If Obama caves to blue dogs on public option liberals should tell him they will vote against bill

[WI_DEM]

It seems like the administration is doing it's best to accomodate blue dogs and republicans in the health care fight. Well what about liberals and progressives who want and believe in a public option? Can they pass a bill without them? Maybe public option supporters should put pressure on the WH and say no public option then no health care reform bill and Obama will lose. You know a public option could be passed by reconciliation process. The WH is all about "bipartisanship" that it has forgotten that what is best is to produce a strong bill not a weak one.

[stray cat]

1. The question is do you think health insurers should be regulated?

or is that not important?

[WeDidIt]

7. Without the public option, this is a giveaway to the insurance companies

Welfare for health insurers, if you will.

There can be NO regulation without a strong public option.

[lib_wit_it]

26. Absolutely, and if Obama is willing to sign such a bill, then what good is he? If he caves on this,

then he will cave on everything else we care about. We've been punked.

[rhett o rick]

11. The way to "regulate" the out of control health insurers is to provide a government plan

as competition. Without a government plan we will be worse off than today.

[lib_wit_it]

25. This is the point that the "support Obama no matter what" DUers seem to be missing. Liberal Dems --

especially those in congress--need to wield their power just like the lowlife Blue Dogs do. They need to take some fucking Liberal Viagra and counter the pounding progressive ideas get from the fake Dems in concert with the Rescumlicans!

[Cha]

2. Pres Obama has said time and time again

that he needs us to help him pass this but so many people are ignoring that and concentrating on the negative shit.

[divideandconquer]

5. Obama is turning into an even better Republican than Bill Clinton

There is no advantage to actual citizens to "reform" that isn't single payer. It's seems the administration just wants to save the present system by tweaking it.

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[divideandconquer]

17. What has the Obama administration accomplished for average Americans?

Saving Goldman Sachs? Saving Bank of America? Saving Big Pharma? The largest Marine offensive since Vietnam?

If Obama just saves the medical industrial complex from itself, that isn't really progressive

[rhett o rick]

30. The fight isn't over. Are you ready to give in? nm

[rhett o rick]

14. who are you trying to divid to conquer? The Democrats? Seems so from your post. nm

[divideandconquer]

20. Democrats are already divided about healthcare, that's just a fact

It's time to quit saving the status quo from itself and create some actual change.

[rhett o rick]

22. Is that a yes? nm

[divideandconquer]

24. I'm for single payer, if that makes me the enemy then fine I'll own that

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[WeDidIt]

8. Good for you

No public option, no peace.

Sorry, this is line in the sand time.

[rhett o rick]

19. Disagree. A bill without a strong public option will be worse than nothing

If Pres Obama can't (or won't) win for at least a public option then the game is all over. This issue has the greatest public outrage pushing for decent health care. If Pres Obama caves in to the insurance industry it will break the back of the public that has given him so much support. Any thing less than a strong public option is a huge win for CorpAmerica and they won't stop there.

This is not baseball, this is more like David vs. Goalith. David has one rock and if he misses he won't get a second shot.

Public option or nothing.

[Faryn Balyncd]

28. The corporatists won't stop with destroying the Public Option...they want to PRIVATIZE MEDICARE.

That is Zeke Emanuel's plan - - - voucherized mandatory private insurance and the phasing out of Medicare itself.

[timeforpeace]

4. He knows they won't. Even the responses here are morphing into acceptance. No public option is about

to sound like the greatest idea a human being ever had, by the support it will now get here. He knows he can take us for granted.

[Deep13]

9. We're not going to get another chance.

We we can't get public insurance now, we never will.

[WeDidIt]

10. No pu blic option, NO BILL!

IT's that siomple.

IF there is no public option, the status quo is better than what any other bill will give.

[Deep13]

12. I would rather win this and lose next year...

...than compromise further and keep "our" majority.

[WeDidIt]

15. Me too

Fuck this shit.

If the Dems cave on this, I become a REpublican, BECAUSE THE DEMS ARE BEING REPUBLICAN BY DEFAULT ANY WAY!

[divideandconquer]

21. I agree, this is a moral issue and it's time for moral leadership

I'm afraid an "Uniquely American" healthcare answer is just code for "save as much of the present immoral system as possible".

Why aren't millions of people marching on Washington? Where"s all the community organizing?

[lib_wit_it]

23. Apparently DUers don't support that march on DC idea--check out how quickly my thread died

out:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6260779

[felinetta]

16. I am proud that Obama even took up this monumental climb uphill against

all odds.  Unfortunately we have to be prepared for baby
steps.  We will never even get that from
Repubs.  I can only imagine how powerful the insurance and
drug companies are.  Let's get what we can
get.  I'm a Liberal and I will never be satisfied until
everyone is a progressive atheiest.  But,
surprise of surprises, I live in the real world.  I'm
supporting Obama.

[Deep13]

29. Well, I supported him in the election with a vote and $$$.

I think he should have followed his instinct and not the advice he received.

[kenny blankenship]

13. Just remember who the Blue Dog spiritual leader is

This is a game within a game within a game. They negotiate our interests away in shadow plays with themselves and call it democracy.

[babylonsister]

18. They already have...

Woolsey: Progressive caucus won't vote for bill without public plan

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5843431

[rucky]

27. I'm seeing less and less of a downside to taking this approach.

But we don't have the guts to even bluff it.