Should Imus quit helping sick black kids at his ranch?

[King Coal]

I mean since he is such a terrible bastard now, what right does he have doing good? Wouldn't it be a double standard for him to help little black kids that are sick with cancer after the horrible racist remarks he made about the basketball players? Or should we just recognize that double standard exists and "get over" it too? There is no crying in baseball and no forgiveness in basketball. Just because he is a good man as far as helping sick kids go, doesn't give him any right to claim that he is a good man who did a bad thing as far as making fun of people who should not be made fun of. What does he think we are anyway? Some kind of Christians or something? Shit no, off with his head! Fire his ass.

:sarcasm:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. How about he give all of his money to charity.

And go live under a bridge somewher.

What, am I suppose to believe his tax write offs make him a good person?

[HereSince1628]

9. He belongs in a...VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Meanwhile if you lie, waste a trillion dollars on an illegal war and get a half million people killed and another million displaced you get to live rent free with people of various hues as house servants at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

[Firepit 462]

53. Chris Farley kicked ASS..........nt

[LiberalVoice]

2. I'm not a christian.

Whats your point?

[surratt616]

38. I am a Christian

I do not know what being a Christian or not has to do with being a racist. I am an aunt to a freshman on NC State's women's basketball team. I know how hard these student athletes work from very young ages to be in the position to play on these NCAA teams. I know how hard I worked so female athletes would have the same opportunity to be student athletes as male student. Imus and I are the same age and I know he knows how hard It has been for black women to get to this position in America. For an old white man in his position to let something like that come out of his mouth on national tv is outrages and what he needs is an old fashioned ass whipping in addition to losing his job. You don't have to be a Christian to know wrong when you see it. We black people suspect that large numbers of white people speak like that among themselves. Imus just forgot where he was.

[roguevalley]

40. I agree with you, surratt616. totally.

as for the original sarcastic question above, what a cheap shot.

[proud2BlibKansan]

48. "an old fashioned ass whipping "

You got that right!
:rofl:

[Ecumenist]

54. Amen, Surratt616!!

I'm an Mixed descent Black woman and know that SOME whites talk like this when they think they're in safe company. As it applies to being a Christian, being a racist is in DIRECT CONTRADICTION to the creed and belief. Most people are what my mom called "Sunday Morning Christians" who are holy and loving for about 8 hours on Sunday, raising hell the other 7 days, 16 hours. Talk is cheap and just saying that one is a Christian means nothing if they don't live the way we're supposed to.

[roguevalley]

59. well said, ecumenist. I am tired of the notion that if you are

christian, you must be an asshole.

[kestrel91316]

62. About this part:

".....what he needs is an old fashioned ass whipping in addition to losing his job......"

He sure does. And I'd be happy to do the whuppin' personally. Though that honor does rightfully belong to black women, and I'm a white woman.

I hope his career is RUINED by this and he dies a lonely old man.

[Lerkfish]

3. Should people quit defending racist assholes now?

I mean, how else we to show how enlightened we is less'n we defend the right of racist assholes to perform their free speech?

:sarcasm:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

20. But, but, good deeds give you mulligans!

I donated some money to the March of Dimes last month. I get to call at least one person a racist slur because of that, right? :sarcasm:

[bryant69]

4. This isn't a Christian Website

Not that it's anti Christian or anything, just that a large minority if not the majority do not hold to Christianity.

In two months when he rips Bush on something or other, we'll all forgive him. Probably.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[KingFlorez]

5. Give me a break

I don't care who he helps or how much money he gives to charity, that doesn't excuse his racism. And a lot of people give to charity for all the wrong reasons, Imus might do it just to make himself look good.

[King Coal]

25. It's not about being excused, it's about being forgiven.

[roguevalley]

57. I believe charity means more when its not publicized. He can continue

to do what is right this way. No one is saying otherwise. I just don't believe I have to hear what he does right when he does wrong. Even awful people can do right. Doesn't mitigate or change when they are wrong. I am sure Bush does good things once in a while. Uh, well, maybe not ... But he's still an asshole. You know, I think he is totally in a class by himself. If he licked the streets of New Orleans clean with his tongue and raised SIDS babies from the dead, he would still be totally an asshole.

[Dora]

6. He doesn't have to stop his charitable acts.

But he does need to stop taking pay for being a racist blowhard who won't learn a lesson even when it's hanging onto his jewels like a snapping turtle.

It's time for him to stop being a celebrity and just be a man.

[tgnyc]

7. No. he should spend every day for the rest of his life on that ranch, and off the radio.

[Connie_Corleone]

8. Yet, another "white man does good things for black people" thread.

[Karenina]

12. We've had a number of them here

trumpeting their... whatever.

[KG]

10. no, he can help kids AND stop being a racist, mysogenistic, insulting asshole.

i heard he can chew gum and walk at the same time, so this other stuff ought to be a breeze. :hi:

[Captain Hilts]

29. That's a great idea! Imus stops being a racist, mysogenistic jerk. nt

[katsy]

11. He helps sick black children so slandering women is okay?

Are those my choices?

What if that slander is an actionable tort? Should helping sick black children give him immunity for slander?

How about this:

He should keep helping sick black children but maybe he should not get a tax break for this good deed and spend more time helping these children after he's fired. Would that work for him? Would he be okay with that?

[Bluebear]

46. Excellent post. nt

[no_hypocrisy]

13. Keep what Imus said and his private life separate and apart.

I don't want to see the charity used as "penance" for his bad judgment and bad attitude, or have him stop his support in order to be consistent with "new and improved" Imus.

[blondeatlast]

14. Since he seems to love it so much, how 'bout he helps kids of all colors full-time?

And stop dulling us to hatred and spewing vomit all over the airwaves?

[Bluebear]

47. Wonderful post. He can go into full time charity work.

Since he is so good and stuff.

[Tom Joad]

15. No, he should be able to devote more time to this endeavor now.

its not about imus, its about promoting racism over the airwaves.
whether imus is "good" or not has NEVER been the issue.

[Fresh_Start]

16. Almost every criminal in the world sometimes does

good or loving things. Maybe they love their mom. Maybe they love their children. Maybe they recycle.
Its doesn't negate the bad things they do.

You're assuming that because he does some good things, he can't do evil things?
I'm fairly sure Bush loves his dog a little, do you feel better about Iraq, 9/11, and NOLA now?

[verse18]

17. Of course,

all those poor ill children should suffer because Imus is a racist, sexist piece of shit. :sarcasm:

[BronxBoy]

18. Well....

If it's a charitable act, what would this situation have to do with his continuing that work no matter what the color of the people he's helping?

[NormanYorkstein]

19. I'm boycotting anyone advertising on Imus' show

I suggest others do the same.

[Missy M]

22. Another way is not tuning in to the Imus show.....

I never have and never will. He would be gone soon enough then.

[stellanoir]

21. He should do more of it a quit bragging about it incessantly and reveal

exactly what percentage of funds raised actually go to helping groups of 20 kids a few times a year.

He's got donations, profits from his wife's books, cleaning products, and foods. Where does it all go?

[Canuckistanian]

23. He should do MORE charity work

To atone for his atrocious behavior.

AND he should lose his job.

[DinahMoeHum]

24. I don't believe in living human saints, so Imus's philanthropy

(such as it is) does not impress me. If anything, it makes me more suspicious.

:shrug:

[King Coal]

30. Sorry to hear that. You must be miserable.

[DinahMoeHum]

42. The fact that Imus does charity work does NOT make up for the fact

that he is a pig and a douchebag. One has nothing to do with the other.

If you want to give money to kids with cancer, go for a charity that doesn’t use sexism, racism, and homophobia as gimmicks to raise funds.

:grr:

[gaspee]

26. Sure

Because all he did was call an accomplished group of young women "hos"

Big fucking deal, right?

Imus has always been a sexist pig with some racism thrown in. He deserves to be fired. The only way that will happen is if his sponsors all quit on him.

The sheer number of white men on DU who support Imus shouldn't suprise me, but it does. It really shouldn't since sexism is just as bad on this site as any other out there.

[King Coal]

34. The telling fact that you assume I'm white does surprise me.

[verse18]

37. Are you?

[gaspee]

41. Whatever

I'm not assuming you're white. I'm assuming DU, as a whole, is predominantly white.

[Bluebear]

49. I am white and male.

And Imus along with his apologists are disgraceful.

[Beaverhausen]

27. He needs a few sessions of sensitivity training

and he should keep helping kids.

[WinkyDink]

28. Helping people doesn't = "Get Out of Jail" card for racists.

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. BAD argument, KC. What he said was WRONG. Period. His previous life doesn't matter.

If the man had an ounce of class, he would have resigned, but we already know he has no class because of what he said.

[Bake]

32. As one who has watched Imus on MSNBC over coffee for a good long while

And NO, I'm not going to defend what he did. It was terrible, horrible, wrong, and inexcusable. But there has been much blanket condemnation from people who have never even seen or heard his program and otherwise know nothing about him.

He has, however, used his program as a vehicle for raising literally millions of dollars for autism research, for cancer research, for the disabled vets, and many other causes. He is able to do this because of his program and because a lot of powerful politicians, journalists, businesspeople, etc. come on his show. That doesn't earn him a free pass, but it's a factor in the whole situation.

First, if you get him fired, that vehicle goes away; so a lot of good work is NOT going to be done. So think about what you're doing in calling for a boycott or calling for him to be fired. "Beware what you ask for, you just might get it." He has said he can change; I think he is sincere and am willing to give him the chance to do so, demonstrably.

And that's about all I have to say about the Imus situation.

Bake

[Raven]

33. Yes, fire his ass. How many philanthropists do we alll know who

were fucking robber barons? What turnip truck did you fall off of? Philanthropy is the last refuge of scoundrals. The man's mouth has done more damage than his wallet has done good.

[BeyondGeography]

35. The tax and PR benefits are what it's all about for I'm-an-ass

Plus he uses all of that goodwill to justify his consistently awful behavior on his show (which is how he earns his money).

It's nice that Imus feels compelled to do some good to justify the outrageous amount of money he makes and the manner in which he makes it, but "a good man" is not what I'd call him. His good works are at the core a means to a less-than-charitable end.

[WhollyHeretic]

36. Exactly how many bigoted comments does he have to make before people are allowed to be fed up?

[King Coal]

39. Just one. Actually, you can be fed up at zero if you want.

[izzie]

43. Imus is getting old news. Frankly he is sort of normal

and some times does good things and some times bad. I would take this with as little fuss as one can. It is not like he has spent his life always being mean. He does a lot of nice things also. He is only a talk show guy. what is this silly fuss about any how? My God I can not even take the for ever hate Ann Coulter puts out and no one goes after her like they have Imus for a silly thing he said and seems to feel bad about.

[Bluebear]

44. "what is this silly fuss about any how" --how dare you??

He called 10 talented women barely out of high school whores on national TV, that's what the silly fuss is.

[Karenina]

52. BUT he helped 10 kids and blew his own horn about doing so!!!!

:spank: Get wit da PROGRAM, Bluebear!!!! FAIR is FAIR!

[Bluebear]

55. Silly me.

And they were black! And sick!

[izzie]

65. Ever hear Rush and what he calls Dem? These are people

who just do these things that we do not take as meaning much of any thing. If I got up tight about how women were talked about I would not even turn on the TV/radio any more. You just put it in the place it should go, stupid remarks by people who do not know any better and think they are smart. I do come from other age so it maybe that I have heard it so long that I have stopped getting up tight about it and have a place in my brain that I put those things. My children. who are middle age, say I was always to opened minded about the world. I also never cared what people said about me and my Friends used to say that was odd but who cared. I knew who I was. These girls know who they are so why so much fuss. Imus has shows his colors years ago.

[terisan]

56. Let him do his good/bad things off prime radio real estate. No problem.

Ann Coulter does not have a prime time CBS radio show.

When Imus goes after people who are not as rich and powerful as he is, he is a bully. Let him make fun of himself or rich , powerful wasps. Even when he went after the rich CBS owners, he did it on the basis they were Jewish.

I could see a lot of humor in making fun of an old rich white guy who dresses up like a cowboy. Where are the real comedians when you want them? (Sigh)

[izzie]

67. Imus is such a wimp that I guess it is what makes his show

some thing to hear in place of c-span. Some days it was fun. I liked the people he talked to any how. I will be back to c-span 100 percent of my morning for sure. I have worked at home for years and c-span aways played in the background. I turned into Imus as a new thing and it was a brake but so be it. The other morning shows are just to silly. Imus is a cowboy like Bush but I will say he has got on a horse. :hi:

[Cha]

45. Strawman..and

fuck imus.

[Bluebear]

58. Elegant.

:toast:

[peacetalksforall]

50. Are you kidding? He runs this ranch - he CAN'T make it only available

to caucasian children. But, he can be a hypocrite and he is. No person who is well intentioned keeps up the smears against women and races for years on end just to please an audience? It is him. It's at his core. It's Bernard's core. Except Imus tells us what a good person he is and Bernard doesn't tell us how good he is.

[theboss]

51. I've always felt that ranch needs to be investigated

He got donors to spend gazillions of dollars to build himself a house and then he gets sick kids to do the work there. Something about this whole deal strikes me as odd.

[roguevalley]

61. the market place will take care of Imus. When the ads are gone, so

is he. Who is to blame? I would think the wanker with the mouth is. People's outrage is their own business and its nice to see people aroused by bad behavior. As for Imus' career, he was sitting under a sword of damacles of his own making. if he gets hurt by it, he has only to look in the mirror.

[mduffy31]

68. It was investigated by Eliot Spitzer and everything was on the up and up

and don't tell me Spitzer was bought off because if you know anything about him, and his record, you would see that he couldn't be bought by anyone.

[Marrah_G]

60. Oh good, another Imus thread, we haven't had enough of those.

[SoCalDem]

63. Imus should do whatever he wants to do.

He just has to accept the accolades or brickbats, depending on the reaction to HIS actions....just as we all do.

If you go into work and come up with a brilliant concept & save your company a ton of money, you'll get kudos...but a week later those people might just fire you if they find out you have been emailing pictures of your butt to people in the company..

TWO THINGS CAN BE TRUE AT ONCE...ABOUT THE SAME PERSON.

[sallyseven]

64. I must have watched him on a bad

about 7 years ago. He was a jerk then and so I never tuned in again. I don't think I ever missed anything.

[Bridget Burke]

66. Wouldn't it be better for him to devote himself full time to Good Works?

If the people who hired him think he's a losing prospect, they'll fire him. Let's hope he's saved up.