The Angry Right Has Become Extremely Dangerous

[berni_mccoy]

The latest bout of angry rioting Republican mobs is just the latest installment of a series of changes the Conservative leadership has been encouraging since the election of Americas first African American President, Barack Obama. It started, actually, before the election, with ad campaigns and political papers against Obama putting him in the cross-hairs of gun scopes. For example:



And then there were the angry outbursts, and then mobs at McCain rallies. Their very anger and mob behavior was ratcheted up by Palin's suggestion that Obama was a terrorist. It didn't help when the New Yorker, trying to be snark, came out with this cover:


That seemed to only fan the flames and then when McCain, under pressure from both opponents and supporters, tried to quiet it, the response was only to increase the anger, moving into dangerous territory with statements like "Obama's a Terrorist", "Kill Him!", and "Kill the Nigger". McCain was unable to quiet the lynch-ready crowd.

Then when Obama won the election, gun sales went through the roof. The angry right began stockpiling both guns and ammo, actually creating ammo shortages across the nation. Was it an unfounded fear that Obama was going to take away their guns or was it something else?

Next there were the TeaBaggers angry that they have to pay taxes even though, to the moment the TeaBaggers began their rallies, there were no tax increases even being discussed. But they were angry (and fearful) that they had to pay taxes. But perhaps, the confusion most of us had about the TeaBaggers was because we did not yet understand their motivation. It wasn't really about taxes. It was about the first black President of this country. They just couldn't say it explicitly. Though, they let their children do it for them, as this picture shows:


But their racial anger wasn't isolated to just a few. Soon the Birther movement came, and lest anyone be unsure what this is about, it's about racism. Most of America believes the Birthers are a fringe lunatic wing of the party. If that were true, then there would not be actual Congressmen supporting the idea and as a recent poll showed, 58% of Republicans believe Obama may not be a U.S. Citizen. This is contrary to all the documentation and evidence that Obama has provided. What the 58% cannot handle is that America has elected a non-white as President. And since they cannot come out and say it, they are left to denigrate him as an illegal immigrant.

Along with the Birther movement has been the astro-turf campaign created to go against the Healthcare Reform that this country so direly needs. The Insurance Industry is pouring money into organizing an anti-reform campaign to the tune of over $1.4 MILLION PER DAY. And they are smart. They are taking the racial anger pent up in the Birthers and retargeting it on the health care bill by getting these paid organizers to create Angry Republican Mobs to incite riots at town-hall meetings. And it's working to incite the angry mobs, which is not a good thing for anyone.

Remember all those guns and ammo that sold in Q3 2008 and Q1 2009? Well the SS has revealed that there are 30 death threats a day now against the President, a 400% increase over any other president. The angry right is taking up their guns and shooting abortion clinic doctors, spurred on by the likes of O'Reily and Limbaugh. They are shooting up churches and local gyms. It's not just racial, as we learned that the Pittsburgh shooter's anger was targeted against women. But it's anger on the right nonetheless. What appears to most of us to be lunacy is really an incapability of most on the right to accept that they are no longer in control. And they are not afraid to get violent about it.

With the Right-Wing hate media such as O'Reilly and Limbaugh egging on the anger, the Insurance industry pouring millions per day into inciting the anger and the Republican leadership in Congress further encouraging the behavior, it can be safely said that we are entering dangerous territory here. The only problem is that it is not just the lunatic fringe.

[yourout]

1. wow.......just wow.

Breathtakingly scary.

[Ernesto]

2. has become ?

nothing new here!

[berni_mccoy]

3. I understand that sentiment, but we are at a new level of danger here.

[maxpower]

24. I agree 100%

These are sick people. I fear for our President.

[Expedite Trucker]

59. Right wing wackos

There are alot of Right winged wackos out there for sure!! They even disguise themselves behind other sites 1 example is a site called Expediters Online they have a soapbox forum and continually attack and sometimes ban anyone who supports Our President. I use the site for trucking info but the soapbox is purely a boys club of W supporters and only a couple of people like me who get bashed for supporting our country and president. One moderater even had the gall to suggest he wished he could time travel and kill our president as a child. Then he starts another thread asking whats wrong with the "N" word. take care folks sorry if i ranted too long about another site with my 1st post its just these right wing nuts scare the hell outta me!

[Odin2005]

64. Welcome to DU!!!

:hi:

[mwb970]

79. One friend finds RW hate dominating a site devoted to Rush (the progressive rock band).

They're everywhere. I'm so sad for our country right now. I'm glad I lived most of my life when it was still America. I feel sorry for the next generation - there is a real shitstorm coming.

[jules1962]

86. That's freaking sad

Rush has always played music that is about the best things in life. Geddy Lee must be pissed.

[mwb970]

96. We can't figure out the connection between Rush (the band) and wingnuttery.

I would expect rather the opposite. Yet my buddy is the only liberal posting on the site's Politics forum. (It's not Rush's official site or anything BTW. Some big fan runs it.)

[Zodiak]

105. Neal Peart is a libertarian type. Reads Ayn Rand, from what I hear.

I think that may be why there are wingnuts who are Rush fans.

It is also why I stopped playing Rush on youtube....many of their fans are just awful people. I find that profoundly disappointing.

[mwb970]

113. Aha. That may be the missing link. /nt

[Kalyke]

111. Did you report the moderator to the FBI?

I realize time travel is not possible (well, as of yet - we're still working on the worm hole theory), but any time someone mentions killing Obama, we should report them.

[Expedite Trucker]

114. It was back during the election

yeah I did report it to the secret service and to Expediters Online, The only response that I got was from Expediters Online, they banned me for 90 days for exposing their moderator.

Their soapbox is a total joke.

I would love to see a barrage of dems come there and disrupt their gun clutching, W supporting boys club.

http://www.expeditersonline.com/forum/soapbox/


heres a link if anyone wants to help us out, good fun battling nutjobs just tough when you are out numbered.

[H2O Man]

4. True.

Definitely true.

[kjackson227]

5. I agree, but apparently differentiating freedom of speech...

from inciting violence is hard to do.

[berni_mccoy]

17. I think DJ13 below has the answer...

[DJ13]

6. Most of them are being misled

Those inciting them to their anger need to be held responsible and prosecuted for trying to incite violence.

[opihimoimoi]

7. Cornered and exposed .....BULLY traits...pouty shouty and angry...takes ball and goes home to whine

with mom....

[Arugula Latte]

8. Fox News/Lou Dobbs/Pat Buchanan et al are helping to foment a dangerous atmosphere.

Their abject racism and hate isn't even mildly disguised any more.

Last month Pat Buchanan said "White people built this country and deserve more."

[quiet.american]

9. It's always especially chilling to see children holding hate signs. nt

[sundancekid]

23. AMEN - I got shivers (and I am a grandparent!)

[berni_mccoy]

25. Teaching children to hate and be fearful of those who are different is common

among racist families. It is a very chilling thing indeed.

[hedgehog]

10. Angry right wingers disrupting events attended by angry left wingers,

I expect the first brawls and worse before the week's out.

[DinahMoeHum]

11. AFAIC, God help the RW if anything. . .ANYTHING. . .happens to Obama

or any other Democratic official.

Because the RW will get the same thing they dish out, ten times over.

That's an ironclad guarantee.

:nuke:

[rhett o rick]

92. yeah right. Just like when JFK was killed. Oh yeah then again when RFK was killed.

And MLK jr. Guess we showed em. And what did we do when bin Ladin destroyed the twin towers? A big nothing.

Seems to me that if powers wanted something to happen to the President , they would blame it on an Oswald. Probably, a Muslim. The country would be infuriated and our government would either invade Nukeistan or get some nitwit named Warren to have a commission to figure out how to appease the country.

I just hope the Secret Service and the CIA are on Pres Obama's side.

[libodem]

12. Well...

I hope their fucking phones ar tapped, and that everything they do on the internet is followed. All that technology must still be in place from the bush years. Or maybe it's in Chaney's basement lair. This is when I hope the FBI, Homeland Security and ATF, and any other alphabet agency is out taking the pictures of the crowd. They did it to us. Where is all the infiltration into the home grown terrorist groups now? I'm sick of the one-sidedness of all the law enforcement. The fuckers should be jailed. Look at how heavy handed the police are for Republican conventions. Why does it dry up on the side of Democrats? The idiots need to have their pansy asses stomped.

I'll feel sorry for them later and go constitutional maudlin when they have their rights violated. Until then watch the hell out of 'em.

[derby378]

13. I hope some on the left have been buying guns and ammo

We're pissed off, too, but we don't make it a habit to threaten government officials or healthcare providers like the rabid right-wing does. Hand me that .308, FReeper - I'll keep it safe until your blood pressure normalizes and your ability to think clearly finally returns.

[mariawr]

74. Yes, we have been arming ourselves....

because I have lived long enough to know that angry, disaffected people do crazy things.

[DeadEyeDyck]

94. roger that n/t

[hfojvt]

14. lions and tigers and bears

oh my.

And, of course, it must be all about racism. It has to be. After all, Obama's black doncha know. Nobody ever said anything bad about Clinton, or Gore, or Kerry.

As for racist signs. I suppose "monkey see, monkey do" is not a common saying in this country. I suppose Bush was never called a chimp, or there were not signs at the anti-war rally in February of 2003 in Lawrence, Kansas that said "a village in Texas is missing its idiot".

There has never been a shortage of scary and nasty people in this country, but not all of them are Republicans. I still, perhaps naively, think that most people are mostly decent (or harmless), even most Republicans. Otherwise I would not feel safe writing my latest letter to the editor.

[H2O Man]

16. yikes!

[hfojvt]

19. excrement and sugar again?

well I'll be a monkey's uncle.

[H2O Man]

50. yikes X2!

[redqueen]

27. You are aware that a freshman Representative has been assaulted, right?

How many incidents would you require before deciding that this is an actual problem, and not just some silly idea to mock with quotes from the Wizard of Oz?

(Gah... so many typos. Thank the admins for the edit feature.)

[hfojvt]

30. no I was not

But more serious than we have been through before? Something to be scared of? "I ain't afraid of no ghosts."

I see fearmongers and hatemongers and I oppose that.

[berni_mccoy]

35. Are you accusing me of Fear-mongering? Because if you are...

you should know that fear-mongering is a tactic used to goad people into action using fear.

In this case, that is what the right has done. I'm pointing out the results of their tactics, not using them myself.

Is there anything unfounded in my statements? If so you haven't called them out.

And this is a new level of dangerous behavior spurred on by their leadership. It has not been this bad since the 50's and 60's during the civil rights movement.

[hfojvt]

49. Have you ever seen the movie Fahrenheit 911?

Watch it again, and see what the 'angry left' did on Bush's inauguration day.

Saying that 'the angry right has become extremely dangerous' is not fear-mongering? EXTREME danger is nothing to be afraid of? Stringing together a bunch of gun violence stories, which have happened in the USA for the last twenty years as I recall, and trying to pump that up into some sort of dangerous trend, looks like fear mongering to me. Finding one semi-racist sign at a rally and using it to paint all anti-Obama people as dangerous racists, looks like hate mongering and fear mongering to me.

I called that out in my initial post by comparing this to the vitriol faced by Clinton and Gore. It is a basic American right to call the President every name in the book and to strongly oppose his policies, even when he is black. Republicans are going over the line and they will likely face a public backlash for that. I don't think a report of 'extreme danger' is fact based, and it's coals to Newcastle as far as egging on hatred/fear of the FReeper.

[EFerrari]

52. SLPC: Resurgence on the Right

Editorial
Resurgence on the Right
By Mark Potok, Editor

As the first months of the Obama Administration unfold, a growing consensus is emerging that a resurgence of right-wing hate groups and radical ideas is spreading across the United States. Law enforcement officials, civil rights groups, and many others have all expressed worries about this troubling trend.

This February, in the last issue of the Intelligence Report, the Southern Poverty Law Center reported on the continued growth of hate groups, whose numbers have risen by more than 50% since 2000. It attributed that growth mainly to fears about non-white immigration, but pointed out that the rise of a black man to the White House also appears to have contributed. And it said the ongoing economic meltdown, which some have already blamed on racial minorities and undocumented Latino immigrants, could well add to a worsening situation.

Two months later, a Department of Homeland Security report, "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment," was leaked to the press. Dated April 7, the report mirrored many of the conclusions of the SPLC and added that "rightwing extremists attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans." (The Report has written extensively about the problem of extremists in the military.)

Already, there is evidence of the violence that an expansion of the radical right may portend. Some of it is chilling.

.

* In late April, a man shot to death two Okaloosa County, Fla., sheriff's deputies responding to a domestic disturbance call. Officials said Joshua Cartwright was interested in militia groups and that his wife told police that he was "severely disturbed" by Obama's election.
* Three days before the DHS report was issued, a gunman in Pittsburgh killed three police officers. Internet postings by the suspect in the months before the murders suggest the man was motivated by racist and anti-Semitic ideology, antigovernment conspiracy theories, and a fear that Obama would pass confiscatory gun laws.
* Around the same time, a Marine who had earlier been arrested for armed robberies near Camp Lejeune, N.C., was indicted for threatening Obama. Kody Brittingham's journal allegedly contained neo-Nazi propaganda and a plan to assassinate the then president-elect.
* On Jan. 21, the day after Obama's inauguration, a white man in Brockton, Mass., allegedly murdered two black people and planned to kill as many Jews as he could that night. Police said the man told them he'd been reading white supremacist websites and believed that whites were facing a genocide.
* Last December, a woman who had just shot her husband to death in Belfast, Maine, told police that James Cummings was "very upset" with Obama's election, had been in touch with white supremacist groups, and had talked of building a "dirty bomb" chock full of deadly radioactive materials. Police found many of the components for that bomb, along with an application for the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement filled out by Cummings.
* And in late October, two racist skinheads were arrested in Tennessee and charged in connection with an alleged plot to murder more than 100 black Americans, beheading some of them, and then to assassinate Obama.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=1052

[sabrina 1]

66. The Secret Service might disagree with you

on this:

I don't think a report of 'extreme danger' is fact based,

Unless you are not aware that:

the SS has revealed that there are 30 death threats a day now against the President, a 400% increase over any other president.

I don't think that's coming from the left. And apparently, despised as Bush was, the Secret Service never reported anything like that coming from the left during his administration.

I can't remember a Republican Congressman being assaulted either, even when the justifiable anger against the policies of Republicans was at its most intense.

Are you not aware of the fact that the mobs showing up at Town Hall meetings are organized, not to discuss issues, but to disrupt and deny others the opportunity to do so?

I think you are bending over way too far to defend the indefensible. It was this attitude from the left, that we needed to be 'nicer', that gave us the last eight years of disastrous policies.

People eventually have to face facts. These are not nice people who just have differences of opinion. If you think they can be compared in any way to ordinary Americans who want to see their government succeed, you either haven't been paying attention to what this country was put through, (not to mention the ones we invaded) when their party was in power and what they did to get there. The mistake made by Democrats was trying to reason with them and here you are again, with the same old failed message.

Bullies only understand one thing. And this time maybe people have had enough of their tactics. I certainly hope so for the sake of this country's future.

[unpossibles]

100. You might have a point were it not for the vast increase in death threats

Comparing the actions of the angry left, who had a reason to be angry because the election was stolen out from under them, and the right who are angry simply because they are not in power, is ridiculous.

Yes, there are comparisons which can be made, but the differences are staggering. Did the left stockpile guns and ammo after Bush's theft? No. Did the left threaten him with physical violence, and make comments about assassination? Not that I noticed. It may have happened, I suppose, but nowhere near the same scale and level.

[kmlisle]

107. A broader discourse from the left has always been looked at as a threat

I think there is a difference between threats of violence and
racist hatred and the expression of disagreement with policies
in ways that may show disrespect for a government that has
earned that disrespect.  Just like the presidential debates
were narrowed by not inviting Ron Paul and Kucinich, the
public debate in this country has been narrowed by
undemocratic interests to the point where we no longer can
have a civil discussions on broad issues, especially if it
includes opinion from the left against war and unrestrained
profit. And into the vacuum it is very easy to introduce lies
and distortions that people listen to because they never have
an opportunity to hear a broad range of ideas on an issue.

As part of the antiwar movement I marched as Vietnam vet with
other vets against the war in Washington many times. You
probably saw very little in the MSM because they did not cover
us even when we showed up in the hundreds of thousands. Just
hundreds of thousands of loony lefties criticizing their
corporate owners. We were disrespectful of Bush, but I see the
reasons for disrespect as valid.  His lies and criminal
activities while president did not earn our respect.  On the
other hand the teabaggers are threatening people's lives on
the basis of lies they have been told about the proposed
health legislation.  None of that legislation is advocating
killing grandpa, but they used that as a basis to say that
Chris Dodd should die instead of having surgery. These are the
exact same folks who spit on us when we tried to visit the
Vietnam war memorial (built by peace groups after Vietnam)and
beat the father of a marine killed in Iraq on the streets of
Washington because he was antiwar.  I did not just read about
this. I experienced it.  After beating this father bloody,
this same pro war group then proceeded to a barbecue on the
lawn of the White House arranged by Karl Rove. we saw their
pictures in the newspaper taken with Bush the next day but
almost nothing about the 150,000 antiwar marchers.
There is a difference between the protests on the so called
extreme left which are largely based on inconvenient facts and
opinions supported by a lot of evidence.  Truth is important
to my colleagues which include members of code pink.  On the
other hand I constantly see and hear actions based on lies and
distortions by the  extremes on the right.  The two get
compared because the acceptable discourse on the left has been
so narrowed because it is damaging to war mongers, and greedy
corporations and insurance companies who want their interests
represented not the interests of the American people.

[Kalyke]

112. I'm sorry, but somehow I can't seem to get worked up over some

folks pelting eggs at a bullet-proof Caddy while some rightwing nut shoots up a church or a Holocaust museum or a health club.

Not even close.

[EFerrari]

42. You mistake fear and hate mongering with a reality check. n/t

[EFerrari]

40. Of course the Republican leadership and media hacks are exploiting

their racist base's hot buttons.

[Umbral]

58. Lucky you, I wouldn't feel safe expressing my views in a letter to the editor

or putting a bumper sticker on my car or wearing a political t-shirt.

[fascisthunter]

81. wow

[proud2BlibKansan]

87. So let me make sure I'm understanding you here

You are saying that protesting against the war and the idiot (yes I am calling dubya an idiot) is the same thing as right wingers making racial slurs against Obama and disrupting town hall forums? And threatening violence?

Which GOP reps were assaulted? Which anti war protesters were arrested for threatening to kill dubya? I went down to Camp Casey at least 5 different times and never saw or heard anyone threaten the president. I don't know of anyone being arrested for that either.

[jhain]

89. Be a good idea to pull your head out of the sand before

the tide come in.

[Blue Diadem]

97. You've never been harassed for a letter to the editor?

We've received obnoxious letters and phone calls. One caller left a long rant on our answering machine, he truly sounded like he'd gone off the deep end.

After our first letter was published, another progressive letter writer called to warn us about what would happen. He was definitely correct but it hasn't stopped him or us from voicing our opinions. It's just wise to be aware.

[FSogol]

15. K & R. n/t

[blitzburgh55]

18. Freshman Democratic lawmaker ‘physically assaulted at a local event’ by right-wing activists.

As lobbyist-run groups encourage conservative activists to “rattle” members of Congress at local town hall events, Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-VA), the president of the freshman Democratic class has revealed that “at least one freshman Democrat” has already been “physically assaulted at a local event” by right-wing activists. Connolly warned that conservative groups had taken things to a “dangerous level“:

“When you look at the fervor of some of these people who are all being whipped up by the right-wing talking heads on Fox, to me, you’re crossing a line,’ Connolly said. ‘They’re inciting people to riot with just total distortions of facts. They think we’re going to euthanize Grandma and the government is going to take over.”

Recent events have given congressman good reason to be “fearful for their safety.” Last week, a protester hung an effigy of freshman Rep. Frank Kratovil (D-MD) outside his district office, and after a June 22 town hall meeting was disrupted by an “unruly mob” of tea party activists, Rep. Tim Bishop (D-NY) had to be escorted to his car by police. ThinkProgress contacted Connolly’s office regarding the identity of the congressman who was physically assaulted, but we have not yet received a response.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/05/freshman-dem-assaulted/

[berni_mccoy]

20. I was afraid something like this would happen, and that's what inspired my post

The fact that it HAS happened means things are escalating faster than I thought.

[drm604]

21. There needs to be a police presence at these meetings.

Sad to say that it's come to this, but it has. There needs to be a police presence at these town hall meetings.

[Cybertronian]

26. These republithug conservatards are growing more and more dangerous by the day.

these shit-brained knuckleheads are being led by nazi assholes like shawn vanity, hush bimbo, michael wiener, bald levin, mann coulter, michelle jerkin, glen overactinglenn and other assorted loudmouthed trouble making thugs who earn their salaries is by stoking flames and whipping people up into a violent mob frenzy.

I for one am hoping that President Obama is taking all steps and measures to protect himself and his family. these pieces of vile excrement are getting worse and worse. I hope that the President and the Dems hold their ground, continue to fight for the common people, and deliver their work and counter these violent nazi mobs. I will be praying for President Obama, our Dem representatives that they remain safe.

for our part, we can contribute our share by exposing the nazi republithug conservatard lies by informing [e-mail] to fight the lies and disinformation being perpetrated by these violent nazi terrorists.

[Quantess]

36. Your names for the RW pundits are amusing. Most of them are new to me.

Who is bald levin? I think Glenn Overactinglenn is the truest moniker of all. Welcome to DU!

[cascadiance]

22. They've become TERRORISTS!

And to think that the muckety mucks in the Bush administration's Homeland Security and various arms of it like CIFA, etc. were compiling so much info and detaining people and hassling other progressive activists they thought "were a threat" who had a helluva better record in not threatening violent actions in places like Miami and the conventions. And now these guys are unchecked bullying other citizens and congress people at these town halls? Something's wrong with this picture. If any terrorist database additions should be made, it should be made for these GOONS!

[Cybertronian]

28. the republithug conservatards are just following the al qaeda tactics.

yup. these terrorists should be locked up and beaten up to a pulp. they are getting more and more unhinged. the insurance companies should be taxed to the roof for contributing to this mob action.

[DCKit]

68. But all the Kennedys, Quakers and Grandmothers filled up the terra-ist database.

What's a poor fascist with no skills to do?

[tavalon]

29. Look at that cute little racist!

Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. You can't put the monster back in the cage. Stupid, stupid rightwingers.

[newtothegame]

31. I agree that there is certainly racism everywhere, but I also think some DU'ers cry "racism..."

to end debates they don't want to have, or that they're losing. Just an observation over my time here.

[berni_mccoy]

34. The irony of that is that RWers are ending the debate *because* of their racism

They don't want to face reality so they vent out their frustration in these dangerous ways.

Because it's not just race, perhaps intolerance and xenophobia are better words. But there is no doubt, race is an issue for them.

[B Calm]

32. All right wing whiny ass cry babies are cowards!

[EFerrari]

51. But some of them are cowards with guns. n/t

[mvd]

33. K&R

:kick:

[SleeplessInAlabama]

37. I had to take this opportunity to post a photo in the Birther vein

[Name removed]

38. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[surrealAmerican]

46. I would care.

You can't go blaming a 10-year-old for what his parents believe. Look at the sizable number of posters here who complain about their right-wing parents. Hate is not a genetically determined trait. When that child grows up, he might very well wise up.

[berni_mccoy]

48. Thank you. I honestly did not know how to respond to that.

[K Gardner]

72. This horrible response is just as bad as what Bernie so eloquently wrote about. A shame to see this

on such a wonderful thread.

[Rocknrule]

39. Some Topix death threats I saw

Many of you have seen this already but here it is again. I reported this guy to the FBI several times:

http://www.topix.com/forum/us/T1RTSJI06UR8CB63S/p2268

GSCensored:

"Good. We need to be pushed to the point that we are so sick and tired. That we would be willing to go to ANY lengths to rid ourselves of these cowardly, communist-socialist treasonous pieces of sh*t. These LIE-beral idiots really are a disease. And they must not be allowed to continue infecting our society."

"What you fail to realize, you pathetic treasonous p.o.s. Is that We The People ARE the INTENDED "establishment". And, We The People INCLUDE many in the government itself. As in the EIGHTY PERCENT IN THE MILITARY THAT DID NOT VOTE for your new 'master','obummer'. And many of them REFUSE to recognize him as 'president'. And have PUBLICLY declared that. Then there's the police, which your new 'master' just ROYALLY PISSED OFF by his asinine comments.

So, basically what I'm trying to say. Is BRING IT ON, you cowardly and moronic p.o.s. We'll just see who wins, PUNK.

And, you ignorant p.o.s. we can TRACE your IP address. And drag your cowardly arse out from in front of that T.V.

Do some research on revolutions sometime, you ignorant p.o.s. The military generally splits 50-50. We WILL have the manpower, the weapons, and the DETERMINATION to restore our Constitutional Republic. As well as to RUTHLESSLY HUNT DOWN and DESTROY the vile treasonous cowards that have caused us so much grief. In other words PUNK, those just like >you<.."

When I first heard about the recent shooting in PN, this guy was my number one suspect. No joke.

[cynatnite]

41. David Adkisson walked into a Knoxville church and killed two people...

wounded seven others. His reading material are books written by the likes of Hannity and Coulter...just to name a few.

This was a universalist church where he specifically targeted liberals and democrats. He left a manifesto in his truck that commanded "Go kill liberals".

[Rocknrule]

43. I'm still waiting for the victims' families

to sue Hannity, Coulter, Fox, etc. for everything they own. They are deliberately creating monsters.

[berni_mccoy]

57. The definitely would have a case to sue.

[malaise]

44. This is how the RW (financed by the CIA in developing countries)

destroyed legitimate governments across the globe. And yes they had their hacks in the media. Nip this in the bud.

[defendandprotect]

56. So true . . . and whatever the CIA has done in other countries, we must understand

they have likely done in America -- from stealing elections since the mid-1960 . . .

to financing right-wing candidates -- and in keeping right-wing elected officials in office.

Not to mention assassinations . . .

They've caused the suffering of millions of people around the world . . .

and we're not going to be exceptions. "Third World America" --

[truth2power]

93. RE: the CIA...I strongly urge everyone to get their hands on

the book, "Barry & the Boys" by Daniel Hopsicker. Unfortunately, not widely distributed because it's expensive, relatively speaking. $45.00 for the paperback. I had to get it through interlibrary loan.

About Barry Seal, drug runner...CIA operative. And how the CIA threw their lot in with organized crime. Drug running, the Kennedy assassination, Watergate etc. "All these secrets are the same secret."

[defendandprotect]

103. Well, I always thought that the CIA was organized crime . . .

I hadn't heard of the book but will put it on my long, long list --
I'm way behind in reading for various reasons.

I'll look it up on Amazon -- would be interesting to see what they're saying about it.

I don't know how old the book is but I'm hoping that most people here know that the CIA
has long been involved in drug running and controlling especially drug-producing areas.

I've never actually read Gary Webb's Dark Alliance though I did read a lot of his articles.
Thought the info about feeding drugs into California's AA community was probably all too true.

About Barry Seal, drug runner...CIA operative. And how the CIA threw their lot in with organized crime. Drug running, the Kennedy assassination, Watergate etc. "All these secrets are the same secret."

I do agree that there's pretty much no difference between the CEO of Exxon-Mobil and Mafia
Chiefs ... and I think many have tried to get us to see that. OTOH, I've no doubt that the
elite allow organized crime to exist - that's the only way it can -- and that it often serves
them and their purposes. Just as our military has been doing for a hundred years and more.

Obviously, there is a united effort by a few to control everything - from water to food to drugs -
for their own profit and in their obsession to have control over everything and everyone.

There is only one way that the right can come to power and that's thru violence - assassinations,
political violence, stolen elections, murder.

I think there is even a purported document on the internet about the agreement to harness the
flow of drugs/drug money -- evidently signed by Kissinger -- which uses a "national security"
rationalization for this involvement. We wouldn't want drug cartels to become wealthier than
our government and push us around!


:)

PS: Did you take notes on the book?
You might think of posting some of the info in a thread here?

[glinda]

45. This is a "set-up". Here is how it is gonna come down: First they get people to riot, kill, go

nuts, then some sort of force has to come in to stop it be it police, government or whatever. Then they win an election and take that force to the extreme having set the ground by stirring the pot. I see where this may be going and I implore our Government to step in now by helping people understand that they are being misled, being lied to by extreme conservatives. There needs to be law-enforcement now treating it like a normal offense before it escalates.

[Bandit]

47. Can you imagine the turmoil throughout America if some nut did assassinate Obama

I think the race riots of the sixties would seem tame and blood would spill all across America..Too fucking many guns out there.....

[mother earth]

54. Do you wonder that this is what they are trying to incite?

Hate is fear based and always unpredictable...what hypocrites they are when they make a call out for no violence, yet stir, stir and stir the brewing hate as fast as they can.

[mother earth]

53. Angry haters, the "right" has always been on the wrong side.

[defendandprotect]

55. Obviously, this is ALL instigated by the GOP . . . it is after all the GOP's NRA . . .

the GOP's "pro-life" murders --

And the "birthers" the same -- this could have been quieted down very easily and reasonably
had the GOP wished to do so. They don't!

The right wing is always dangerous because it is always sneaky and violent --
I hope everyone is awake to that now???

This is overall a sexist, racist, homophobic agenda which believes in "inferiority" of some
of us. It's the GOP/corporate agenda because "inferiority" provides a way for discrimination
against large numbers of people which is profitable for them. Creates power for the few.

Good luck to us all --

and I wouldn't overlook the involvement of right-wing religions in this --
and perhaps a new militancy by Christianity which we saw from Bush in his idea of a "crusade"
in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Sickening, yes . . . but something to be watched.

[mzmolly]

60. Charming child with the racist pic.

:eyes:

[mariawr]

76. Wish that child was in my classroom....

he'd have a lot of homework to do! Starting with history.

[mzmolly]

99. Welcome.

:hi:

[Jennicut]

61. You made a great point that they are not able to accept loss of control of power

They are easily led around by the GOP operatives and their fear of the unknown can drive them to their hateful acts. Whenever anyone feels power slipping away from them they act irrational...and that is downright scary. I hope our President and VP are well protected, I fear for them (after all, how dare a white man work FOR a black man, right?).

[go west young man]

62. Check out the blog of the Pennsylvania LA Fitness shooter.

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/slideshow/news/20292141/detail.html

He rambles about "this Obama economy", the "liberal media" and white girls having sex with black guys. He sounds like he is a right wing nut job and he has just shot and killed 3 women and injured 7 others. He states towards the end that Jesus has already died for "his" sin's so he knows he will be forgiven in heaven for the killing he is about to do. Completely crazy.

[Odin2005]

63. May you live in interesting times...

:scared:

[Richd506]

65. Watch these people will try to start a second civil war

they probably have wet dreams about it...

[on point]

67. The Modern version of Storm Troopers

These folks are all attitude and all ignorance, pushing their vile delusional nonsense down the throats of others and engaging in intimidation to stifle dissent and thought. They are the modern version of Nazi Storm Troopers and we should have the wisdom and courage to say this plainly and to their faces.

[Hubert Flottz]

69. But, But, But,

We can't do anything about it and still save jolly old "Bipartisanship"....

About as "Compassionate" as a nest of wasps, or a hungry rattlesnake.

The GOP = "The Beast" and we still want to be friends with it...play nice with it...respect it? Most people who ever, take in, trust, respect, a highly venomous POS live long enough to regret their foolishness. Don't ever let a "neoCONservative" or any other kind of dangerous snake, fool you.

If we "don't look back," those snakes from behind us will go right on doing their dirty work. The next Bush might be worse than the last one. I'd like to see an Obama policy that focused on this idea, "No Snakes Left Behind"...it's what I'd hoped we'd voted for.

[The Wizard]

70. How will Democrats respond.

If Democrats sit back and let mob rule be the order of the day without an appropriate response they will rightfully be restored as a weak kneed minority. Republican thugs are in line for a major smack down. Reaching across the aisle only to pull back a bloody stub is no longer an option. The Republican jihad must be stopped before they think they have the OK to round up their perceived enemies and put them in gas chambers. There's no nice way to say Nazi.

[dgibby]

110. The problem with Democrats, Independents, and Progressives is :

We have difficulty believing there are people out there who actually hate us enough to want us dead, so we tend to not take them seriously until it's too late. We dismiss them as "wingnuts" or right wing "fringe" groups, just like we dismissed Dubya as "idiot son", "dimson", etc. We do the same thing with the radical religous right, referring to them as "fundie nutjobs".

In other words, we fiddle while Rome burns, and then we wonder WTF happened on the way to the Forum. "De Nile" ain't just a river in Egypt.

We need to WAKE UP before it's too late. NEVER underestimate the enemy!

[SunDrop23]

71. Then dammit we must FIGHT!

my brother is one of them.
despises Obama for no other reason than the color of his skin.
oh sure, sure he tries to claim otherwise by spouting any number of buzz words from the freeps, slanthead, druggie limbaugh, lunatic beck, etc.

most of what he says he has no clue what it means, but it is anti-Obama and it invariably his rantings are always reduced to Obama "giving the blacks everything."

some of you who know me know my firm belief that i was either switched at birth or adopted, despite me being the oldest kid.

i don't put up with his crap.

nor anyone elses.

we must FIGHT!

[tekisui]

73. Indeed. Do you have a link for the $1.4 million a day

spent by the insurance companies. I would like to take that number to some anit-healthers.

[berni_mccoy]

83. Here is just one:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/health-care-reform/2009/07/health_care_continues_its_inte.html

It was revealed in Congress that this was what was being spent to influence the discussion.

[tekisui]

84. Thank you, kindly.

:thumbsup:

[zeemike]

75. Well I am convinced that we will have to fight it out in the streets

And I base this on my conversations with the right wing radicals....I do not shy away from that and have been talking to them for 15 years now on the internet. and I believe in the saying that to be forewarned is to be forearmed.
There pundits are ratcheting up the hate more so now than ever and there are ample references to guns and the meme that they need to stock up on food and ammo for the coming revolution.
The liberals among us do not take any of this seriously and po pa any notion that they will act on there threats...but they could well be wrong.
The only question is this...what will the progressives do if the right wing brings their guns to town? Will we capitulate or fight back when the shit comes down? And then there is the question as to what we will fight back with?
Obviously words and logic have not been working.

[Vinca]

77. It's upsetting they're breeding another generation of hate.

What kind of parent gives their kid a racist sign to hold?

[mwb970]

78. It was heartbreaking to see that smiling kid with such a hateful sign.

What a sad, sad country we are turning into. I weep for the future.

[pokercat999]

80. "The only problem is that it is not just the lunatic fringe."

I've been trying to make this point on several posts over the last couple ow weeks. We must call this what it is: MAIN STREAM REPUBLICANISM!

[dgibby]

106. Time to list the Republican Party as a Hate Group and put it on a watch list.

As long as the republican leadership condones this behavior, then I can only surmise that they are, indeed, a hate group, and should be identified as such.

[WillieW]

82. Desperate Attempts to disrupt DNC meetings

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/07/29/august-22-join-the-nationwide-recess-rally/

[Kingofalldems]

85. And some here want us to socialize with the likes of Palin

[WillieW]

88. Berni - please pm me

[vssmith]

90. We need Smedley Butler

[WillieW]

91. who is that?

[Vilis Veritas]

98. General Smedley Butler

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

[The Hope Mobile]

95. On facebook yesterday a seriously crazy woman was talking about

how we need to get the G.. D... N..... out of the White House. I just about lost it. Wasn't a friend, just someone from a random poll but PLEASE . . . she thought her behavior was totally justifiable and appropriate. They're losing their fear.

[K Gardner]

101. Loss of fear - a consequence of Mob Mentality, justified by Fox and RW Hate Radio and the

GOP in congress who will not stand up against it.

[RedCloud]

102. The neo nazis are taking over the Republican party which will be extinct shortly.

Their insanity will be brought to bear in 2010, make no mistake about it. But those lunatics remain ever dangerous. Home grown terrorists without even a cause.

[caseymoz]

104. But the good news is that the GOP is dying. The bad news: dying like a rabid dog.

Demographically speaking, it's a corpse already, but it is going more radical and its getting dirtier as it goes. It's a lot of wealth buying a lot of propaganda to recruit the paranoid, but it has no grass roots anymore; everything in it is funded first and then founded. It is a white party that's too racist to gain in other ethnicities, and too narrow religiously to boot.

[orbitalman]

108. Excellent Commentary n/t

[ccharles000]

109. k/r