I fucking HATE it when I'm right

[Taverner]

A while ago, when discussing health care, I predicted there would be no public option, and "health care reform" would end up being a bunch of tax breaks for rich people.

People here said "No! That could never happen! We're in the majority!"

And I hoped that they would be right, and that I'd be proved wrong.

Unfortunately, I'm right. That sucks completely, dontchaknow...

[Teaser]

1. musta missed when that passed bill came out of conference committee

.

[Jakes Progress]

27. So when the bill comes out

and the president's name is signed, will you finally care if there is no true public option and the pharma and insurance companies are the main beneficiaries?

Bet not.

[Motown_Johnny]

2. we don't have the final bill yet... chill

[BobRossi]

12. Guess this doesn't mean anything.

"WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama's administration signaled on Sunday it is ready to abandon the idea of giving Americans the option of government-run health insurance as part of his ambitious health care proposal.

Facing mounting opposition to the overhaul, administration officials left open the chance for a compromise with Republicans that would include health insurance cooperatives. Such a concession is likely to enrage his liberal supporters but could deliver Obama a much-needed win on a top domestic priority opposed by GOP lawmakers."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090816/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_health_care_overhaul_6

[emulatorloo]

18. Sorry I don't live or die by an AP story. They have been known to "exaggerate"

Wait a few days before panic. However do call your reps and Sens and tell them you want a public option.

[Taverner]

31. Um, as much as you try AP =/= FOX

Not even close.

[lib_wit_it]

47. Demand Single Payer! Settle, grudgingly, for a robust Public Option! Stop asking for less than we

know is best!

[WeDidIt]

3. You were right

I was wrong.

I now see no other option but to just fucking give up.

The corporations win and we're all slaves to them.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

4. You do realize, don't you,

that there is no "bill," that it has to go through committee and committee and House and Senate before it's a bill?

You do realize that, right?

And anything is possible during that journey?

You realize that, too, right?

So, you see that you're not right or wrong about anything, because there is no bill.........................

[BobRossi]

5. "Change" baby!

The more things "change" the more they stay the same.

[tridim]

9. Fucking awesome defeatist response!

You rule! :woohoo: !!!

[BobRossi]

15. So shoot the messenger eh?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090816/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_health_care_overhaul_6

[tridim]

17. Sebilius doesn't sign bills, the President does.

[tridim]

6. Except that there is no "no public option"

So I have to ask WTF are you talking about?

[Taverner]

14. They are dropping the Public Option

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul

[tridim]

19. No, Congress and the President are not dropping the public option.

[Taverner]

28. Link please?

Like I said, I'd like to be wrong

[tridim]

30. It's been posted thousands of times..

Obama supports a strong public option. Period.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/07/obama-overrides-aide-on-health-insurance-public-option/

“I am pleased by the progress we’re making on health care reform and still believe, as I’ve said before, that one of the best ways to bring down costs, provide more choices, and assure quality is a public option that will force the insurance companies to compete and keep them honest,’’ the statement said. “I look forward to a final product that achieves these very important goals.”

[Taverner]

32. That article is over a month old.

People change. People's minds change.

[tridim]

34. He repeats it in every town hall.

He has not changed his mind. Try again.

[Taverner]

36. Again, I ask for proof

And show it in context of the evil AP story, which we all know is worse than Fox and worse than the John Birch Society.

[tridim]

38. Gawd you're dense.

I listen to what he says. Why don't you?

[Taverner]

40. Namecalling sure works doesn't it?

Yeah, when you start losing an argument, like being asked for PROOF all you can do is stick your tongue out like a spoiled child and call names.

Taverner 1, triDIM 0

Try again beautiful!

[tridim]

42. There is no argument from you, only pre-emtive defeatism.

He said just yesterday that he supports a public option.

[Taverner]

43. But then he meets with Blue Dogs and Insurance Execs this weekend, and guess what

He's no longer supporting it

Dream away, Starburst, dream away...

[tridim]

45. The AP article said nothing about the President not supporting what he has already promised.

[Horse with no Name]

57. Hmmm

White House appears ready to drop 'public option'
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul
>>>snip
WASHINGTON – Bowing to Republican pressure and an uneasy public, President Barack Obama's administration signaled Sunday it is ready to abandon the idea of giving Americans the option of government-run insurance as part of a new health care system.

[emulatorloo]

20. AP has been known to "exaggerate"

[Cha]

7. No you don't..it's not over yet except

for those who give up and would rather whine on an internet board.

[Epiphany4z]

21. I find I can do both

not give up and whine on internet board. Today I see what is for sure a shift away from the public option and that leaves my stomach turning. I imagine for today I will hang out here and whine ...a lot......

tomorrow I will get off my ass and fight a bit harder .

[valerief]

8. Wow! You've got the final bill? nt

[HopeOverFear]

10. Whew chile, the whining on the liberal blogosphere is heavy TODAY

I think I may need to walk away for a while.

[Parker CA]

11. Really? Did I miss something? I've been following this very closely and haven't seen a final bill.

[Vickers]

13. I was napping...what happened?

:shrug:

[tridim]

26. A good chunk of DU had their spine removed this morning

Because apparently AP is the ultimate truth and they never spin.

[Taverner]

29. Um, what has that got to do with spines?

I think you're either (a) mixing up metaphors or (b) jumping on anyone who doesn't view the letter "D" by someones name as an indicator of all virtue and morality

:eyes:

[tridim]

33. Lack of political spine can infect Democratic voters too.

It's more commonly known as defeatism or giving up before the fight.

[Taverner]

35. Let me remind you about Bill Clinton

I was fully aware during his presidency. He made many promises to the left that were flat out lies.

Yeah, I love Bill Clinton - from a Business standpoint. He was good for my 401k, not so good for the country.

And he would always make two promises: one to his base and one to his contributors. Which ones do you think he kept?

Obama is not Clinton, but I am seeing a similar pattern emerge.

Pardon me, but the adage goes "Once bitten, twice shy"

[tridim]

39. So it's Clinton's fault now?

Holy fuck that guy is powerful.

[Taverner]

41. Jeesus fucking christ, and you claim I don't read

No - I am saying we, the left, have been lied to in the past. We expect it from Bush and Reagan, but not one of our own. Yet it happens.

Oh wait, I forgot, I'm dealing with a spoiled rotten child here. Go back to Kindergarten - I think you missed a few lessons, Pally.

[tridim]

44. So just give up.

I don't fucking care. There are plenty left who DO care.

[lib_wit_it]

48. Well, didn't you and your ilk give up on Single Payer?

[spiritual_gunfighter]

50. When did you read the final bill? n/t

[whistler162]

46. The usual flapdoodling panic by some!

[downeyr]

16. As much as I hate being overwhelmingly positive..

I must chime in with others who say to not call it hopeless until it actually is. The Republicans don't give up even when it's over. If there really is no reform, then you're right and you can rub it all in our faces.

[lunatica]

22. You're not right yet so hold off on the self-congratulatory hating yourself

fest.

[lib_wit_it]

49. lulz. I tend to agree with the OP, but your response was damn funny.

[ingac70]

23. There isn't even a final bill yet.

ferfucksakes!

[stray cat]

24. Sure you do.......

you love it so much you call it prematurely

[Emit]

25. If you are concerned, write your representative and your president

Let them know. Make your voice heard:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
http://www.healthreform.gov/contact/index.html

Kathleen Sebelius:

http://www.hhs.gov/ContactUs.html

Congress: https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

Senate: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

[deaniac21]

37. You are right, the public option is DOA. Thanks to the CBO.

They say the cheapest of the plans being looked at adds 1 trillion to the nation debt over the next 10 years and the most expensive 1.6 trillion. Where do they get their numbers?

[Greyhound]

51. You've really brought 'em out with this one.

:rofl:
:thumbsup:

[Individualist]

54. Yep!

Taverner should bookmark this thread, then re-post when the final bill is signed. Change the subject to "I told you so".

[Taverner]

56. I would rather not - I'd rather be proved wrong and have THAT smeared in my face

Believe me when I say I hate being right...

[Greyhound]

58. I think we would all prefer that happen to us, unfortunately it happens far too infrequently.

Perhaps eventually we will write "We told you so" often enough that people will start to listen...

[crazy_vanilla]

52. hmmm, i don't know

I want to say you are wrong, but considering which way the wind has been blowing during the past 2 days.....:shrug:

[Taverner]

55. Please - I wanna be wrong

Some have pointed out that Obama has been pushing the Public Option all week - and why would he do that if he didn't want one?

Let's hope I'm just being paranoid as usual...

[HughMoran]

53. Yeah, I hate it too

This is a fucking disaster. I give up.