The fundamental difference on Health care.

[Klukie]

I really believe that the debate boils down to whether you believe that health care is a right or a privilege. To me it is a right and to many on other side it is a privilege. I think their basic fear can be reduced to their perceived notion that they are going to lose the ability to pay for something that other may not have the money to do so. Kill or be killed mentality so to speak. Those on the right tend to look out for their own interests and we look out for the interests of the nation as a whole.

[elocs]

1. Republicans have the YOYO (You're On Your Own) philosophy.

They spend a lot of time worrying and getting wound up about somebody getting anything they do not believe is deserved. They resent anything done by the government in spending taxes unless it directly benefits them. It's the same with healthcare as with anything else with them.

[Klukie]

2. Agreed...

they also have the "Pull yourself up from the bootstraps mentality" but fail to recognize that all of society wasn't given an even playing field from which to begin. They refuse to have compassion or empathy.

[elocs]

3. This is the totally false as well as unbiblical notion of

"God helps those who help themselves". If you can help yourself, then why do you need God?

Their lack of compassion and empathy is staggering. It seems to be either "they brought it on themselves" or "lock 'em up". No, people don't deserve help if they are undeserving, but when they need help it is a different story.

[Klukie]

4. I couldn't agree more and ...

If they are going to use god/religion as mask for their own selfish extension of cowardice it needs to be exposed and turned back on them with phrases such as WWJD and Love others as you would love yourself. I guess these ideas escaped them during their sunday school service.

[trof]

5. The fundamental difference on Health care is Obama's skin color.

Period.

[Klukie]

6. For some it most defiantly is ....

but I don't think it is the ultimate common bond. I know plenty of republicans that are not racists, but I can't think of any willing to put the greater good of society above their own self interests.

[tinrobot]

11. Exactly.

[iamjoy]

7. It's A Responsibility

To me, health care should be a shared responsibility by society.

I support mandates for care. The reason is, you can't have young and healthy people opting out so the only people paying in to the system are old and/or sick. That's not sustainable. I do think that cost should be based on income so it is not an onerous burden on anyone.

If you don't want granny to die, you have to help pay for her care.

[Klukie]

10. Very good distinction

may I use that? That lends more credence to the thought that those on the right only feel a responsiblty to themselves.

[iamjoy]

15. Yes, But Be Careful

Some people might think this whole idea of "shared responsibility of society" sounds like >gasp< socialism

[justgamma]

8. Healthcare is a right.

When you are sick and go to the emergency room, they must treat you. That is the rule. If healthcare is not a right, then they could refuse to treat you if you can't pay the costs up front. End of story.

[Klukie]

12. is that a state law or more on the order of the Hippocratic oath?

I am asking sincerly....no snark here.

[justgamma]

14. No snark taken

I don't really know which. But isn't that what Shrub said? I had just always heard that.

[Wednesdays]

9. K&R

:kick:

[tinrobot]

13. It's not about health care anymore.

It's about ginning up fear and hatred in lower class uneducated people to further the goals of the rich bastards who rip off those very same people.