When was the last great Police Bash on DU?

[Cid_B]

We all know DU follows trends of the moment and right now the trend seems to be police bashing.

Anyone remember the last time the vitriol rose to this level in regard to police?

[leftstreet]

1. I thought they broke up?

:shrug:

[Sebastian Doyle]

2. Well, they did tour in 2007.

Don't know if they have any other plans for the future though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRVtUpfvb3Q

[leftstreet]

6. LOL "F sharp minor, Andy"

:rofl:

(God that makes me feel old though.)

[MercutioATC]

3. I don't remember one this bad.

Especially considering the facts in this case.

[Occulus]

14. !

:rofl:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

4. Happens weekly.

[Occulus]

15. Should be daily.

We very badly need to bring our police forces back under control. Citizens' review boards with termination power would be a big step in the right direction.

[blueamy66]

25. I agree.

We definitely need Citizen Review Boards. Never heard of one here.

[seabeyond]

30. *sigh*. if it is happening weekly you might better understand why people see a problem with police

you pretty much made the case

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

48. So 52 bad cops a year out of about 800,000 makes your case? Gimme a break.

[Flaneur]

51. You can try to deny there is a problem with police and policing in this country.

That doesn't make it go away.

Just do a Google search for "officer-arrested or officer-convicted or officer-sentenced" for a few days. You will see a veritable cavalcade of sex crimes, DWIs, assaults, wife beatings, robberies of drug dealers, drug dealing, etc.

Ask yourself why we're doing 40,000 SWAT raids a year in this country. Remember what SWAT is for? Hostage situations, terrorist attacks, extremely dangerous situations...but now we routinely do petty drug raids as if we were attacking an Al Qaeda hideout in Baghdad.

Ask yourself why so many urban youth see the police as an occupation force.

Ask yourself why police perjury is so common there's even a word for it: testilying.

Law enforcement is dangerously out of control and unaccountable, in my opinion. And I think a whole lot of people agree with me.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

53. Where did I try and deny that there was a problem?

[Flaneur]

59. Pardon me. You seemed to imply there were only 52 bad cops a year.

Even we critics of bad policing don't have the time or energy to post every incident of cops lying, beating someone down, tasering them for no good reason, shooting them for no good reason, or doing mass stop and frisks of minority youth, or, or, or...

There used to be a web site called Badcopnews.com, but it's gone now. The nasty shit is out there every day if you care to look for it, though.

[seabeyond]

62. hey... happens once a week. lol lol how many weeks ergo. i got caught in that trap too. nt

[seabeyond]

52. where in the world do you get 52? lordy, lol. the problem is, i have had lots of interaction

with police over the decades, and no, 52 doesn't cut it. but for every bad cop how many good cops stand behind them, allow it to happen, dont protect the victim. being a person of integrity, i see a lack in the officer that can condone by silence or support, bad behavior. morally reprehensible

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

54. I'll let you figure it out. It's pretty simple, try and think real hard.

[seabeyond]

56. had to start at beginning of subthread. but much easier to be less than helpful

than just reminding what the conversation was from yesterday.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

57. I knew it wouldn't take you long.

[seabeyond]

58. ah

you go from being an ass to being sweet. lol

and i gotta tell you fire, i have seen it more than just this thread.

half way teasing

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

60. Sounds good to me.

[omega minimo]

5. Some pigs are more equal than others.

[StClone]

7. Somebody was wrong and somebody was wronged

Who is hired to protect whom? Who takes hours of classes to learn how to defuse rather than escalate a situation? Who is taught to react to differing situations with approaches warranted by the situation and when to arrest and when to not arrest despite what the book calls for?

I like Cops for reasons I will not get into but there are cops and there are Cops. I have an issue in this situation and how it was handled. The Cops had nothing -- read this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x466719

[rollingrock]

8. You call it police BASHing?

are you trying to imply Sgt. Crowley did nothing wrong in this case?

[Cid_B]

9. My point would be...

... that the issue of Gates and Crowley has led to a multitude of threads filled with the equivalent of "Fuck the Police."

I'm curious as to the last issue that brought out the cop-hate as strongly as this issue did.

[rollingrock]

11. That would probably be

the time when a BART police officer in Oakland, CA shot a black man to death in the back, after the man had been submitted and was lying flat on his stomach. I don't think "Fuck the police" would be an overreaction...around the same time, there was a guy in Texas who was followed by a cop to his house for suspicion of driving a stolen vehicle, even though he was the registered owner of that vehicle. When he got to his own house the cop shot him in the stomach for no reason. I could go on and on, but there are just far too many of these kind of shocking incidents with lawless cops to name.

[Hutzpa]

42. How about the Spanish guy who got

shot for sleeping in his truck by the police in Orange County Texas, so many to chose from
it boggles the mind that some here cannot see that.

[Hutzpa]

43. Delete - Dupe

:wtf: moment

[paulsby]

18. i will say

that crowley didn't use the best judgment imo. the arguments that he's a racist etc. are simply foolish and unsupported by evidence. the fact that NONE of the (7 or 8) civilian witnesses has come forward to the media (which would lap it up ) to contradict crowley's account of gates' behavior is quite telling as to the fact that he is honest.

this is a guy with an excellent record, who was confronted by a raging horse's ass who actually said "i'll see your mama on the porch" and handled himself not perfectly, but quite well.

i REALLY wish there was a video of this incident.

[gopiscrap]

34. Any white fucker with a badge becomes a racist in order

to survive and thrive in the copculture...any black cop generally turns a blind eye to all the cop bullshit that goes on, otherwise his white partner just might not back him up the next time he needs it!

[Mudoria]

45. Who let the morons in?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

61. The President says he is an Outstanding Officer.

[paulsby]

63. that;s bigoted, irrational and untrue

but feel free to wallow in your prejudices.

[enzymatic]

38. But does there really need to be a video of it? You sound quite correct:

this man teaches racial profiling class! Why would a raging racist (hired and backed up by a Black commissioner) agree to teach classes of that nature when he could be on the beat harassing old Black men?:rofl:

[paulsby]

64. he's trying to subvert the dominant paradigm see...

see he teaches classes on racial profiling awareness, so he can subtly skew the teaching towards all the other bigots like him and sabotage the entire program. it's all part of the grand conspiracy (tm). this is also why he chose to work for cambridge PD, well known as one of the most liberal cities, in a liberal metropolitan area, in a liberal state. i went to academy with a few harvard PD officers (most of harvard U properties are in cambridge), and they knew all aobut the "people's republic of cambridge". the idea that this evil racist cop is some sort of stealth racist in cambridge pd of all places despite NO evidence that he has ever done or said anything racist, despite the fact that not one of the civilian witnesses has come forward to refute his officer's report observations of gates' horses ass behavior, the fact that officers in his dept. and elsewhere of various racial backgrounds have come out in his defense, the fact that obama (and you can bet dollars to doughnuts that obama's staff did some research on crowley before obama's apology) paises him, etc. means nothing to the bigots who assume that because a white officer arrested a black guy. he's a RACIST oh noes!

like i said before, i think an argument can be made that crowley didn't use the best judgment. iow, he should have justlet gates rant away on his front porch and just walk away. if the PD got complaints from neighbors about the yelling, send the officers back and go from there. crowley obviously felt otherwise, and i wasn't there, so i'm not going to fault his judgment by saying he was flat wrong, i just think an ARGUMENT can be made he might have been better off walking away and letting gates be a putz and vent his steam.

that's why i wish there was a video. i am sure it would be useful in painting a "picture". like i said, the whole mama/porch thing evidences a guy who was just being a complete ninny.

i also wonder how much of this is a class thing with gates. iow, i am sure he didn't like a WHITE officer (god forbid) daring to question his great eminence (tm), but it wouldn't surprise me if it's more a class than a race thang. iow, how dare a lowly peon blue collar cop question HIM!>!>!> don't they know WHO HE IS!!!

[LostInAnomie]

10. Just about any time anyone gets tasered anywhere.

The whole "Fuck the police" attitude around here is ridiculous.

[seabeyond]

32. like when taser went into 14 yr old girls brain? or they tasered kid 19x's and he died

or tasered the man waiting hours in airport to find old mom, and died? or the time they tasered a 14 yr old girl halloween night for saying fuck, while handcuffed?

[hfojvt]

65. well, we are the Underground

"If there is a criminal element, I am of it." Convict #9653

[Mythsaje]

12. It's fuck the BAD police...

All you police lovers can join in with the rest of us. C'mon, I know you can. "Fuck the BAD police! Fuck the swaggering badged bullies! Fuck the corrupt cops!"

See, that didn't hurt at all.

See, that's why people don't like or trust cops. Those who rise to defend them refuse to acknowledge the serious issue that gives rise to such animosity. There are too many asshole cops, too much defensiveness and opposition to citizen oversight, and too many times we've heard nothing but silence from other cops when someone's been caught doing something flagrantly wrong.

No one should hate the asshole cops more than the good ones. They're not their "Brothers (and sisters) in Blue." They're the police profession's version of the pedophile priests. Cut them loose and/or prosecute them, and decry their behavior as loud as possible. If you don't, you're just as guilty as they are.

No excuses.

On edit: Oops... didn't mean to hit "edit."

[bridgit]

13. Ummmm, it's a closed loop perpetual motion send all error reports *that* way kind of thing...

...that keeps reincarnating itself into it's backside I think :dunce: least that's the way it plays :shrug: So you see, Kabuki is really not that hard to understand after all :thumbsup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q1MPwD7zCI&feature=PlayList&p=A6149FC3FDC8A9F9&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=3

[Heidi]

16. So criticism of civil servants is "bash"ing?

Huh.

[BlooInBloo]

19. Dissent is patriotic.... Except when it's cops. This I have learned from DU.

[Heidi]

23. I guess you nailed that one, BlooInBloo.

I have to say I'm more than a little bewildered by folks who believe taxpayers should stand for outright intimidation and demands for automatic deference to civil servants whose salaries we pay.

[bridgit]

40. ^_^

The bewildering part for me is watching otherwise intelligent people broad brush "civil servants" into aggravated, abstract vacuums; a net resultant can be negative aspersions upon anybody doing anything for anyone from within a municipal capacity. And it does seem to me that unless such folks are advocating the dissolution of civil order introducing then anarchy as their preferred option; that the flat-matter of "Pigs Suck Always!!" is not enough to sustain such a transition into lawlessness, eh fuck it...

Maybe I can get a jaunty new/romantically revolutionary beret out of this 'new dem death-to-the-cops deal' somehow
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XEvVnYmSUwI/SeiKi2HMoGI/AAAAAAAAAT0/kaQVWfY4Zus/s400/Raspberry+Beret.jpg

[Heidi]

47. I don't do the "pigs suck" thing.

We're a democracy. If we didn't feel we needed to employ law enforcement officers, we could stop doing so very, very quickly. I know there are good cops, just as there are bad cops. What worries me most is the sense among various groups less powerful than law enforcement as a whole that they absolutely must bow and scrape to law enforcement to stay out of jail and/or injury free. The level of intimidation that many, many cops employ out of ego or whatever is outrageous and has to go.

[bridgit]

49. Someone else bites a rum truffle sending the scent aloft, others sensor the moment...

their tongues begin to secrete they smile and so become agreeable with the truffle by extension, whether they realize it or not. Feeding into absolutes that portray police activity as racist, bigoted, and nefarious in every...single...case, mind you (broad brush), is to be found with little appreciation for how all the pieces come together...*all* the pieces, including citizens waiting for that special technicality that will skip them off & away scot free from their own nefarious contributions, or maybe their gf dropping charges naw, I'm sorry not imo...

The myopic screed that *all cops suck!* (which is rampant here @ DU of late and predicated upon a chameleon-like support for Prof. Gates as there was no *DU Umbrage* here when it came to cops with only some people, of course, being able to do & say whatever they want to do & say in America to include presumably divisive corruption:

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE56M3QU20090723 )

Pulls the eye from the sometimes nefariously noteworthy behaviors of the citizenry itself http://www.newbritainherald.com/articles/2009/07/06/news/doc4a52ac4f2a86c083761937.txt

Vigilance is vigilance. Among the points of defense are they against enemies foreign and domestic; not foreign and cops - domestic enemies, which can be seen as we the people ourselves Madoff Abramoff Grover Norquist ENRON. It is in no-less than my opinion that it is time to bring this topic back around to where it is better applied, and out of the ivy covered towers of emotion and here-say

[gopiscrap]

35. or the soldiers

we have gotten so intellectually lazy that we have let the right wingnuts define our attitudes towards those who wield power!

[bluestateguy]

17. Sometimes police deserve to be bashed

Just like sometimes politicians, actors, athletes and businessmen deserve to be bashed. And sometimes they are praised, or in the case of the shootings earlier this year in Pittsburgh and Oakland, mourned.

[imdjh]

20. I thought is was a wonderful exercise in rage, hypocrisy, switch hitting, and all sorts of twists.

People who any other day would rage about " the rich" and defend "the worker" totally switched gears, taking the side of a man who lives in two very expensive houses and probably makes over (perhaps well over) $350K per year who for whatever reason decided to make life miserable for a union worker.

People like me, who might any other day be railing about police abuse, especially of skateboarders, are defending the cop, demanding that everyone stick to the facts, and even hinting at the idea that I might think the whole thing was staged.

And of course, all of us taking a nice mental break from important things to sort out two pissy little men having a slap fight in public.

[Onceuponalife]

21. There's not enough police bashing on DU

It never reaches the level of liberal bashing on FReep on any given day.

[imdjh]

22. The level of stupid required to sustain the level of bashing on FR would be impossible to replicate.

[stray cat]

24. Always there in abundance - DU has its blind hatreds just like free republic

A assume both are equally self-righteous as well.

[rucky]

26. RNC Convention comes to mind.

We're still learning more about the shit the St. Paul cops pulled.

[Vidar]

27. My apologies to the 40% of cops that don't deserve to be bashed.

[gopiscrap]

36. try .02%

just by becoming a cop you have an ego a mile wide, probably failed in most relationships and are on a power trip!!!

[Robb]

39. I think you need a bigger brush.

Welcome to DU. :eyes:

[rug]

28. When was the last time the police bashed?

[Ikonoklast]

29. What time is it?

We only hear or see the most egregious cases.

The powerless get to see it up close and personal on a daily basis.

Love all the apologists for those police that would abuse power, and those police that assent to that abuse by saying nothing.

Always bending their knee to Authority.

Baaaa.

[seabeyond]

31. when a police murders an innocent or tasers a child and people are "bothered" does that classify

as police bashing?

[JTFrog]

33. Fuck the apologists. Every single last one of them. Especially those here at DU.

That's right I said FUCK THEM.

Want to know how I really feel?


FUCK THE FUCKING FUCKERS!


:mad:

[Robb]

37. It's the clever comments that keep me coming back to GD.

Witty, insightful. Or inciting, whichever.

[Raineyb]

46. +1

Succinct. I like that.

:thumbsup:

[Hutzpa]

41. Another Authoritarian post

in favor of the police.......:headbang:

[bridgit]

44. We all need to move over here cause this place can't make up it's mind:

http://ao.warcry.com :headbang:

[Odin2005]

50. criticizing pigs isn't "bashing"

I'll quit "bashing" cops when the so-called "good" cops stop enabling the pigs.

[datasuspect]

55. wow. you used "bash" and "vitriol" all in the same post?

i think that's on page 73 of the playbook.

[Cid_B]

67. There's a book?!

Why didn't someone tell me?

(Seriously though,I have no idea what you are trying to say. It may be me though, its 3am)

[Iggo]

66. Probably the last time the police did something stupid.

I believe they killed a man at a train station in the bay area. That may have been it.

Or they beat up a hancuffed girl in a holding cell. That might've been it right there.

Or they threw a party to remenisce about how they beat a shitload of protesters in Chicago '68. Maybe that was it.

You see, they fuck up so much, it's hard for me to remember which one was the latest one.

Probably one of those, though.