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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 06:07 PM
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Poll question: Woodrow Wilson: Good President???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodrow_Wilson

Thomas Woodrow Wilson, Ph.D. (December 28, 1856–February 3, 1924)<1> was the 28th President of the United States. A leading intellectual of the Progressive Era, he served as President of Princeton University from 1902 to 1910, and then as the Governor of New Jersey from 1911 to 1913. With Theodore Roosevelt and William Howard Taft dividing the Republican Party vote, Wilson was elected President as a Democrat in 1912. To date he is the only President to hold a doctorate (Ph.D.) degree aside from those who have held JDs, and the only President to serve in a political office in New Jersey before election to the Presidency, although Grover Cleveland is the only President born in the state of New Jersey. Early in his first term, he supported some cabinet appointees in introducing segregation in the federal workplace of several departments, a Democratic Congress to pass major legislation that included the Federal Trade Commission, the Clayton Antitrust Act, the Federal Farm Loan Act, America's first-ever federal progressive income tax in the Revenue Act of 1913 and most notably,<2> the Federal Reserve Act.<3><4>



Narrowly re-elected in 1916, Wilson had a second term centered on World War I. He promised to maintain U.S. neutrality, but when the German Empire began unrestricted submarine warfare, he wrote several admonishing notes to Germany, and in April 1917 asked Congress to declare war on the Central Powers. He focused on diplomacy and financial considerations, leaving the waging of the war primarily in the hands of the military establishment. On the home front, he began the first effective draft in 1917, raised billions in war funding through Liberty Bonds, imposed an income tax, enacted the first federal drug prohibition, set up the War Industries Board, promoted labor union growth, supervised agriculture and food production through the Lever Act, took over control of the railroads, and suppressed anti-war movements. National women's suffrage was achieved under Wilson's presidency, but this egalitarian success was offset by the Wilson administration's segregation of the federal government.<5>

In the late stages of the war, Wilson took personal control of negotiations with Germany, including the armistice. He issued his Fourteen Points, his view of a post-war world that could avoid another terrible conflict. He went to Paris in 1919 to create the League of Nations and shape the Treaty of Versailles, with special attention on creating new nations out of defunct empires. Largely for his efforts to form the League, he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1919. Wilson collapsed with a debilitating stroke in 1919, as the home front saw massive strikes and race riots, and wartime prosperity turn into postwar depression. He refused to compromise with the Republicans who controlled Congress after 1918, effectively destroying any chance for ratification of the Versailles Treaty. The League of Nations was established anyway, but the United States never joined. Wilson's idealistic internationalism, calling for the United States to enter the world arena to fight for democracy, progressiveness, and liberalism, has been a contentious position in American foreign policy, serving as a model for "idealists" to emulate or "realists" to reject for the following century.

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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 06:16 PM
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1. A racist and a sexist, but a good president.
Edited on Sun Aug-02-09 06:16 PM by Drunken Irishman
Good president, horrible human being.
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 09:31 PM
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13. But he was the Father of the Draft, so there's that.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 06:40 PM
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2. His WIFE wasn't a bad President, considering the cards she'd been dealt.
And make no mistake, she ran the show for awhile there.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 06:42 PM
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3. Bad President.
Vain, arrogant, clueless. Not the only one to be sure.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 06:56 PM
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4. He kept us out of war!
Until he decided to take us in, anyway.
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Umbral Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 07:43 PM
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5. Better than any Republican president since. nt
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 07:45 PM
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6. Flagrant racist who set civil rights back decades.
Fuck him sideways.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 07:48 PM
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7. He praised "Birth of a Nation."
:thumbsdown:
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 09:54 AM
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28. so did most people of that time
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 07:49 PM
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8. Resonsible for the Federal Reserve,
Income Tax, and WWI!!!

All of which were avoidable.

Major sell-out (and, later, claimed "buyer's remorse."
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 08:17 PM
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9. He was responsible for the U.S. entry into WWI
Edited on Sun Aug-02-09 08:33 PM by dflprincess
but not the war itself. The "Great War" (as it was called until someone realized they would have to start numbering them) began in 1914 with the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria.

The U.S. didn't enter it until 1917 though it was a war we never should have gotten involved with.
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 08:27 PM
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10. Wiesenheidel beer (WKRP)

Whenever I hear "Archduke Ferdinand" I always think of WKRP. Thanks for the reminder.

http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/wkrpincincinnatiseason1.php

The other aspect of WKRP you might like is the way it parodies radio commercials and other patter. Ads abound for products like "Red Wigglers, the Cadillac of worms" and Wiesenheidel beer ("look for the smiling face of the Archduke Ferdinand on every bottle"), with "A Commercial Break" essentially an entire episode of jokes about a cemetery sponsor ("Ferryman, Ferryman, he's the man with the plot, the man with the plan"). Les Nessman's newscasts especially poke fun at broadcast pomposity. When he breaks into Johnny's show, delivers a long speech about how important his bulletin is, then says, "Today in Cincinnati, it is snowing," you'll probably see your local TV weather team there.

But reading "The Guns of August' (or watching the documentary) bring home how serious this was.

OS

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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 08:37 PM
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11. I'd forgotten about Wiesenhidel beer
WKRP has got to be one of the best shows that ever aired. I can never walk past the frozen turkeys in the grocery store without thinking of it - and if you're a fan, you know why. :evilgrin:
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 10:22 PM
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14. What's wrong with the income tax?
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 03:18 AM
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17. It's unconstitutional
Edited on Mon Aug-03-09 03:31 AM by timtom
and illegal.

Not enough states finally ratified it.
And it's an unapportioned tax.

"Article I, § 8, Clause 1 grants to the Congress the power to impose taxes, but requires excise taxes to be geographically uniform.<4>

The Constitution states that all direct taxes are required to be apportioned among the states according to population.<5> This basically refers to a tax on property as well as a capitation."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

But,the most telling aspect is the proximity of passage with the passage of the Federal Reserve Act.

Nelson Aldrich -- bought and paid for.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 03:54 AM
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19. You really ought to go spew your libertarian bullshit elsewhere
The sixteenth amendment was ratified. The people who claim it wasn't are conspiracy nuts who don't want to pay their taxes and their arguments are not substantiated with any facts whatsoever.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 06:20 AM
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21. Why don't you piss off
you obnoxious punk?

If you have a disagreement with me, you certainly could have presented a cogent argument.

But you chose to be vitriolic and abusive.

Again: Piss Off!
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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 07:26 AM
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24. a couple of points
the Supreme Court has, in fact, ruled that the taxes allowed under the 16th Amendment were Constitutional thus blowing that argument out of the water.

In addition, every case that has argued that the 16th Amendment was not properly ratified, that argument has been rejected and, in some cases, deemed legally frivolous.

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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 09:09 PM
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12. Bad.
He really screwed the pooch at the peace talks after WWI.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 10:38 PM
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15. If the Sedition Act of 1918 wasn't an inspiration to GW Bush, I'd be greatly surprised
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 08:38 AM
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25. Shrub is INCAPABLE of thinking or being inspired. He has people for that. n/t
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 10:40 PM
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16. He was a brilliant political scientist and good president in spite of his racism and sexism.
He gave us the Income Tax, regulation of the monetary system, among other things. In his academic career before he went into politics he prety much created the field of Political Science in the United States

I have no shame in calling myself a Wilsonian Liberal Interventionist when in comes to foreign policy.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 03:35 AM
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18. He's more of an important president than he is either a bad or good president.
Edited on Mon Aug-03-09 03:36 AM by LostInAnomie
He has a few VERY good points, but these are offset by BAD things like the suppression of the anti-war movement, segregation of the federal government, etc.

As far as precedents set by an administration though, he's probably the second most important president in the 20th century.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 04:05 AM
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20. He was a major influnece in formalizing the field of International Relations
Before the end of World War I, International Relations didn't exist as a formal field of study. Sure it had been studied before but not in a cohesive way. Wilson was a major influence in making IR a formal field. As a President, he sucked IMO. But as an IR scholar I have to appreciate his contributions in that regard.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 06:36 AM
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22. Promised peace, delivered war. Bad!
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 07:14 AM
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23. Not only no, but FUCK NO
not after the way he ordered the women suffragists protesting peacefully outside the White House gates to be treated. Arrested & locked up in a loony bin, then force-fed raw eggs & milk until their throats bled when they went on a hunger strike. Just so they could vote.

Fuck you, Wilson, forever.

dg
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 09:36 AM
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26. He looks old. I'm happy that we live in a progressive era now.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 09:53 AM
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27. On race he was a man of his times (despite being gov of NJ he was born a southerner)
and had southern opinions. Yet he did achieve many outstanding goals in domestic affairs. But either because his series of minor strokes (before the massive stroke which befell him in October 1919) caused him to be inflexible he, himself, in many ways is responsible for the defeat of the League of Nations. Overall a mixed record--not the great president that many historians believe (though his ranking is declining some), but also not a terrible president.
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 10:18 AM
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29. Wilson's Doctoral Thesis on Public Administration is Required in every Poly Sci program I've seen.

Oddly, this is more lasting influence than a lot of his actions as president.
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