Anyone who shows up with a gun at a Presidential event deserves...

[GaYellowDawg]

... to get shot by the Secret Service.

Want to see the President? Leave your fucking gun at home. Want reasons? I'll give you several: Booth, Guiteau, Czolgosz, Schrank, Zangara, Collazo, Torresola, Oswald, Hinckley. These are all assassination attempts in which someone was killed - in four cases, the President was the victim. Squeaky Fromme's attempt only went awry because she didn't chamber a bullet. How about another name? James Earl Fucking Ray. You hear that, morons?

There are limits to the Bill of Rights. Do you think a death threat to the President is covered under the First Amendment? Of course not. You represent a threat to the President when you do that. When you bring a gun to a Presidential event, you are an active threat to the President. If you're arguing that people have a right to bring guns to a Presidential event, here's what I have to say to you:

FUCK YOU AND YOUR GUN.

If you can't bear to be separated from your gun/security blanket for the time it takes to see the President, then stay the hell home and catch it on CNN. At some point, one of these motherfuckers with a gun will pull it. If some shithead is at a Presidential event carrying a gun and even twitches towards it, I will applaud the Secret Service if they blow the asshole out of his shoes and ask questions later. You want to walk on razor blades, fuck you if your feet get cut.

And speaking of fuck you: fuck you, fuck your attitude that the Second Amendment somehow outranks all other rights, fuck the goddamn tree of liberty, and fuck Thomas Jefferson for writing that stupid shit. Water it with your own goddamn blood, you sorry sons of bitches, if you think it needs watering that badly, but you keep the fuck away from my President with your goddamn gun.

[ronnykmarshall]

1. What he said.

[barbiegeek]

122. Copy & Email this post to all your friends

[babylonsister]

2. Yep. And

here's a lovely story about this guy-a preliminary background check from Joan Walsh.

Who was that gun-toting, anti-Obama protester?

On the Web, William Kostric backs Birthers, secessionists and shooting cops who bust drug dealers in their homes

http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/politics/2009/08/12/william_kostric/

[mzmolly]

123. Just another innocent man showing up with weaponry at the Presidental

town halls. :sarcasm:

[kjackson227]

3. Thank you!

[Madball]

4. The guy

never threatened the president or was in the same room.

[redqueen]

10. Neither was the guy who told a joke about Bush. (nt)

[Madball]

27. Are we ever

going to move forward and forget what bush did?

[redqueen]

29. Only if he ends up rotting in a jail cell, where he belongs. Cheney, too.

*roffle*

Welcome to DU. :rofl:

[AlinPA]

33. Recalling what Bush** did does not mean we are not going forward. Forgetting what he did

is dangerous to this country.

[asdjrocky]

34. Enjoy the pizza moran.

[unpossibles]

56. you're not even trying!

lol.

[Dinger]

83. It Won't Be Long Now (nt)

[Rockholm]

70. Nope. We won't let you forget.

[City Lights]

71. Not until he and his thugs are serving time for their crimes.

You can sweep his crimes under the rug, but you won't be able to mask the stench.

[Canuckistanian]

151. The main problem with America is that it forgets TOO MUCH

The Gulf of Tonkin, The Bay of Pigs, Ford's pardon of Nixon, Reagan-Bush's Iran-Contra, BCCI, The Iraq war, warrantless wiretapping, torture, etc., etc., etc.......

[CitizenPatriot]

169. geeze

it's only been 9 months, and we're still dealing with the fallout: an illegal war based on lies and an economy left on the steep edge of free market disaster. It isn't time to move on yet.

[AuntPatsy]

186. Only when the wrongs he committed against this country and others find

justice......do you have any idea just how much he has raped and pillaged the coffers in this country...the very funds needed for the citizens of this land?? I don't believe until he is made to face his accusers and answer all charges that anyone should ever forget....

[spanone]

11. he held a sign calling for blood and was wearing a pistol on his hip...make the connection?

[Luminous Animal]

171. We are allowed to do that in this United States.

[Not Me]

14. He was not in the same room because he was not allowed in by SS

who went out of their way (IMHO) with restraint on this fool. Hew Hampshire has pretty libertarian gun carry laws and they were respecting that.

My feeling is that if you bring a gun to a presidential appearance it should be seen as a direct threat on the life of the president and you should be arrested. Period.

[Statistical]

51. There is nothing to indicate that he even tried to enter the room.

The townhall was at a school. School is a prohibited location in NH (and many other states).
Had he entered the school it would have been a crime and he would have been arrested.

[Hekate]

129. The school grounds and the school parking lot are also considered part of the school.....

... for purposes of law enforcement. In fact, for certain types of crime the sidewalks, the street, and across the street are also considered off-limits territory.

Hekate

[AuntPatsy]

189. His obvious intent was a call to arms...I mean really..just consider

the rhetoric in the last seven months from the gop and it's band of evil wrong doers......they want some nut case to do what they themselves can't or just won't do.

[GaYellowDawg]

15. You are so wrong.

That poster was a threat. Let me put it simply:

A. He believes that "it's time to wash the tree of liberty" with the blood of tyrants and patriots.
B. He believes that President Obama is a tyrant.

My support for (A) comes from the poster he was holding. My support for (B) comes from his interview with Matthews in which he talked about how America's freedoms were being taken away, and who else besides a tyrant would do that? Therefore, it is likely that:

C. He believes that it's time to wash the tree of liberty with President Obama's blood.

So that motherfucker shows up at a Presidential event with a gun, and you don't think it's a threat? Does it have to be spelled out in crayon?

[spanone]

17. answer to your last question....crayon?...yes

this place has been crawling with them....

[Madball]

19. So committing

absolutely no crime we are ready to hang this guy for his beliefs?

[spanone]

20. not hang...detain & question....'we' kemosabe????

[GaYellowDawg]

Not for his beliefs.

For his actions? Hell, yes.

[Madball]

23. I guess i missed

the part when he shot someone

[GaYellowDawg]

35. Well, now, that makes all KINDS of sense.

Don't do anything until after someone gets shot. Then everyone can stand around shaking their heads talking about how terrible it was.

My position is this: someone shows up at a Presidential event with a gun, put the son of a bitch in a cell for a while. And if he so much as twitches towards that gun, blow him out of his fucking shoes. There are limits to rights.

[Madball]

39. So we punish for

victimless crimes?

[GaYellowDawg]

55. Of course we do.

Try carrying an RPG down the street, not pointing it towards anyone. Victimless crime. You'd be arrested in a heartbeat. You know why? Because some things are prohibited because of their potential for harm. Same thing applies here.

[Statistical]

68. Yeah because it is against the law. Bradishing in this case.

The gun owner violated no law.

[snake in the grass]

200. Too bad being a walking penis isn't a crime.

The guy would get life.

[Statistical]

60. Generally we put people in jail when they commit a crime.

He committed no crime.

If you want lobby to make it illegal to have a firearm within 500 feet of a Presidential event.
If it passes and he does it then he committed a crime and then you put him in jail.

That is how the rule of law works. I know 8 years was a long time and everyone forgot how it works but generally speaking it is not a good idea to put people in jail for NOT committing a crime.

The President was never in danger, he was being watched, he did nothing that rose to the level required for an arrest. The Police & Secret Service did EXACTLY what they were suppose to do.

Want it to be a crime? Fine, that is part of civic discussion. Lobby for it, get is passed, get it signed.... then it is illegal not before.

[spanone]

the president is ALWAYS in danger.

[Statistical]

67. By that logic everyone should be in jail at all time. n/t

[spanone]

73. no, by that logic anyone brandishing a gun at one of his rallies is suspect

[Statistical]

74. If he brandished the firearm he would be in jail.

Brandishing requires the firearm to be in his hand which I am assumming it never was.
I am not saying it should be legal but it currently is legal. Don't like it..... MAKE IT ILLEGAL.

Don't arrest people for non-crimes though.

[Obamanaut]

134. Possibly this is the reason he has the secret service detail with him.

Why all the turmoil re one poseur with a pisol on his leg - in plain view, holstered. Should there not be more concern about the possibility that there were (are) some in every crowd with concealed weapons of various sorts?

[asdjrocky]

30. Not hang him.

Arrest the fucking idiot. Detain him and his fucking gun until the President of the United States is gone.

I would have said the same fucking thing is some liberal showed up with a gun on his leg where Bush... oh, never mind, that would never happen.

[Madball]

Do you

know how many people there outside of law enforcement had guns? Lots, but most likely concealed. So out of sight out of mind is okay

[spanone]

41. do you know how many people outside had guns?

[Madball]

45. Nope

and i don't care, the more the merrier

[AuntPatsy]

190. Now your just being obnoxious...I can carry legally but I will tell you this...

about half of my gun class should not be allowed a sharpened pencil....you would not be happy meeting one of them in the dark of night...their intent is to shoot first and ask questions later...truth...I could not believe that what was coming out of some of their mouths concerning hypothetical situations and yet...no problem...all they had to do is pass the written test and get at least half of their shots in the bulls eye...far too simple if you ask me..

[asdjrocky]

64. No, I don't know how many.

But I guess you do, so you tell me. How many guns?

[Madball]

96. More than

one

[asdjrocky]

101. And you know that.... how?

Do you read minds? Do you have x-ray vision? Don't tell me that those glasses you bought from the back of the comic book actually work.

You are a person with such a small mind, aren't you?

[CitizenPatriot]

172. that is pretty lame

it isn't a belief to carry a loaded weapon to see the POTUS. It's an action.

there are consequences for actions. This was an unwise choice. Arrested for posing a threat vs letting the far right extremists (whom we've been warned about both by deed and DHS and SS) express themselves? It's time for some people to grow up.

Express yourself all you want when you're not around a school, the president, etc. It's just absurd. Why did he need to have a gun? Exactly how was he threatened?

[AuntPatsy]

188. Are you truly that dense that you do not realize what his actions

were telling to others in this country? You do realize that President Obama has had to have secret service since he even began his run for the nations highest office, and not one presidential candidate has ever received the amount of death threats that not only he but his family has as well....

[AlinPA]

37. The asshole was standing there with a sign that advocates killing leaders,

has a gun on his hip and says his rights are being taken away? Stupidity.

[City Lights]

22. Can't read, eh?

Poor you.

[asdjrocky]

25. You don't have to be in the same room to kill someone with a gun.

Leave the guns at home shitheads. The secret service has enough guns for everyone at these events.

[Madball]

104. classic case of

my rights end where your feelings begin

[asdjrocky]

106. Classic case of you being a one note idiot.

[AuntPatsy]

187. what does that even mean?

[CrispyQ]

62. The people who wore anti-Bush tee shirts to Bush events, were even less of a threat,

yet they were treated more harshly than this guy.

A tee shirt vs. a gun, jeez, let me think about that for a minute. :eyes:

[Raineyb]

124. ...

[H2O Man]

175. Ass-troll-turf

[AuntPatsy]

191. lol never thought I would see you type such...

[kentuck]

5. K & R !

What would have happened if a "leftist" had shown up at a Bush event with the same sign and the same gun? Need we ask more?

[enough]

28. Or as Cenk was saying, what would have happened if the guy yesterday

had been wearing clothes or headgear suggesting he might be a Muslim?

[Hello_Kitty]

6. It's so simple, isn't it? K and R. eom

[MannyGoldstein]

7. Carrying Near A Presidential Event is Unbelievably Stupid

But it's not illegal.

I'm sure that a sniper or two and someone on the ground was tracking that pinhead every moment - one wrong move and things would be nasty. I was once staying in a hotel next door to the hotel the Chimperor was at. As I returned from an evening walk, I suddenly became aware that the local buildings had guys with rifles. Scary.

[WeDidIt]

18. IT should be illegal

and I'd support a law making it a federal felony with a ten year mandatory minimum.

[Statistical]

38. Then lobby for it BUT in the meantime it is legal.

The very idea that people are getting upset that someone did something that is legal is sad.
If you don't like it then make it illegal but don't get mad if it remains legal and someone follows the law.

[WeDidIt]

43. PErsonally, had the SS shot that asshole dead

I would have celebrated.

[Statistical]

65. You are sad.

Killing someone because they are an "asshole" is neither progressive nor something to be celebrated.

Rule of Law, it is a good concept. Under the rule of law you don't execute someone for not committing a crime.


Here is the flow chart
1) Someone does X
2) You (and others) think X is wrong.
3) Pass law making X illegal
4) Arrest people for doing X

Generally works best if you do it in that order not jump to step #4.

[WeDidIt]

76. IF the asshole had made a single move that was perceived to be pulling his gun

The Secret Service would have shot his dumb ass dead on the spot.

And they would have been lauded as heroes for doing it, too.

[Obamanaut]

135. wrong place

[spanone]

8. at least, detained for questioning...that did not happen

[WeDidIt]

9. This incident has altered my views on gun control laws

I used to oppose any attempts for new gun control laws.

Not any more.

[spirit of wine]

52. This may be one reason Obama wanted to do this

It may have appeared risky on the surface but with everyone watching him like a hawk the aftermath of people rethinking their ideas about what it means to have these "open" regulations should now give pause to reconsider the welfare of all of us regarding the 2nd amendment clause. This needs to be redone somehow, close up that damn language loophole with whatever it means about the militia may not apply to a person fitting this profile any longer. Screw the NRA!

[X_Digger]

12. Switch to decaf.. seriously. n/t

[GaYellowDawg]

16. I don't even drink coffee, fuck you very much. nt

nt

[ellie]

13. Exactly

As if there are no other amendments besides the second. My brother, who is retired from a career in the military, who has trained Blackwater mercs, who knows guns, and is a repuke, believes in strict gun control laws. There are too many fucking crazy people out there.

[Hekate]

132. Most police chiefs and many others in law enforcement also want strict gun control...

I can't believe some of the responses here. It's beyond defense of gun ownership (my son and my brother each own a gun) and into pure Trollery. I notice the one with a low post count has already been served his pizza, but others remain to carry on. ugh.

Hekate

[X_Digger]

139. Those are two very different groups..

'Police Chiefs' and 'many others in law enforcement' are quite different. Police Chiefs (or as one of our resident policemen likes to call them 'cop-o-crats') are usually political appointees, fairly far removed from actually dealing with criminals. They're administrators, for the most part.

'Others in law enforcement' are, in my and many others experience, firmly behind individual posession and concealed carry. My grandfather was a justice of the peace and then deputy sheriff for 35 years, and always carried a sidearm, long after he retired.

[Hekate]

142. Interesting. The Chiefs and Sheriffs here rise through the ranks before being appointed or elected

... to being Top Cop. Somehow I thought it was a job requirement to have actual experience in the field.
:shrug:

Hekate

[X_Digger]

148. True, but..

.. how likely is a political appointee to give his own opinion should it differ from their mayor? And how long does it take to get out of touch?

[Statistical]

180. They do but priorities change.

When you position or future promotion requires political blessing and the local politicians are anti-gun then you become anti-gun or you get replaced by someone who is.

[asdjrocky]

21. You said it good.

And my friend, I'm prepared to defend your position all day long in this thread if that's what I have to do.

[underseasurveyor]

24. Fuckin A

Yes:thumbsup:

[zipplewrath]

26. Technically

Technically, he didn't. He showed up on private property across the street, outside, no where near the president and with no "shot" at him. I understand your concern but at some point the guy isn't an immediate threat, just a provocative idiot looking for some attention. (Which by the way you are giving him in spades).

[Madball]

32. And for now

being an idiot is still with in our rights as long as know one gets hurt

[AlinPA]

44. "know one" gets hurt? What?

[Madball]

49. then you punish the person

how hard is that

[AlinPA]

53. I don't get "know one".

[PA Democrat]

66. Neither does he!

:rofl:

[AuntPatsy]

195. lol obviously

[asdjrocky]

59. See, we can always spot you guys because of your poor spelling and grammar.

What is it about being a freeper that makes it so hard to pick up a dictionary. Is it because the dictionary has too many words?

[underseasurveyor]

94. Watts a dictionary

:rofl:

[asdjrocky]

100. ...grinning...

[scheming daemons]

86. Sorry.... Not when it is near the President. And YOUR President, Bush, enforced "free speech zones"

...to protect his ass.


Can't have it both ways, freeper.

[AuntPatsy]

192. No, the attention he got that counted was the media, mission accompished...

Believe me, I have heard a few remarks today about how he should have used it..those threatening or wishing to threaten the president have now just had themselves a green light flashed into their nutty little minds and that you can count on was his intent period...I have a gun license as well, am legal but would NOT even attempt to pull such a stunt in this day and age and considering the hate against our commander in chief....


Your ignoring what he was obviously attempting...and du is not that big of a deal to discuss this issue but having him speak on public television....horrifying...he wanted to send a message..message received from the nut cases loud and clear..

[Statistical]

31. How about have the legislature pass laws making it illegal rather than...

getting made at people doing something that is lawful.

Even in the Heller decision the majority writes that the 2nd is subject to limits:
"Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms." - DC v. Heller (2008)

This isn't an issue of can there be limits. The NH legislature simply chose not to have limits and a citizen chose to exercise a right within the law. NH could easily pass a statute adding events containing a politician or political candidate as a "prohibited location".

It is the job of the legislature to pass laws making something illegal not the job of the citizen to guess what might be "defacto illegal".

[Ramsey121]

36. "fuck Thomas Jefferson"

Pretty much says it all for your post.

[asdjrocky]

42. What a foolish statement for you to make.

[Fire1]

46. Whatever floats your boat! n/t

[GaYellowDawg]

47. Way to take it out of context.

I said fuck him for that statement. Do you think that Jefferson was infallible? I think when he made that statement, he was indulging in stupid and inflammatory rhetoric. Jefferson is actually one of my favorite founders, and wrote many magnificent things - but not in this instance.

[Madball]

54. the guy was spot on 100%

of the time

[GaYellowDawg]

58. Really?

I think his slaves would have argued that one.

[mzteris]

77. you know that poster

doesn't give a rip about the slaves. Except maybe that there aren't any anymore. :puke:

[Madball]

99. We already fought

that battle and i agree with the outcome and last i checked he loved his slaves.

[mzteris]

112. so you do support slavery?

You said you supported Jefferson 100% of the time and then you said he loved his slaves . . .

so......................

[Quantess]

143. He probably meant Jefferson was super nice to his slaves.

Y'know, he did his slaves a great service by giving them jobs and a roof over their heads.

[Wednesdays]

145. I think he loved his slaves a little TOO much in some instances

TJ is my hero in many ways, but in that one area it's um...yeah.

[AuntPatsy]

197. dam you beat me to it...

[Fire1]

75. Go crawl back under your rock, neanderthal. n/t

[Hello_Kitty]

80. No one is right 100% of the time. eom

[PA Democrat]

72. Timothy McVeigh liked that TJ quote as well.

He was wearing a t-shirt with the tree of liberty quote when he was arrested for bombing the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building.

I'd bet Jefferson never dreamed there would be people who would use that quote as an excuse to commit acts of terrorism.

[Hekate]

133. McVeigh watered the Tree of Liberty with the blood of a whole day-care center, didn't he?

Proud patriot that he was.

Somehow I think Tom Jefferson never envisioned that brand of cowardice.

Hekate

[Hello_Kitty]

79. Appeal to Authority is the dumbest of all logical fallacies

TJ was not the ultimate arbiter of truth.

[MajorChode]

149. It has little to do with an appeal to authority fallacy

Furthermore, an appeal to authority is not always a fallacy.

What TJ said was perfectly sound. It's the dipshit gun toter's interpretation of it that's wrong. It's not tyrannical to give the people something the majority of them want, but I can certainly understand how a Ron Paul supporter would think otherwise.

[Dinger]

85. 1 Post, Whee!

:rofl:

[AuntPatsy]

194. why? Not sure you or anyone could accomplish such an act. considering

he is ummm resting..

[slackmaster]

40. With exceptions made for members of the Secret Service, local law enforcement, private security...

And the hypocrisy lives on.

[Fire1]

48. Ditto, big time! n/t

[liberal N proud]

50. I want to know why he isn't sitting in jail right now

Or shot by a sniper

[johnpatty]

63. Becuase he didn't break any laws.

[Wednesdays]

146. Interesting how this one gets tombstoned after one post

Yet there are others here saying the exact same thing getting off scot-free.
I don't get it. :shrug:

[Statistical]

69. Name the law he broke.

Generally speaking under rule of law you go to jail when you break the law.

[kentuck]

89. Disturbing the peace..

of the people that had gathered for a peaceful assembly.

[Statistical]

98. NH Modified General Law has no statute on "distrubing the peace".

It does have one for disorderly conduct but the attorney general (who is officially the chief law enforcement officer) has indicated that open carry does not constitute disorderly conduct.

Want to try again? :shrug:

[Kaleva]

90. Not supposed to arrest or kill folks who broke no law.

[aikoaiko]

57. best emotional benighted rant on the topic so far. 9 out 10.

He stayed within the bounds of the law. You don't like it, then work to change the law.

He wasn't a threat. The SS could have detained him if they thought he was a threat.

[Dinger]

61. 1,000 Recs From Ding

Would if I could anyway. Awesome post!:) :patriot: :yourock:

[DainBramaged]

78. What he said, and I'll add a fuck you for effect.

[Dinger]

81. Awww, I Like You : )

:pals:

[DainBramaged]

84. Shucks

:hug:

[nc4bo]

82. K&R! nt

[krabigirl]

87. Yep. I'm ready to leave this country...the nuts here scare me and I fear for my children.

I am really starting to hate this place.

[Name removed]

97. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[barbiegeek]

120. If you love your country FIGHT 4 it

Don't let these Pussies scare you. Fuck them. Exercise your 2nd Amendment right. If you love this country it has to be worth fighting for to defend it from these crazy thugs.

Running and empathy is how tyranny takes over.

[newtothegame]

88. Who is this being sent to? n/t

[Parker CA]

91. Excellent rant. K&R big time, GaYellowDawg!!

[Paladin]

92. Well Said, GYD. My Sentiments, Exactly. (n/t)

[Taverner]

93. I'm pro gun and I agree 100%

There is a time and place for guns

The time is not "always" and the place is not "everywhere"

[Hekate]

136. The time is not "always" and the place is not "everywhere": Amen, Taverner!

Christ on a trailer hitch, the Trollery is rolling today.

Hekate

[bertman]

95. This thread sounds like it could have come off a Right Wing website during Bush's reign.

Somebody did something around the President that the President's supporters didn't like, so even though what he did was NOT illegal, the fanatics are calling for him to be SHOT, KILLED, or both, or arrested.

How is that different from being a right-wing fascist who wants to take the law and turn it into what he wants it to be?


For those of you who have no understanding of the amount and nature of security around the President, it's very likely that quite a few of those bystander-looking types with casual summer attire who looked and acted like protestors or supporters were Secret Service. And they were armed. And they were ready to take down anyone who made a threatening move.

So, instead of being hysterical, irrational, screamers like the RightWingnuts I suggest we act like we understand what "the rule of law" actually means.

[Codeine]

102. Sadly, some of our friends on the Left

have discarded their values and are willing to sacrifice freedom for security. Didn't we just spend eight years fighting that mindset?! Now we have so-called "progressives" advocating imprisonment for disrupting political meetings and death for being in the same town as the President with a gun. :shrug:

[SIMPLYB1980]

103. If this idiot was not threating the President I might agree with you.

But he did whether people want to admit it or not. The only reason he gets to skate by is because Obama didn't want to make his stupid ass a martyr.

[bertman]

109. I believe the Secret Service is a bit more up to speed on what's "threatening" than you are.

[SIMPLYB1980]

114. I'm sure they are, and if this man had made a move for his

gun his dumb ass brains would have been plastered all over those people around him.

[bertman]

117. Probably multiple body hits. Too much potential for innocent bystanders getting hurt

with the headshot(s) in a crowd.

[SIMPLYB1980]

119. Probably a better way, but the end result is the same.

One extremely dead stupid person.

[Pavulon]

144. Nope 308 JAR.

someone would put a 168 grain BTHP round on through the tip of his nose (like rudolph the reindeer) which would have turned everything above the bottom jaw to a pulpy goo. He never would have heard the shot.

[bertman]

159. Another good possibility provided there were no human "obstructions".

[asdjrocky]

105. Thanks for the constitutional lecture that always comes from you on the topic of guns bertman.

There is what is legal, then there is what's right. Maybe you should ask Michelle or the girls what they think. But I guess you'll just say that's a crazy emotional response, right?

[bertman]

107. Thanks for the gross generalization, rocky. I knew I could count on you.

[asdjrocky]

111. No problem amigo. We're all in this together.

No reason I should think a guy walking around with a loaded gun in a bozo holster carrying around a sign that threatens the President is a threat.

Nothing to see here people, just move along.

Dude he's a bully, it's a bully tactic and it should be called out as one.

But I figure you and I are just going to disagree once again, right?

[bertman]

116. No. we only disagree on whether he's a threat. Everything else--bully, bully tactic,

should be called out on--I agree 100%. Chris Matthews did a pretty good job of the calling out. The SS did their job.

The guy will still be a bully and an exhibitionist. Maybe now he'll even be the new Joe the Plumber--Joe the Gunner??

Ciao, amigo.

[asdjrocky]

125. bertman, I could see us having a beer summit and one day becoming friends.

Thanks as always for the honest and vigorous discussion.

[bertman]

154. I'll drink to that, rocky!

O'Doul's for me.

[Hekate]

137. Hmmm. JFK was well-protected. Ronald Reagan was surrounded by SS. The list goes on...

... and on, and on.

All it takes is one jerk with a gun to wipe out the votes of millions of citizens. Democrat or Republican, guns in the hands of civilians have no place at town hall meetings, political rallies, or presidential events.

The OP may have been a bit over the top in how he expressed himself, but I tend to agree with his underlying sentiment.

Hekate

[bertman]

157. JFK was well-protected. Read "Best Evidence, Disguise and Deception in the Assassination

of JFK" by David Lifton, then tell me you really believe that.

Ronald Reagan was almost assassinated when WHO was his Vice President? Former CIA Director Poppy Bush. Son of Prescott Bush, Senator and traitor who tried to have FDR deposed by a violent coup. Father of the Emperor Dubya.

The SS, CIA, and FBI are part of the Praetorian Guard. They do the bidding of their masters and their masters are not the President or Congress.

[barbiegeek]

108. I'm Copying this and emailing it to my friends!

[Joe Fields]

110. Bravo and rec'd! I know of no other appropriate screed on this subject.

:toast:

[rd_kent]

113. You are right. But he didnt show up to see the president or go to the venue.

[TwilightGardener]

115. Giving a rec for that righteous rant.

[AspenRose]

118. Hot damn.

:applause: Well played.

[file83]

121. Wow, why don't you tell us what's really on your mind?

No seriously, don't hold back Mr. Vigilante Justice.
:eyes:

[tnlefty]

126. ...To be shot in the ass with a cannon.

Sorry, but this is an expression that comes up frequently in my household for people who do outrageous things.

[Kaleva]

127. Execution of those who obeyed the law?

The first guy didn't break any Federal or state law and that's why he wasn't arrested. The second guy did have pocket knife on him and his gun was in his car which I gather is illegal to do in New Hampshire without a license.

[Hekate]

128. .

:thumbsup:

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

130. i'm worried one of these republican terrorists is going to try and "martyr" themselves

in some absurd and blundering suicidal plot intended only to inflame and embolden their fellow lunatics,

[AuntPatsy]

198. It is definately why the gop is using the language that they have at their little

meetings.....and the faithful hear the cry...I'm worried too.

[lumpy]

131. I have a hunch the gun toter will have all government eyes

trained on him for a long time to come.

[thelordofhell]

138. How soon these geniuses forget

Let's say....3 years ago, someone did this same thing. What would have happened to the guy?

[Quantess]

141. Easy. He'd be in Gitmo

held without any formal charges, for an indefinite length of time.

[Dreamer Tatum]

140. He didn't commit a crime

So, sorry. Fail.

[Mrs. Overall]

177. Sorry, this was not a "Fail"--a "Fail" doesn't get 66 recommendations.

You failed.

[Dreamer Tatum]

183. A rec for every man, woman, and child in the USA still doesn't make it a crime

I get the sentiment, but the gun was lawful.

[DailyGrind51]

147. Prison!

[sellitman]

150. Anyone defending that moron's right to carry around the President should be shot on sight.

Just kidding... but you get the picture.

[madeline_con]

162. Maybe, but he wasn't "around the President".

[sellitman]

184. He wasn't attending a knitting class.

If bushco could put our side in "Free Amendment Zones" then this turkey and his security blanket can be sent far , far away.

[madeline_con]

185. Bush denied free speech so Obama should, too. Good idea. n/t

[sellitman]

199. A gun toting man isn't the same.

Don't play m for the fool.

[Uzybone]

152. Fuck you and your gun

Awesome. Should be my sigline.

[Pavulon]

155. That only applies to 50% of posters here.. so only half the forum will ignore you(nt)

[whistler162]

153. The bush is strong in this one!

[TexasObserver]

156. Recommend

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

158. The Secret Service didn't find him threatening.

[madeline_con]

160. "... a death threat to the President ..."

What death threat to the President? The guy obviously never made one, or he'd be in jail.

Fuck Thomas Jeffferson? That "stupid shit" was written about an oppressive monarchy. The fact that a bunch of assholes too stupid to come up with their own slogan use it does not make it bad.

[proteus_lives]

161. FUCK YOUR CAPS-LOCK

"And speaking of fuck you: fuck you, fuck your attitude that the Second Amendment somehow outranks all other rights, fuck the goddamn tree of liberty, and fuck Thomas Jefferson for writing that stupid shit. Water it with your own goddamn blood, you sorry sons of bitches, if you think it needs watering that badly, but you keep the fuck away from my President with your goddamn gun. "

Just another dumb-shit with too much emotion, ignorance and not enough knowledge.

You think the 2nd isn't important? You're not a Democrat, you're not a liberal. You're a passive fool who will be played like violin by the repugs.

[EFerrari]

163. What you said.

[kid a]

164. forwarded on...K&R

[Balbus]

165. Fuck me and my gun all you want.

I have the constitution on my side... Fucko.

[timmix9]

166. http://www.ar15.com/

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=912271

[WillyT]

167. Amen Brother... A-Fucking-Men !!!

:yourock:

:hi:

[ConnorMarc]

168. How much you guys wanna bet ...

...that if it were say 3 years ago, and a black dude doing the same thing in the same place with the former President, you'd be seeing a differnt song being sung by these gun supporters.

[Luminous Animal]

170. He wasn't AT the Presidential event.

And you are stupid.

[CitizenPatriot]

173. this thread was so long I forgot if this link was here

http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/politics/2009/08/12/william_kostric/index.html

this guy wasn't right in the head. or he was so right he's wrong.

how come the right to bear arms is taken as sacred over all other rights? I own a gun, but this is ludicrous. Other people have a right to feel reasonably safe going to hear their president speak.

the idea of the SS shooting this guy as he stood next to children or whoever is not exactly comforting. Why does his right to carry overcome all other rights? What the fuck happened to common sense?

I get it that it's legal to carry. But when you add the sign in and the history of the sign, you have suspicious intent. But by all means, his right to carry and say whatever he wants should override every other person's right to peacefully assemble. /s what I'm saying is I'm sick of this attitude that the 2nd is the holy, sacred right to be revered above all others. THe thinking behind it was not so crazy, possibly treasonous people could carry weapons around our President...and since the POTUS hasn't himself done anything worthy of being overthrown by crazies, I'm hard pressed to see the logic. Defending the second has become it's own weird religion, with no relationship to the original intent.

[Mythsaje]

174. Good thinking...

Only, well, they didn't arrest him. So obviously the SS disagrees with you. Which, in my book, is rather weird, but... :shrug:

Bush's SS arrested people for their tee-shirts, Obama's doesn't arrest people for showing up at presidential events with sidearms. How does THAT make sense?

[Vidar]

176. K&R

[cleveramerican]

178. Release the secret service radio crosstalk

let the public and any would be imitators hear the shit storm that swirled around this guy.
Let them hear how this guy was half a second away from dead, shot through the head.

[Statistical]

179. Watch a lot of movies?

He wasn't a half a second from anything.
He had no line of sight to the President and never would.

The secret service tends to be proactive no reactive.
Rather than put the President in a lethal situation and then hope a sniper kills in in half a second and nothing goes wrong.....
they simply make sure the President is never in that situation to begin with.

[cleveramerican]

181. I guarantee he was in somebody's sights

president or no president.
like you said pro active.
He was half a second away from dyeing.

[Statistical]

182. Have fun with that. n/t

[sofa king]

193. ...the comfy chair!

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

[TheKentuckian]

196. I'm pro gun as it gets but bringing them to political events is fucking stupid

You are making it clear that you came to a battle of ideas prepared for a martial one.
Courts and political events depend on operating on a different level.
The display of arms is worse than the possession of them because you are in contradiction of what holds those institution together.

The display says I am prepared to go to the law of the jungle if things break the wrong way. You aren't in the motherfucking street, if you always act like it is then we can't operate based on law. This is no different than some "Hoss" and his boys coming to a trial packing with the intent of saying Billy is walkin' out a free man one way or the other.
When you bring arms to political events that is also the statement, that the deck is stacked. The outcome is decided on your end, you didn't come for a debate, to support, or to protest. You came as muscle.

My way or the highway is utterly incompatible with what we're trying to do here.