This alarms me. Look at the guy holding the Obama/Hitler sign

[Thickasabrick]

WTF? I would love for someone to find him and get what motivated him to do that.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/16/obama-rightwing-extremist-fears

[gateley]

1. Photoshopped, maybe? He's in a pro-reform crowd. nt

[Thickasabrick]

4. I know, that's what so wierd but this is straight from the Guardian

Very strange

[gateley]

7. Yeah -- I went to the link and the photo is credited to and AP photographer --

Guess I was just hoping...

[FarPoint]

25. good observation.

it does seem like it was a photoshop scam.

[MrScorpio]

2. Don't get me started on black conservatives

The most self hating motherfuckers on the planet

[DU9598]

28. ummm, have you met Log Cabin Repubs?

Talk about self-hating ... lol

[sandnsea]

3. I see 5 or 6 pro-health care signs

Why are we allowing them to drown that out with their stupidity.

It isn't as if we didn't carry around our share of Bush/Hitler posters which I'm sure they didn't understand.

[pot luck]

5. Black conservatives can be just as loony as white conservatives.

There is no race requirement for batshit crazy.

[Thickasabrick]

14. Or has major stock in the insurance industry. Greed has no race

boundaries.

[Contrary1]

6. Read the article...they are roasting the idiots.

"The message was clear. The sign carried by a 51-year-old man last week outside a raucous town hall meeting on healthcare in Hagerstown, Maryland, read "Death to Obama". Just to emphasise his point, a second message was also scrawled on the cardboard placard. "Death to Obama, Michelle and 2 stupid kids," it stated.

Welcome to the disturbing new face of the radical right in America. Across the country, extremism is surging, inflamed by conservative talkshow hosts, encouraged by Republican leaders and propagating a series of wild conspiracy theories. Many fear it might end in tragedy.

Obama has been labelled as a threat to democracy and an anti-white racist by senior presenters on the TV channel Fox News. Republicans, seizing on the fierce debate over Obama's plans to reform healthcare, have called him a socialist who plans "death panels" for the elderly. Rumours have circulated that Obama was not born in America and that he plans to ban firearms. Despite having no basis in fact, they have become widely believed. A recent poll in Virginia showed only 53% of voters believed Obama was born in the US. In neighbouring North Carolina, 54% of voters shared that opinion.

Such extremism is becoming a major security issue, prompting fears of an attack on Obama's life or some other incident of domestic terrorism. "This is a very dangerous situation that can spin off 'lone wolf' individuals who decide now is the time to act against people they see as an enemy," said Chip Berlet, author of a book on rightwing extremists..."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/16/obama-rightwing-extremist-fears

[Thickasabrick]

9. Oh I did read it, but then I zoned in on that guy in the picture and it

just didn't fit. I am just really curious as to what this guy's story is.

[krispos42]

8. Hitler developed the limited-access highway, too.

DOWN WITH THE INTERSTATES!!!!!!! THEY LEAD TO SOCIALISM AND DEATH PANELS!!!!

[Towlie]

10. The Hitler mustache was Photoshopped in. He was actually holding a plain picture of Barack Obama.

[Thickasabrick]

13. And the Guardian published a photoshopped pic? Really doesn't

sound like them. I'm thinking he might own an insurance company.

[slampoet]

15. It is photo shop. Look at the white pixel dot on Obama's Eyebrow

Also notice the sloppy white splotch on the black man's right sleeve, the spot under his left arm and a small one above it are also inconsistent.


There is a square edged floating head over the black man's left bicep that is IN FRONT of his left sleeve even though the person is in back of him.
That figure in back of him is also jagged and their arm doesn't match plus what ever was written on their sign appears to be erased. Otherwise that person is carrying a sign with Margins BIGGER than the text that is hidden. Also that figure appears to be missing a left arm

The shadows are wrong.

The buttons on the black man's shirt have been whitened.

The mustache on Obama's face is PURE black and not lightened by any natural light, it is FAR too flat.

The only thing blurred in the photo in the black man's left finger EXACTLY where you would need to use the blur tool to add the folds in the Obama poster. The fold shading is a little off. The fold shadow under Obama's ear doesn't match the shadow on the black man's face.

[slampoet]

22. oops double post

[Name removed]

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[Thickasabrick]

31. Thanks! Never heard of them. Looked them up on Wiki.....scary. n/t

[BlooInBloo]

12. I'm gonna go with 'shopped...

But until somebody posts the original, it's just a guess.

[donheld]

17. Have you seen this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x353092

[BlooInBloo]

19. So much for that guess.

[DefenseLawyer]

20. I don't think it is photoshopped because a person of color is holding the sign

but rather because it looks obvious that it is a pro-reform crowd he is standing with. The Obama/Hitler poster probably wouldn't be well received by the rest of the crowd. Just a guess.

[donheld]

33. If you watch the video you'll see that's the case.

[slampoet]

36. I don't see Anything in the video that is a still image the same as in the photos.

The video doesn't even have the same people in it. The video also doesn't explain the multitude of photoshop errors as detailed in post #23 and #27

All the vid proves is that LaRouche people were at the event. Nothing else.

[Towlie]

49. Okay, it wasn't photoshopped after all. That video proves it beyond any doubt.

But why the black guy was holding the sign remains a mystery. Since he didn't want to discuss it, my current guess is that he was being paid by conservatives and was in effect just a mercenary.

[brettdale]

16. I think its photoshopped

I think its photoshopped.

[Avalux]

18. That has to be photoshopped. n/t

[yurbud]

21. $40?

[slampoet]

23. It is VERY SLOPPY photoshop. Look at the white pixel dot on Obama's Eyebrow

Also notice the sloppy white splotch on the black man's right sleeve, the spot under his left arm and a small one above it are also inconsistent. These splotches are all the same color as the hanky in the black man's pocket = OBVIOUS eyedropper tool.

For that matter when is the last time you EVER saw someone wear a handkerchief in their over shirt pocket like it was a fitted suit coat? Last time i saw such a thing was in an old newsreel from the 30's or on a gent who would now be about 110 years old.

There is a square edged floating head over the black man's left bicep that is IN FRONT of his left sleeve even though the person is in back of him.
That figure in back of him is also jagged and their arm doesn't match plus what ever was written on their sign appears to be erased. Otherwise that person is carrying a sign with Margins BIGGER than the text that is hidden. Also that figure appears to be missing a left arm

The shadows are wrong.

The buttons on the black man's shirt have been whitened.

The mustache on Obama's face is PURE black and not lightened by any natural light, it is FAR too flat.

Who the hell is the woman in the red shirt and glasses smiling at with her eyes closed? Is it a small child or little person standing a foot in back of the black man?

The only thing blurred in the photo in the black man's left finger EXACTLY where you would need to use the blur tool to add the folds in the Obama poster. The fold shading is a little off. The fold shadow under Obama's ear doesn't match the shadow on the black man's face.

I found all this while looking at the photo under normal magnification.

Once i looked at the photo at 10x mag, i can find several other errors and a LOT of straight angles that would never be there in real life.


That person MIGHT have been at the rally but they were not in THAT crowd and the photo is DEFINITELY altered.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

24. Those hideous posters I saw at a rally

had "Obama Has Changed" written on the bottom - the wording on this poster looks covered up. But there was a video up yesterday on DU of a black activist going after (verbally) a younger black guy hanging out with the LaRouche crowd and holding the same poster. Eventually, he talked the kid into putting the poster down and walking away.

[csziggy]

26. Here's another

A man holds a poster of President Obama as Adolf Hitler at Farr's town hall in Monterey.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/gallery/2009/08/meet-the-mob-round-2-more-from-the-health-care-battlefield.php?img=1

[slampoet]

27. What is the deal with that person's right hand? PHOTOSHOP

It's like he has a club hand or a thumb bigger than in a Tom Robbins Novel


Also what is that stray swatch of cloth doing just hanging in mid-air behind this person's butt? What is the black area protruding from this mysterious swatch floating in mid-air and why is the floating swatch the SAME pattern as his jeans?

The shine on the two men's heads are coming from two different angles (though that could be track lighting) But if either of these shines are correct then the shadows in the folds of the black man's shirt are entirely wrong.

Take a look at the Letter "S" on the green shirt at 5x magnification. You will be able to see that it actually stands out a few pixels over the edge where it should be. That cropping there is sloppy giving the impression that the "S" is a puffy 3-D lettering when every other letter on the shirt is flat.

The white on the bottom of the poster bleeds into the woman's elbow.

The Clipboard is missing a rivet.

The piece of paper on the clipboard is backwards in the fact that it is not on the clip side of the clipboard. The text on it has not indentations on the paragraphs even and seems to be complete even though the paper is a xerox of 1 and one half pages from a book that is stretched out on a photocopy machine. Also the piece of paper has a rounded cut on the bottom right and a 90degree edge on all three other corners. The Dead give away on that piece of paper also is that is is RHOMBUS shaped and not square.

And AGAIN just like in the first photo the black person and the white person appear to be making eye contact but the angles and body positioning are just not right. It's pretty obvious the bald white guy is looking at the person who's ear you can see behind the black man who has been pasted into the photo.

Looks like No one wanted to talk to the Larouche people and the Larouchies decided to make themselves appear more popular. i would also venture to guess these were photoshopped by the same person since they make some of the same mistakes.

[csziggy]

32. I don't know - but the old man behind the black man seems to be behind the wall from the neck down

The clipboard looks like it is upside down so with left justified text it looks wrong. There is not enough resolution to read the text to see if it is backwards or upside down.

The "S" is on a fold - I think it is just deceptive.

The flyers the guys is holding look more pixelated than his hand, but the thumb could just be from him stretching to hold a big wad of stuff at an odd angle.

The stray cloth seems to be behind the guy in khaki pants standing behind the black guy. But the guy who is sitting in the chair back there looks like he has black face on!

I do see some artifacts that could be from Photoshop editing - just below the elbow of the man the black guy is talking to is a little "flare" of flesh color. That can happen if you use the healing brush incorrectly. There is some odd pixelation just below the thumb of the hand holding the poster. On the upper left (as we're looking at it" there are some odd colors that do not seem to belong to that poster.


I do like the expression on the little old lady sitting in front of the poster. Her button says "Health Care NOW" as does the man sitting next to her. I suspect if the poster is real she is disgusted with the guy holding it.

[Thickasabrick]

29. OMG - I love the look on that woman's face. She is too cute!!!

[csziggy]

34. Yes - and her button says "Health Care NOW"

Her expression is pretty convincing that the photo is real, despite some oddities.

[lurky]

30. Its a Lyndon LaRouche poster.

No further explanation required. Whatever galaxy those guys come from, our system of Earth logic does not work there.

[comrade snarky]

37. Ah! LaRouche

That explains a lot. He's not right wing, he's just crazy.

The LaRouchies are probably upset about the secret plan to render old people down for their useful oils. Lyndon LaRouche, the only guy to run for president from prison.

[slampoet]

35. May i just say that i am having a BALL spotting the photoshop errors from these LaRouchies

This is so much fun.

[orleans]

38. you've got a great eye for detail. you'd be a great continuity person

for films

[slampoet]

41. Thanks. you're so nice!!

I'd love to do that kind of work, though I really would like to be a Foley.

I've been doing audio work for a long time, but recently have been hired to do a lot of video editing.

[Oeditpus Rex]

39. It's not 'shopped — here's an original

Not the same photo, but the same guy with the same poster at the same event.

http://tinyurl.com/qe2cfu

His name's Delante Bess and he's a LaRouchie.

http://archive.seacoastonline.com/2004news/10052004/news/41273.htm

http://www.larouchepac.com/node/5213

http://www.larouchepub.com/lym/2007/3444halo3_destroys_us.html

http://www.larouchepub.com/lym/2007/3444brit_sex_toys.html



There's more, but I don't want to flood this post with links.

[slampoet]

40. Just because the person was there doesn't mean it wasn't photoshopped.

This person was where she was and ALSO photoshopped.



http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/2009/08/glenn-feron-i-have-no-sense-of.html


You're throwing up a straw man. No one ever said the LaRouchies weren't AT the event or that they aren't real humans.

[Oeditpus Rex]

42. I don't understand what you're saying

The link I posted is to a photo with an AP watermark. It's legit.

I'm not "throwing up" anything. I was curious and did some research. That's all.

[BlooInBloo]

43. (shrug) For many Americans the trauma of being mistaken is just too much to bear....

It's one of our less endearing quirks.

[slampoet]

46. Is it the same photo? no.

Is it the same crowd? not really, only one person in common.

The photo can also be "real" AND photoshopped to enhance it, which is what i originally said.




If there are two glasses of milk on a table and one is sour what does that say about the other glass of milk?

It says nothing about the other glass of milk.

[Oeditpus Rex]

47. Who at AP or the Guardian would 'shop it?

And why? :shrug:

[Liquorice]

44. Good job figuring out who it is! I was very curious about it. nt

[Oeditpus Rex]

45. Wasn't difficult

I googled the photographer's name and the date. I knew if it was an AP photo, there'd be cutline information.

[SweetieD]

48. There are crazy Anti-Obama black people you know. Its funny people think its shopped.

I'm black. I belong to a few non-political black forums and yes there are always a small number black people who are against Obama and anti-democrat, or anti-establishment or think Obama is the illuminati/anti-christ.

And LaRouche, for some ungodly reason, has tons of black followers. When I went to Howard, his followers (black) would always be on campus handing out flyers during the 2004 election. So I'm not surprised this guy is a LaRouchite, and I'm not surprised he is holding an Obama/Hitler sign.

[Towlie]

50. No, that's not the answer. The answer is that the black guy was a mercenary.

Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C55GznHiexA">the video. The guy holding the sign refused to talk about why he was holding it. If he really felt strongly enough about his apparent position to hold that sign, he would certainly have been willing to vocally reinforce that position when asked about it by the interviewer.

At this point I believe one or more conservatives offered to pay him to hold up that sign, and a combination of needing money and not caring about political issues was enough to convince him to take the job.