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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:56 AM
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The "Support Glenn Beck and His Values and Principles" petition
This is just one of the funniest, most hypocritical, and basically deranged petitions (on line) I have ever seen, so prepare to spit out whatever it is you are eating/drinking.

An excerpt;


Glenn Beck supports the values and principles on which this great country was founded. It's not about being a Republican or Democrat, but an American. He is a steward of the following principles:

1. America Is Good
2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life
3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday
4. The family is sacred
5. If you break the law you pay the penalty
6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results
7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with whom I want to
8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion
9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.

Through his radio and television show, he promotes God, family and country - which resonate with a majority of Americans. There are some people who have an ideological problem with Glenn Beck. These people will not be satisfied until voices such as Glenn's are silenced. For the millions of us who share Glenn's values, there is nothing more frightening than losing our forum.


http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/SupportGlennBeck/
http://supportglennbeck.com/

This is how the Reich-wing really thinks. And it's frightening. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with whom I want to I didn't know that when you claim as the number two most important thing in your life that you believe in God, that sharing what you have with who you want rather than with those in need is what the Bible teaches. And what's even scarier, they claim millions share his values. If you count the total number of people who watch his pathetic show, they represent only about one percent of the population, not anything advertisers would be too concerned with in the grand scheme of things.

But I guess they think that this little petition will convince those who no longer advertise on his show to come back. Since most of them have NO clue what ConAgra, Roche, Sanofi-Aventis or RadioShak (sic) represent, I'm sure the petition will make a difference (cue uncontrolled laughter).





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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:59 AM
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1. Number two comes straight from revival history in the US
and yes it is dangerous.

We are in the midst of a revival, and I hope on the reverse part of the hill.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 01:01 AM
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2. Wow. If that is what Beck stands for, then how can he explain the nonsense he spews?
These people are simply inhinged. They are making this country more and more dangerous.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 01:03 AM
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3. I like the contradiction of #5 and #9
5. If you break the law you pay the penalty

9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.

If the Government works for them, does that mean they will now be in charge of filling potholes?
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:04 AM
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12. Well, you certainly changed my mind.
You may leave now.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:09 AM
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17. Awwwwww I missed the cretin, darn. Needed my sleep.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:35 AM
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14. You are nuts. And on the wrong board.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 01:15 AM
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4. 10. Fuck poor people, workers, minorities & women, they are what they are by choice.
Convoluted? You betcha!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 02:44 AM
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karnsie Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 02:49 AM
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6. Sorry
I hate to be a party pooper, but if one is to look at these statements on their surface, I don't see there being much to be too disagreeable about. I've never seen Beck's show, but these statements in and of themselves don't bother me, and in fact seem quite honorable, honestly. You all claim to find these statements "frightening". (?)

Would you find these polar opposite statements then, to be goal worthy? Please be intellectually honest:

1. America is not good
2. I do not believe in god
3. I must always try to be a less honest person than I was yesterday
4. The family is not sacred.
5. If you break the law... there is no penalty!
6. I am guaranteed happiness! :-)
7. I will share what I have -- as commanded by my government.
8. It is un-American for me to disagree with authority -- or to share my personal opinion.
9. I work for my government. I answer to my government. They do not answer to me.

For full disclosure, I myself, as an agnostic, have a problem with #2. ;)
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:00 AM
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9. Glenn Beck doesn't care about black people.
:D Welcome to DU! :hi:



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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:55 AM
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15. Hey, I bought that CD at the Cobb County Baptist Church Resale store.
My favorite cut is "Four White Sheets Blowin In the Wind"
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 03:45 AM
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23. These people love those two words, White Power
:hi:
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:01 AM
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11. 8. It is un-American for me to disagree with authority -- or to share my personal opinion.
Hey, it was for eight years.
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AusDem Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:30 AM
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13. some of those principles are fine
but the problem is when even Glenn Beck doesn't follow them. Particularly number 3.

See the total smackdown by Jon Stewart about Beck's short 16mth 180degree spin on the state of healthcare in the US. Does it mean he thinks healthcare was horrible while bush was around and suddenly when Obama came in, its the best in the world? Is he more truthful now? or before? who knows?

My intellectually honest answers (i could be more honest tomorrow, who knows)

1. America is only as good as its people, its government and their actions
2. I'm atheist, don't care
3. refer to my comment above about rank hypocrisy
4. Republican leaders don't seem to think so
5. Agree, but then why is he inciting people to violence and racism?
6. Don't have a problem with this one. I don't think anyone has ever said that the government can guarantee happiness.
7. Yeah, do you know why it is that we have taxation? People don't want to share for the common good (the free rider concept, look it up), and things fall apart. Also, if you subscribe to principle 2, and are a Christian, isn't there some sort of special commitment to the poor and the sick?
8. Don't have a problem with this, though protests against Bush and his policies were always met with the cry of "un-American" from the right
9. Don't have a problem with this one either. But if the people vote a particular government in, you can't try and subvert their will through the various games that the Republican party is famous for

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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:11 AM
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18. Te people who espouse these 'beliefs' are scumbags, dishonest, and hypocrites
along with being moronic and ignorant. Is that a good explanation?
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:16 AM
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20. What is frightening is that they don't have anything to do with Beck
. . .he just pretends they do. The man is a circus clown and doesn't believe in anything but profit for himself. He prostitutes his soul every time he opens his mouth.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 04:34 AM
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24. I think you should have a problem with at least #1, #2(*), #4, #7, and #8(*)
Here's why:

#1, America is good - is said by beck listeners and other conservatives whenever someone dares to criticize certain policies of our government, particularly when it comes to foreign policy. They accuse anyone daring to challenge policies that they personally agree with as being the "blame America first" crowd.

This is - on its face - stupid. Frankly, its stupid to "blame" the government of any other country before my own - I live here. This is where I have at least the illusion of being able to have some say in, or influence over, what my government does. I have less influence over France, China, Iran, or Zimbabwe.

Further, a nation is a construct - it is not an actual entity and as such, it can't be "good" or "bad." People can be. Actions can be, and actions can take the form of political policies. The United States has been responsible for some very good things and it has also been responsible for some very bad things. Honest people talk about both. Beck listeners don't.

#2 Note the asterisk next to this one. On the surface, there's nothing wrong with believing in God and believing that "he is the center of my life." The reason to have a problem with this one is only for the sheer contradiction between what it says and how the people pushing this petition live and act. It should go without saying that the God being referred to here is the God of Christianity. Do you know what the number one most talked about subject in the entire Bible is? Poverty, and how Christians are supposed to take care of the poor. And I can tell you right now, the exhortation was not to oppose social efforts to ease poverty so that you can instead act on idividual charity.

The God of the Old Testiment laid out "his" laws for the nation of Israel - and they were explicitly clear, demanding policies nationally that would make anything we do pale in comparison. They were downright communist. Every 50 years, the year of Jubilee - that's when everyone resets to zero - all debts are canceled, all lands returned, rich people fall to zero, poor people rise to zero. Every seven years, debt forgiveness. God didn't say "you individuals, you go do with your money what you feel is best" - no, God said, "this is what you, as my nation shall do.

God also forbade loaning on credit by the way - credit is the entire foundation of our modern capitalist economy. Chew on that for a while.

#4 The family is sacred - and? The family is private. The government shouldn't make any laws forbidding you and your family from being a family, or dictating what constitutes a family. Beyond this, what relevance does this declaration have to politics? We all know the answer - its intended to declare a anti-equality message of bigoted homophobia. If you have a problem with gays, don't be gay! I'll stand by you in opposition to any laws the government tries to pass to order you to be gay. When that happens, give me a call. Until then, the makeup of other people's families is none of your business. Nor the governments.

#7 I work hard for what I have and I'll share it with whom I want to. First, see my comments on #2. Second, this rests on a false assumption. The factually incorrect assumption being that some individual did his or her own work, all on her own, with help from no one and using nothing but his or her own resources from birth to death. If that were true, then someone might be justified in saying, I work hard for what I have and will share it with whom I want to.

But in the real world, its probably true the petitioneers do work hard. But what they have is not merely a product of their own work. It is a product of the collective efforts and involvement of everyone in this society. I helped them have what they have. My tax dollars pay for the police and fire that kept them safe and their homes from burning them alive. My tax dollars pay for the roads they use to get to work, for the grants they may have received while going to college. My tax dollars pay for water purification so they are not sick with dissentary and hospitals in case they ever have an emergency and find themselves without health insurance. My tax dollars most likely paid for their primary and secondary education. My hard work and my investment into this economic and society has helped create job opportunities and greater wealth. I could go on....

We are all in this together. And the only way it works is if continue to invest in each other. It's in our best interests that everyone have access to good schools, and enough to eat and shelter and good roads, and access to health care -- these are the things that keep society well. The more you take these things away, the more the workforce suffers, the more productivity falters, and consumer spending dies and the economy tumbles and now all the sudden even wealthy people are losing what they "worked hard for."

#8 this one has an asterisk too. Of course the point itself is true, however the supreme irony is that Beck listeners, by and large are the very same people who were calling disagreement "unamerican" and calling those who disagreed traitors during the Bush administration. Either this principle is true and is always true - or it isn't.

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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 05:01 AM
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25. Well, you have fantasy and then you have reality
Those statements are meant to be absolutes, when in fact, absolutes highlight how fallacious they are. Consequently, reversing their polarity would constitute a likewise degree of fallacy.

I mean, just look at this shit:


"America Is Good"

1. America is neither good nor bad. It simply is. To create an absolute would be to dismiss the good and bad things that are done in our names and disregard the context in which these things are done. And good for whom? Follow the money, I say.


"I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life"

2. Whether one believes in God (or not) is moot. However, some of the greatest good and some of the worst evil is done in God's name. Usually, this statement is used as a precursor for committing all sorts of acts via carte blanch. "It's God's will that I murder you." Yep.


"I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday"

3. Why is it so hard to simply say that, "I am honest?" The way he has it worded is lame and disingenuous. Whenever he's caught not being honest, what is his excuse, "I didn't say that I am honest, I only said I tried to be"? His original statement is patently dishonest, isn't it?


"The family is sacred"

4. Sacredness of the family. Families are formed in many ways. But, people like Beck are wont to define the family within a narrow set of bigoted parameters. A family is only sacred if he finds it worthy. And if is is so "sacred", why not try to outlaw divorce?


"If you break the law you pay the penalty"

5. The law of the land is innocent until proven guilty. But a dry drunken, drug-addled hypocrite like Beck tends to conveniently forget things like the law of the land.


"I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results"

6. There is no mention of the common good or the general welfare. Without which no one can really have life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in this country. That's what the Civil War was about.


"I work hard for what I have and I will share it with whom I want to"

7. If we're going to have a society, a common union, then we really don't have an excuse to engage in institutionalized greed and constant class warfare. Abdication of shared responsibility is a sure fire formula for anarchy and tyranny.


"It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion"

8. I agree, but the statement is incomplete. "My way or the highway", is not acceptable either. But that's how Beck lives. But most of all, if one's "opinion" just hopped off the crazy train (Like ALL of Beck's), we have the right to treat them as crazy as they actually are.


"The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me."

9. When drunken idiots are being hauled off by the cops to the hoosegow, that puppy is their all time favorite. I expect nothing less from an brain donor like Beck when it comes to an utterly ridiculous statement such as that.

Of course, all of his statements are worrisome, because they all have no basis in reality.

Merely reversing them only highlights how selfish, pious, greedy, dishonest, hypocritical and stupid Glenn Beck actually is.

The man truly is and always will be an idiot.

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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 02:58 AM
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8. Is there a full moon tonight? n/t
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 05:17 AM
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16. Beck is in the 7th Grade Mental Group...
and 1 % in USA is 3 million peeps...
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:14 AM
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19. 3 million peeps who aren't worth a rats ass to the economy.
Since they only spend money on guns, beer, and HFCS snacks.


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loyalkydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:33 AM
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21. This is
so fucked up in so many ways that it isn't funny
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:50 PM
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22. This is what the Thugs are all about, lies and deception
they are the tools of the devil, yes they are.
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