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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:29 AM
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Compassion, The dividing line.
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 11:45 AM by Gman2
Increasingly, compassion becomes the bright line between right and left. Those that define their ingroup as close family, and certain other exceptions, and gladly cast aside the poor, if not the left, as not worthy of representation. They will allow us any idea in the rainbow, as long as, like Newt said, it doesnt include government, and it doesnt ration. We have been reduced to punching programs into a prescrewed critique. And they threaten that status with all their recently aquired ammo.

We beg for rationality, and ask for reasonable consideration. They say AMERICA is evaporating. IT IS. IT IS GONE. American Exceptionalism has NOT digested that yet. WE are just another country. Our economy, as they insisted could lift anyone to millionaire, if motivated, even if once true, is no longer. So, instead of pulling together as a country, they want to circle their wagons, and protect themselves from the prairiedogs with bazooka's.

Now, I have heard many fearful patriots declare that they hope that all like them call out at the proper moment, so they can join that all purpose race/class war they have expected ever since integration. I am not sure they consider the ramifications of murdering americans like water. That they could go this far in their fantasizing must tell something.

I think it is time to go to the root of our pathology. Zero sum thinking. The notion that keeping all mine, and cutting you loose, works better in the long run, for me. That society works better, when rugged individualists stand giving the finger to all shared societal goals. No pragmatism will get through, no compromise worth taking, until we harpoon that insane notion.

If we have to, we must go back to the root argument. I read this in third grade. The tension between the theories of the advance of man. Was it competition, or cooperation. Were the cool guys those that horded the resources against the other inhabitants of the locale? In hunter gatherer tribes, any show of selfishness, or lying, or not subjecting yourself to the shared wisdom of the tribe would get you exiled post haste. Now, those on the libertarian right, as that is the repository of republican filth, want police to have NO authority to extract your cooperation, or tax monies etc. They want to live in the tribe, and tell the chief on down to fuck off. This is the height of antisocial. The image it conjures is BIG DADDY. They fume and spout, and we all adjust to their rage. And work around their GOD GIVEN tantrums. No tribe before us would accomodate such antipatriotic behavior. If the Dems allow such behavior to flourish, we will be sending a signal to those well ammoed joe's, that we indeed will buckle under to intimidation.

It is time to talk all adult like, to the right. If you intentionally undermine your society, in some Galt fashion, don't be too surprised when we offer you a one way ticket to any destination of your choosing. It worked for thousands of years, and look at how far man has come. Why mess with a winning recipe. Expulsion of hostile elements, IS the historical, and time honored method. It is conservative, as well as ordained by the church.

GET LOST PUKES!
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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 01:34 PM
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1. This gets to the core of all the issues
As animals, we formed small social groups that worked better for the indivuduals in the group than each individual could do for themselves as "lone wolves." Competition against other groups created the sense of us against them. We learned to form bigger groups in the form of civilizations and nation states, but there was still an us and them, just bigger. Do we at some point move this evolution forward consciously and make the "us" all of us, and the "them" our problems that threaten survial?

Even if we all agreed that this was the way to go, we would have disagreements about how to proceed. But we can't even get there as the sense of tribalism seems to be locked in. Our disagreement isn't how to solve problems, it's what is and isn't a problem. Poverty is a good example. The right may offer half-assed solutions, but they don't really work, or need to because to them it's not a problem. To them the main problem is being bothered to contribute to the solutions of problems of those powerless to help themselves.

When you come from the point of view of caring about the survival and health of every human alive and yet to be born, and the planet itself, the list of things wrong with the way things are is long and complex. It makes sense that those with the most power (i.e. money) should do the bulk of the heavy lifting when it comes to fixing things. The wealthy on the right not only won't spare a dime, they get some of the middle class and poor to fight their battles for them in the voting booths and town halls.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 02:52 PM
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4. One of the problems is, sociopathy is encouraged, and rewarded most.
In that system, it is no wonder that the Bible indicts with the threat that in some future, the meek shall inherit the earth.

In that vein, I read Chimpanzee politics, and in it, the thugs recruited more roughians to enforce their iron rule. They bonked many on the head. Soon enough, the ill, old, weak, mothers, children banded together, and ousted the thugs. When I read this, I cried. It is time for us all to band together. and scare the fucking Christ outta them. Or into them. Given free reign, those sociopaths will rule us. Further.
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 01:42 PM
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2. Cooperation leads to civilization and evolution.
The alternative, not so much.

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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 01:46 PM
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3. This was summed up nicely a couple of days ago with this pic...
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 02:54 PM
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5. As I've said before, the working class can beat the crap outta the investor class.
I think it is almost time to prove it. Another generation had to fight physically against the pinkertons and all such. We need to show our strength and resolve. They have.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:10 PM
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7. It used to be that one could cast off their worldly possessions,
join the fight, and feel like they could return to society without being labeled a pariah. Now, credit scores, and IRS returns, and two years previous work history are necessary to rent an abode. Fear of becoming homeless has handcuffed many who would otherwise be more willing to "fight" for what is morally correct.

It is a sad time in history.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:02 PM
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6. It's the outgrowth of Reaganism, IMHO the most dangerous of the predictable outcomes. Now it's here.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:40 PM
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8. They made their intentions clear when they started bashing Empathy.
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 03:41 PM by Odin2005
Fuck them!

Funny that I, the high-functioning autistic person who is supposed to have "problems with Empathy" understands it fine compared to the Pukes.
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crazy_vanilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:43 PM
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9. Bravo! very well stated n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:48 PM
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10. Sociopaths dressed up as a political party.
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:16 PM
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11. Christianism (tribalism): The Dividing Line
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:36 PM
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12. Glad we are talking about class warfare. Cause that is what it has been
all about for the conservatives in their many incarnations.
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