Failure to pass Public Option will cost Dems in 2010 and 2012

[panader0]

The collapse of the health care reforms will be laid at the feet of the Democratic party and correctly so. This whole thing has become a disaster.

[trayfoot]

1. Absolutely Agree!

[ananda]

2. The Bluedogs are Reep in Dem clothing anyway.

What difference does it make?

[Captain Hilts]

3. Yes. An example of 'Democrats can't govern' rap. nt

[redqueen]

4. Even if they pass a public option... if it's watered down, it will cost us.

The whole point is to reduce costs, and watered down legislation is intended to protect private insurance's profits... which of course means less savings for the taxpayers.

Too many Dems in Congress are corrupt or cowardly. Sickening... absolutely sickening.

[WeDidIt]

5. If there's no public option, why the hell would I ever want to vote for another Dem?

Seriously, what's the point any more?

[beaglelover]

10. I agree 100% n/t

[redqueen]

12. Hard to argue with that logic, really.

They've sold us out enough for it to be pretty much meaningless now.

If this turns into yet another soak-the-taxpayer, giveaway-to-big-business fiasco, how are we supposed to canvas for this party anymore?

[FormerDittoHead]

41. Since the last PRIMARY, this has been about ONE ISSUE. I PROBABLY WON'T *VOTE* PERIOD.

I'm with you WeDidIt.

Why the hell SHOULD I CARE AS IF IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE?

(without MEANINGFUL insurance reform) I'm giving up thinking that we have any chance of being in control.

They (Senators, etc) know what *WE* want. IN TERMS OF THE *PEOPLE* who the FUCK gives a SHIT about insurance companies?

We're a fucking banana republic. Owned by, run by, controlled by, and we'll die by the whims of the rich.

I can be a slave, I suppose, but for crying out loud, don't fucking try to make me CARE anymore.

[Walk away]

6. No public option / no vote from me

I will sit out 2010 and so will most of my friends. It's a disgrace!

[dixiegrrrrl]

19. Is voting Independent an option for you?

[Donnachaidh]

26. so we're expected to suddenly don jackboots like the pukes?

Is this the newest *scary meme* to keep people in line?

Voting independent -- what's the difference? When you put someone in office and they immediately forget the campaign promises made -- tell me how *voting within the party* works so well?

Far too many here have taken the fearmongering and dressed it in blue, hoping that no one will notice. Of course, sheep think this way.

:eyes:

[Romulox]

7. You cannot open a negotiation with the position you are willing to ultimately accept

I think this has all been a dog and pony show. I don't think Pelosi, Reid, Obama, or Kennedy ever really supported a robust single payer or even public option. Republican opposition is a convenient excuse.

[Wapsie B]

8. They had a golden opportunity and they blew it big time.

Any back-peddling on the part of Dems towards getting real healthcare reform is a loss. Obama and the Democrats in Congress were elected to enact real change in this country. Unless something drastic happens when there finally is a vote on this legislation I am going to be completely underwhelmed. We need to look at countries having the most success running a healthcare system and model ourselves after that, not placate conservatives and insurance companies. Remember, France is #1 in healthcare in the world. We're not even in contention in that realm.

To me this is the acid test. Unless the Democratic Party can deliver a real positive change in the healthcare system in this country they will have cost themselves dearly in support. I think this message needs to be delivered to Democrats. This is the people's line in the sand.

[babylonsister]

21. Has anything been finalized? Did I miss it? nt

[Wapsie B]

24. Do you honestly think there will be anything that shuts out big powerful

insurance companies with well-heeled lobbyists? I will more than gladly eat my share of crow if I'm wrong. But the way legislation is so carefully hand-crafted in this country by and for the benefit of large corporations just call me very skeptical of any substantive positive change taking place.

[madokie]

30. Personally I think we all can see who is holding things up

and it's obvious to everyone who that is so I worry not for the dems in the next election. If the puklicons keep up with this shit they will be the ones loosing seats, not dems.

[redqueen]

32. I sincerely hope you're right. (nt)

[madokie]

38. When its so obvious as to who is the assholes on this and so much other legislation

that we need to right this listing ship. I just can't for the life of me see how that translates into a bad for the Dems. The Rushlicans even admit that they don't have any answers except for no on everything. I think most people see all of this for what it is.

[maxsolomon]

9. meaning that liberals will cross the aisle and vote GOP?

the fallacy of the 2-party system is once again on display.

i voted for Obama knowing he was a centrist. i'll do it again after health care gets watered down and bastardized. gladly.

anarcho-syndicalists don't have viable candidates.

[WeDidIt]

13. I'm really not seeing much of a difference any more

Why even bother to vote any more?

[maxsolomon]

22. were you off-planet from 2001 through 2008?

there's still a difference.

[WeDidIt]

25. Yeah, 2001-2008 we had the PAtriot Act, Gitmo, The Iraq War, Insurance Companies ran health care...

oh, wait. That's 2009.

[maxsolomon]

27. and weed is still illegal, and the drinking age is still 21,

and the military industrial complex still sucks up our tax dollars. the list is endless.

but you can't turn an aircraft carrier on a dime, and the 2 party system is designed to slow change. it pisses me off too.

[WeDidIt]

29. No Public Option = Nothing ever again for the Dems

That means no more donations. No more canvassing, and no more votes.

Period.

[maxsolomon]

44. all that short of not voting

is where i already am.

[Kansas Wyatt]

42. '2 party system designed to slow change.'

Then how in the Hell did the Republicans ALWAYS pass what they wanted?

Oh that's right... The other party (cough cough) let them do it.

[maxsolomon]

43. but they didn't pass ALL their wants, did they?

there's no flat tax, there's still an inheritance tax, abortion is still legal, we didn't nuke the middle east, all hippies weren't rounded up and gassed.

[Greyhound]

45. If only we had at least two parties...

"America has one political party with two right wings." - Gore Vidal

[Romulox]

14. Oh noes! The GOP might increase the military budget, oppose UHC and send all our $$$ to Wall Street

:shrug:

[Ganja Ninja]

18. We could just stay home altogether.

Unless we have a real liberal/progressive alternative there could be a very poor turnout in the next election. But no need to worry. I'm sure all those Republican voters will remember who the blue dogs were and reward them by crossing party lines and voting with the centrists Democrats.

[rucky]

20. It means incumbents aren't safe.

D or R

and that's not necessarily a bad thing. Liberals should support viable primary challengers.

[fascisthunter]

47. no... we will abandon all the right wingers in our party

and try with all our might to push out those opposed to a public plan.

[Gold Metal Flake]

11. Just like last time.

[SOS]

15. Democrats in Congress

Killed card check
Killed the interest rate cap
Allowed credit card "reform" to be delayed until February, 2010
Voted to hand out hundreds of billions to crooked banks
Are now in the process of destroying health care reform.

It's pretty clear by now that cash bribes from corporations trump the interests of We the People.

[Gman]

16. thanks for your support

guess you'll be voting for someone other than a Democrat? Green? Or maybe a Republican?

[lumberjack_jeff]

17. What's the corollary?

There is good reason to be optimistic that the bill presented to Obama will have the public option.

If failure is a disaster, success will be a triumph.

[dionysus]

23. it's much more fun to soil oneself in righteous indignation i suppose

:shrug:

[dembotoz]

28. then to what--accept something that is worthless and give up on

decent healthcare for another generation?????

[dionysus]

33. i'm waiting to see what kind of bill makes it to obama's desk before i get pissed.

[WeDidIt]

36. By the time it gets to his desk, it's too late to do anything about it

except for Obama vetoing it, which he will not do.

[dionysus]

37. once a bill passes th commitees it can be changed in conference.

[Uncle Joe]

31. They know it, but they're willing to take their chances with the "money lenders."

The American People will have to throw the money lenders out of their temple; aka the Capital before any serious reform and sincere representation of the citizens' best interests can take place.

[Freddie Stubbs]

34. The next election will be won or lost on the economy

If the unemployment rate is still high, Democrats will lose a significant number of seats, regardless of what kind of health care reform legislation passes.

[mmonk]

35. Yes, you are dead on.

[donheld]

39. So people will switch and vote repuglican so they can get what they failed to get

from Obama? This country is fucked!

[Tesha]

48. Why do people at DU assume there are only two choices *AT THE CONGRESSIONAL LEVEL*? (NT)

[roamer65]

40. If we end up with "Romneycare"...

that will be enough for me. I am dead set against turning uninsured people into criminals.

[fascisthunter]

46. Damn Straight

[Union Yes]

49. I'm growing weary of the 1 party system.