I thought Lawrence O'Donnell gave congressman Doggett a hard time.

[Peregrine Took]

He (O'Donnell)seemed to be of the opinion that Doggett was not sensitive enough to the concerns of the Blue Dogs.

Huh? It seems from the clips I saw from his town hall meetings this guy has been put through hell by the nutbags in that they pursued him from meeting to meeting making discussion impossible.

O'Donnell has gone way down in my book. I bet Ed would be ashamed of him if he saw the show today.

[pacalo]

1. Can you give an example of what O'Donnell said in defense of the 'Dogs?

[Peregrine Took]

3. Doggett made a reference to the "nonsense" that the Blue Dogs were

spouting about the public option.

Then O'Donnell said he was surprised to hear Doggett use the term "nonsense" as it lacked the sensitivity that Doggett should uitilize being a Democrat in a rethuglican state like Texas.

[BlooInBloo]

2. It worked out well though in the end. If a *Texas* Democrat says the blue dogs are nonsense...

Then you know it's nonsense.

[Laelth]

4. O'Donnell doesn't understand Texas.

Austin is a very liberal city. Doggett's seat is safe, and he can say whatever he wants about the blue dogs.

Including the following:



:dem:

-Laelth

[Gabi Hayes]

5. he understands just fine. he was Moynihan's right hand man back during the 90s.

if you recall, Moynihan was one of the aholes on the senate finance committee back then, and he provided the MODEL for what that jag Baucus is doing today (trying to appease Grassley), by throwing in with Bob Dole, of all people, who had clearly set his sites on the 96 election, which obviated any possibility of pug cooperation.

Moynihan had his own priorities (destroying 'welfare'), and he used his chairmanship to screw the Clinton plan almost as badly as the corpowhores did.

ODonnell sat at his knee, learning the power politik game. he knows very well what's going on, and, in many ways, he's just as much a DINO as Moynihan was

it's all easily researched

Obama is getting reamed almost the same way Carter did (Carter even moreso, as he didn't have a clue that his own party was out to get him from the beginning. he realized too late that the dems were just as much in the pocket of big oil and all the other special interests).

ask yourself why Carter's first big nomination (Ted Sorenson for DCIA) didn't even make it to the senate FLOOR for a vote, even though they had a 61-39 majority in 77.

see Liberty Under Siege, by Walter Karp for the best explanation of how dems like Tip ONeill, Jim Wright, Moynihan, Scoop Jackson (the leadership, IOW) torpedoed Carter, at the behest of their own special-interest-driven agendas

the blue dogs and other DINOs are going to sink this presidency if he doesn't slap them down, and allowing them to recess is by FAR the worst decision he's made. really, really bad judgment, cause even though not much will happen, the PR negatives are going to be hugh, as pugs will not stop talking about it for as long as it helps them.

[Laelth]

6. That makes sense, and I agree with your assessment of what the blue dogs are doing.

I did not know O'Donnell was a blue dog operative, nor was I aware of his past connections to prominent party members. Thanks for that insight.

:dem:

-Laelth

[Gabi Hayes]

8. at the rate the opponents are spending against HC reform, in a year it'll be OVER

450 Million bucks in lobbying/advertising/astroturfing, etc.

do the math....in an industry that generates TRILLIONS, what's half a billion?

not very hard to figure out

just lookit who in the house/senate is getting their largesse, then ask yourself how much the Obama campaign took in during the election from healthcare-related operations. I heard the other day it was $16-18 million, an even tinier drop

we'll see what happens, but I look for something along the lines of 93-94, with a better brand of lipstick painted on the pig that we'll be stuck with, but I've always been an optimist

cheerio

[Gabi Hayes]

7. how do you deal with your senate finance chairman when he acts like this:

Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-NY): “There is no health care crisis,” Senate Finance Chairman Daniel Patrick Moynihan blurted out on “Meet the Press” on January 9, 1994. The remark sprang from his ambivalence over the cost and scope of the Clinton proposal and his frustration for delaying his welfare proposal. He later acknowledged that there was a health financing crisis, but as head of one of the committees in charge of moving the proposal through the Senate, his lukewarm attitude gave reform opponents a powerful weapon. Then AFL-CIO President Lane Kirkland shot back that while Moynihan “may not have a health care crisis . . . we do.”

http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/2008/1994health.html

title of page:

Past is Prologue

hmmmm

lots of familiar names/players on this page