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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 08:02 PM
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Bolton Decries Release Of Euna Lee And Laura Ling
While the United States is properly concerned whenever its citizens are abused or held hostage, efforts to protect them should not create potentially greater risks for other Americans in the future. Yet that is exactly the consequence of visits by former presidents or other dignitaries as a form of political ransom to obtain their release. Iran and other autocracies are presumably closely watching the scenario in North Korea. With three American hikers freshly in Tehran's captivity, will Clinton be packing his bags again for another act of obeisance? And, looking ahead, what American hostages will not be sufficiently important to merit the presidential treatment? What about Roxana Saberi and other Americans previously held in Tehran? What was it about them that made them unworthy of a presidential visit? These are the consequences of poorly thought-out gesture politics, however well-intentioned or compassionately motivated. Indeed, the release of the two reporters -- welcome news -- doesn't mitigate the future risks entailed.


more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/05/bolton-decries-release-of_n_251697.html

What a butt nugget
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 08:05 PM
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1. Bolton goes into clinical depression over any act that lessens the chances of war, death and mayhem.
Wouldn't you just love to drag him up and down the steps of the UN building by his silly-ass moustache?


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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 08:12 PM
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4. Did you see him on Jon Stewart?
Edited on Wed Aug-05-09 08:13 PM by wroberts189

I was in a store and only saw a little but every word was like "bomb nuclear Iran"

I was not even looking and I am thinking who is this nut job promoting nuclear war, mid-east domination, and fear?

Then I looked ...oh its that dude from Bugs Bunny .."Yosemite Sam" Bolton.

I cannot believe we (bush) sent him to the UN.

Its time this guys fame was over.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 09:28 PM
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16. yeah he never pauses to show how stupid he is
Since he is never right... why does he have a never ending forum from which to speak. It really disgusts me that the media loves to air the views of those that have a proven record of not being worth listening too.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 08:06 PM
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2. Does anyone care what he thinks?
Anyone who doesn't pay him?
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 08:07 PM
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3. He just exposed himself as a loony. What a dumb thing to say. nt



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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 08:14 PM
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5. Bolton ""It would further our agenda if they'd just behead the hostages."
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 08:15 PM
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6. "When John Bolton saw Bill Clinton go to North Korea, his penis got a little bit smaller."...
"And that's really what it's about."

http://www.eschatonblog.com/2009/08/not-point.html
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 08:19 PM
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7. What an asshole. n/t
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 08:48 PM
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8. What an asshole !
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 08:49 PM
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9. Shit stain....seems an appropriate name for Bolton. n/t
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 08:54 PM
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10. Poor Johnny! Bubba ruined Bolton's dream of a war with N. Korea!
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 09:02 PM
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11. Don't be jealous!
Clinton = former leader of the free world, still a rock star. :thumbsup:
Bolton = wiped Budya's ass after 'poopsies'. :eyes:
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BirminghamExaminer Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 09:06 PM
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12. I heard him on NPR today. He all but said that we lost ground by
using diplomacy. He's trying to survive I guess by trying to appear less conservative and more centrist but he obviously can't keep up the facade as he showed on NPR today.
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Feron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 09:07 PM
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13. I'll agree with the first sentence.
However I don't see how this particular rescue effort endangers Americans. Different situations require different tactics.

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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 09:21 PM
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14. His opinions are his opinions--useless except to feed
his narcissism.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 09:23 PM
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15. i just left a big steaming pile of bolton in the bathroom.
butt nugget is right
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 09:36 PM
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17. I'm not surprised
Yesterday, when this story broke one of my first reactions was to wonder how the RWers would turn this into a negative. It didn't take long for them to come up with a spin.

A visit by a former President hardly counts as some kind of political ransom. What did NK really gain by this? Not much. Kim Jong Il may think he saved face but he really just came out looking petty and cruel. This was a win for the US.

Kim got his picture taken with Clinton, which in the grand scheme of things really isn't worth that much. We got our people back. How that is a bad thing is beyond me.

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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 09:41 PM
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18. Phoney baloney from a phoney looney.
Edited on Wed Aug-05-09 09:57 PM by moondust
The only annoyance in this is that the vain little dictator will use the photo ops as propaganda for his own people to enhance his own standing. But the rest of the world knows full well that's what he's doing and that it means nothing outside North Korea.


Nevertheless, I would strongly discourage anybody contemplating travel anywhere near a world "hot spot" from going there thinking they may create an international incident and have Bill Clinton come to their rescue and then get rich writing a book or making a movie about it. Or for any other reason.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 09:51 PM
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19. Every time I see John Bolton
I am shocked by the memory that not long ago he was actually one of the people in charge of running our country. What a bad dream.
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 11:04 PM
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20. More words of wisdom from Yosemite Sam n/t
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Moral Compass Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 11:50 PM
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21. The Bolton School of Diplomacy
What John will not ever admit and the media will never point out is the utter success of the Bolton school of diplomacy vs. the results from the Clinton years and the incompetent work of Madelaine Al bright.

During the Clinton administration the U.S. was fully engaged with North Korea and eventually with a great deal of patience and substantial food aid during a massive famine was able to get the North Koreans to terminate their nuclear weapons program. In fact, the North Koreans allowed the IA EA full access to their nuclear facilities and acceded to having remote cameras installed in the most sensitive areas of the facilities where they were beginning to produce weapons grade enriched uranium.

In return for substantial aid and a softening of the normal U.S. tone toward North Korea the North Korean government stopped pursuing the manufacture of a nuclear weapon and slowed the work on missile delivery systems.

This state of affairs remained the status quo until the end of the Clinton presidency. The truce was uneasy and the N. Koreans were caught cheating a few times, but according to the IA EA they had indeed stopped development of nuclear arms. Things were not anywhere close to perfect as the N. Koreans had been implicated in the selling of both weapons plans and the fuel to make them to Pakistan during the whole A. K. Khan flap.

But dealing with North Korea is never easy. A sane government will take their victories where they can find them.

Enter the Bush administration and with this new president, John Bolton. The Bolton school of diplomacy in a nutshell is to cut off all communication with any regime that isn't behaving the way he and the administration he works for thinks they should behave. John Bolton was given a key role in negotiations with North Korea and very quickly determined that this was a regime that could not be negotiated with in any way. Shortly after Bush named North Korea one of the three members of the "Axis of Evil" --Mr. Bolton said some other inflammatory things to the press and caused an international incident. He was, in fact, sent home by his boss but gave numerous interviews after his return to the U.S. that only fanned the flames of mutual suspicion and distrust.

Since Bush seemed to have a personal animus toward Kim Il Jong there was no apparent punishment levied against John Bolton. In fact, he was placed front and center and allowed to rattle the extremely impotent U.S. saber. No one, not even John Bolton, was suggesting that we attack or invade North Korea. So, it was all just sound and fury.

However, all talks broke down and North Korea expelled the IA EA inspectors and turned off the cameras in the uranium enrichment facilities and announced that they were reactivating their breeder reactor. In 24 months John Bolton with the full support of Bush and Cheney had undone the diplomatic work of eight years that had kept North Korea out of the nuclear arms club.

For this incredible accomplishment John Bolton was nominated the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations where he was able to successfully use his novel diplomatic tactics of aggressive insults and cutting off all communication with the other members of the Axis of Evil Iran.

Iran, who at the time repeatedly signaled their willingness to negotiate key aspects of their nuclear program was instead derided, dismissed, and threatened with invasion. A threat that was obviously an empty one since the U.S. military was currently completely bogged down in a guerrilla war of attrition in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

In response to this brilliant ploy Iran expanded and accelerated their nuclear program with the assistance of Russia who we had completely pissed off by expanding NATO into Eastern Europe (right on Russia's borders) and forging an agreement with Poland to install a missile defense system (again on Russia's border) to ostensibly protect against Iranian nuclear missiles targeted at someone. Maybe the US. Maybe Germany. Since the missiles don't yet exist there is great uncertainty about that. However, Russia's a bit upset since the proximity of these anti-missile missiles could conceivably give the U.S. a first strike capability that we've never had before.

Bolton, who couldn't make it through Senate confirmation hearings because his own party thought he was a bit too crazy to be our U.N. ambassador was made U.N. ambassador via a recess appointment by Bush. Our press was mercifully silent on Bolton's abrasive actions while serving in this post (for which he couldn't be paid due to the lack of Senate confirmation), but even cursory reading of foreign new sources revealed that he still had the diplomatic skills of a Prussian Junker.

In particular, he continued to attack Iran at every opportunity with accusations that an Iranian nuclear device was imminent even though there was every evidence to the contrary.

Sometime during Mr. Bolton's tenure at the U.N. North Korea announced an underground nuclear weapon test thus proving the efficacy of simply ignoring the crazy bastards. Well, we showed them.

The world breathed a sigh of relief that the test was a failure and the device failed to explode. However, they've continued to work toward a nuclear arsenal and the next test was a limited success. North Korea has also been provocatively testing a variety of short and long range missiles capable of carrying explosive payloads at least as far as Japan. Hitting Seoul would be quite simple.

So, in a few short years the Bolton school of diplomacy resulted in a vastly stronger Iran that probably will be able to produce a nuclear weapon in the next few years, a fully isolated North Korea that has developed a nuclear weapon and has the means to deliver one within Asia, and a renewed cold war with Russia (who is not enjoying the aggression of the U.S. in areas geographically adjacent to its core territory and sphere of influence).

The Obama administration is trying to restart diplomatic efforts with Iran, North Korea, and Russia. They are having some success, but progress is bound to be slow.

But Bolton is still out there touting the same kind of approach which has proven to be the most incredibly abject failure in the history of international diplomacy. And he keeps getting air time. After all, he now works for that august body of strategic thought--the American Enterprise Institute. A group that is in competition with Bill Kristol to see who can be wrong about pretty much everything all of the time. Thank god these guys are funded by right wing wacko billionaires. If they had to actually make a living based on the accuracy of their predictions they'd all be living under bridges.

John Bolton, god bless his empathic soul, thinks that the U.S. should have just let those young women rot in jail in North Korea because dealing with North Korea at all shows some sort of national weakness. Never mind that the negotiations to secure the release of these hostages (and that is what they were) was done outside of official channels by a the President who had had the most success negotiating with Pyongyang since the Armistice was signed.

It just goes to show you that Bolton's view of his own colon never changes and intelligent thought is as foreign to him as is the notion of diplomacy.

You gotta love this guy.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 11:59 PM
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22. From a STRICT theory of hostage negotiations he MIGHT have a point
see sentence number one.

But gee golly John, does that mean that if you end up as a hostage in a bank robbery we should tell SWAT to back off? I mean... every time we negotiate with hostage takers we run the risk of encouraging bad behavior in the future.

But I am sure John knows this already. So tell you what John, if you ever find yourself in that situation perhaps we should NOT negotiate to gain YOUR release... I mean, we do not want to encourage the bad guys.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 12:02 AM
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23. Fuck that asshole and freakshow of a
Fear FActor.:scared:fuckingcowards:scared:
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 12:27 AM
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24. Worst case of blueballs in history
If Bolton doesn't get his nut with a war, any war, soon, he's gonna start raping the furniture.

After Obama whacked the Somali pirates, the erotic frisson of that little tease had Bolton dragging his aching loins into TV studios, begging for the big hunka-chunka, a coalition war with Somalia:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiVa8OrqV_M

His desperate need for martial poon is really gross to watch. Fucking greasy pervert.
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