us are crying doom and gloom and no public option.

Some of us are saying wait and see and there is every reason to believe things will change significantly.

One of these groups of us will be wrong.

Each of us is in one of these groups.

Will you man up?

I will.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:37 PM
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1. It's unlikely people will agree about whether or not what's implemented is "good"
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 03:37 PM by Political Heretic
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:45 PM
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6. I'm simpy asking one question .......
.... if, when it is signed into law, will you, if you were wrong, admit it?
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:35 PM
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13. There will be no consensus on who was right and who was wrong...
...is my point.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:39 PM
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2. It's not hard to figure out which side is wrong. When you
look at history and the present day situations which perform like a lab experiment, we already know what works and what doesn't. So to champion what doesn't work is either stupid or it is feathering ones own nest at the expense of the majority IMHO.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:46 PM
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7. The question is not who was right or wrong .....
.... the question is .... will those who were wrong admit they were?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:50 PM
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10. I doubt it. They still go on and make the same mistakes over and over again
so why should anything change?
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:40 PM
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3. Nothing being said now counts -
it's all meaningless. Written on water.

There's no bill, just a draft. And there are committees to go through, and the House, and the Senate.

So, all the lamentations, one way or the other, are just vocal exercises, or typing practice.

It's not ripe yet, so anyone can say anything, but it doesn't count.

K&R..................
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:44 PM
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5. Single payer HR676 is finished being written and it gets a debate and floor vote in Sept.
I'm supporting HR676
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:19 PM
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12. It could still be changed -
everything can be changed right up to the vote..............
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:43 PM
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4. As Obama said - we can't come up with a perfect option that requires no money
So people who want free health care for all will be disappointed - someone has to pay - many someones.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:49 PM
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8. The question is not about that. The question is ......
.... when it is all said and done, and it turns out that your prediction was wrong, will you admit it?

That has nothing whatever to do with what you predicted. It has to do only with whether you can admit you were wrong.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:49 PM
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9. Obama is wrong. Single payer would save us money instead of requiring we spend more money.
The CBO is scoring it and it should be out soon enough.

I look forward to seeing it.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:07 PM
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11. I will, too.
I predict that there will be no public option of any value. Anyone reading this is free to rub my nose in it if I am wrong.

I sincerely hope that they get the opportunity to do so.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:55 PM
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14. Yep - I will.
My wife will make me.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:16 PM
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15. Lot of hemming and hawing here.
Not many want to commit.

I will. I'm one of the far left that has been complaining about the direction of the proposed health care reform.

If I'm wrong. I will dance a dance and gladly proclaim my error.

On the other hand if the final signed bill doesn't include a real public option, we have been lied to and had. To make this real let's define "Public Option". I mean a government funded plan, available to all, able to negotiate prices and services from pharma and medical.

My belief is that the bill will not meet any of those conditions but will have some crap they will call a public option. That is the problem with anyone manning up and admitting their error. The phony language in the bill will give Democrats cover to pass and sign, and it will give the wait-and-see crowd cover to yell "I told you so".

Such is politics. As it ever was and ever shall be.
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