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EV_Ares (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:30 PM Original message |
Carville: Let GOP kill health care -- then run against them: What do U DUers Think? |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
1. I wouldn't "let" them. But they better look out if they do manage to bury this effort |
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graywarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Same here. |
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johnfunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Force them to filibuster it by adding one-payer to the bill -- and cue the fat lady for the GOP |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
3. Too many lives will be lost to allow the killing of this to be seen as |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Exactly!! ... It's a trick!!! |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
4. Well, it's an angle |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
5. Spoken like a true millionaire who has great health coverage |
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downeyr (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 12:35 AM Response to Reply #5 |
45. Well, he IS a political pundit. |
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daa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
6. If dems do not deliver on their promise |
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alc (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. hard to pin it on them |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
37. Was health care reform the reason why we lost in 1994 though? |
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daa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 09:06 AM Response to Reply #37 |
49. Well said but there will be no chance to fix |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. I'm in Blue Dog hell here in Indiana |
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daa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 06:47 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. follow up |
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crazy_vanilla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
8. they better not kill it |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
9. With a majority in both chambers of Congress and control of the White House |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
10. Carville is a POS DLC tool. |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #10 |
36. +1 |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
40. and a traitor: |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
12. It's not the Republicans killing health care, it's the Democrats. |
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Blasphemer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
26. Exactly.... we keep the same numbers in Congress and we'll have the same problems |
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Dude_CalmDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
13. Fuck Carville. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
14. no james. That worked out real well back in 93-94. |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
15. If a reform bill fails |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
17. Only works if the GOP was needed for the votes - we need the dems all on board |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
18. Like that really worked well the last time, Baldy. nt |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
19. Republicans simply lack the numbers to credibly claim they could have killed a legislative |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
20. What about all the Blue Dogs doing their best to sink Single Payer? |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
21. absolutely not |
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GreenTea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
22. Fuck that! We NEED fucking health care options desperately NOW-Carville is well covered I'm sure |
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GrantDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
23. With the White House, 60 in the Senate, and a large margin in the House --> |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
24. But they've already run against them and won - despite the now |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
25. this is where the argument loses |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
27. Better than passing a piece of shit with no public option |
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Walk away (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. +1 |
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POAS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
28. Carville gets his kool-aid from Mary Matalin, nuf said. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
30. Because that worked out so well in 1994.... |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
31. I think Carville is a jackass and anything he says means nothing to me at all. nt |
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Ready4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
32. Make a choice: Win elections, or win hearts. |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
33. Several things wrong with that |
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Papa Boule (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
34. Ah yes, the old "let them win, that'll teach 'em" ploy. Genius. Sheer genius. n/t |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
35. It's always just a GAME to that slimy motherfucker |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
38. I think it's pure Carville. Winning matters most, even if it costs lives. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
39. I think I wouldn't trust Carville as far as I could throw him. |
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Liquorice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
41. I have a different take on it. I think Carville was warning |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
42. That is so typical of Carville. Everything is about the next election cycle. |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
43. Failure can't be pinned on the Republicans. |
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snake in the grass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 12:30 AM Response to Original message |
44. Bad idea. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
46. The GOP doesn't have the seats to kill anything. |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 12:44 AM Response to Original message |
47. If the GOP were the ones killing it, Serpent boy might have a point. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 12:49 AM Response to Original message |
48. Great idea! |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
50. Real change doesn't occur at the voting booth in a sham democracy |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
53. Sure, let 'em kill it so that we have to wait another 20 years, brilliant, Jimbo! |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Seems to be a lot of that mentality going on around here all of the sudden |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
54. no fucking way, with the help of the media they will use the death of healthcare to bury Obama |
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proud patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
55. as someone with a disabled child |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. We've walked away time and time again and the only thing that happens is that decades pass |
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proud patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. me too |
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proud patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. If you want to give these astroturfing goons heck |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
56. and mean while people die |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
57. Good idea at this point. The process has become too convoluted. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
60. He thinks it's a FUCKING GAME. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
61. Carville knows wha tthe fuck he's saying |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
62. Screw that |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
64. Yeah, because there aren't any real people out there, after all. |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
66. If you want a permanent Repuke majority, that's how to get one |
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