The Fix to Corporate-Based, Profit-Driven, 37th-Ranked Healthcare System is Called- "Single Payer"

[Orwellian_Ghost]

Publicly financed and privately delivered. A form of it is already in place. It is called Medicare. It's called the plan the politicians, the military and bureaucrats already have.

The proposition that the so-called "public option" will be a significant change to the current system is simply preposterous.

[Sebastian Doyle]

1. Anyone who unrecs this thread is a goddamn Freeper

Seriously. Because only a goddamn corporatist Republican pig would believe that ANY involvement of corporations in healthcare on any goddamn level would be better than single payer.

Don't give me any horseshit about who campaigned on what (which for that matter, depends on WHICH campaign you're talking about). Don't give me any horseshit about "bipartisanshit" - that was NOT a typo - or what the Blue Balled Cowards and Treasonous Corporate Fellaters of the DLC will support.

FUCK THEM. They've been fucking us for over 28 years.

Single payer is the plan that makes the most sense financially. It makes the most sense ethically. It makes the most sense medically. Anyone who denies this had better divulge where their fucking paycheck is coming from.

[foginthemorn]

The political will is lacking from the WH to truly lead.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

4. "Public Option"

which in itself is a very Orwellian term, was designed to keep Single-Payer off the table. There is only one way to solve this.

BTW your post is fucking beautiful. Refreshing to hear some straight talk here.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

7. A coward

did the UNREC thing. Will they speak up? Doubtful.

[earth mom]

8. Wish I could REC your post! Kick the soulless vampire bastards making money off of human pain

out of our health care!!!

p.s. It's not a secret that freepers are rampant around here-look no further than GD-P.

:puke:

[Sebastian Doyle]

10. Bill Maher should copyright that slogan and start printing bumperstickers

I know I'd buy a few of them :)

[earth mom]

11. Me too!

:thumbsup:

[Naturyl]

12. You'll also get a few unrecs from the libertarian capitalist apologist crowd.

They can be found in pretty much every health care thread, at one point or another.

These are generally the types who are liberal on every social issue, but choke when it comes to economic progressivism.

[mmonk]

17. LOL. Tell it!

The truth will set them free. I'm with you.

[JimWis]

18. I like your statement Sebastian.

[bkkyosemite]

2. We need to fax, phone and demand Single Payer. I do it everyday. I got this email today with an

email I sent Obama and this is what I said.

P.S. -- Here is your story as you entered it on BarackObama.com:

PRESIDENT OBAMA YOU RAN ON SINGLE PAYER MEDICAL INSURANCE/UNIVERSAL CARE..TO HELL WITH INSURANCE COMPANIES WHERE CONGRESS AND THE SENATE ARE IN CONNECTION WITH AND IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT YOU ARE NOT STARTING FROM SCRATCH. WHAT MATTERS IS.......THE PEOPLE WANT SINGLE PAYER NOW!!!!!!!!!! LISTEN TO US .... WE WANT SINGLE PAYER NOW...

That is about my tenth email to Obama. He ran on Single Payer/Universal and then backed off. I am angry at that. Single Payer is the only way to go.

The legislators are being bribed by Insurance/Pharma and they say they are gifts but are what they are bribes. They are taking bribes and need to be arrested ALL OF THEM!

[foginthemorn]

3. I agree. I have written and called various political folks. Many

agree but have NO political courage.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

5. So give it to them

Give them the courage. Sometimes that means you leave them no choice. Funny how cowardly bureaucrats find their spine in front of their righteously angry constituents.

[Jkid]

6. That's why they do not public support single payer: No political willpower.

If they do support single payer publicly. The medical industry and the folks at Fox News will slander them as Communists.

[earth mom]

9. The time has come for Obama & the rest of Washington DC to stop playing politics

with peoples lives and do the right thing!

[Orwellian_Ghost]

13. Ain't gonna happen

Divorce yourself from that notion immediately. Power cedes nothing...

Mass sustained direct action is the only solution at this point. We have been patient, we have done everything within the game. No results. It is We The People who have been violated.

[Leopolds Ghost]

14. The fix consists of MANDATED PUBLIC-PRIVATE INSURANCE COVERAGE. YOU WILL PROVE HARDSHIP OR BE FINED

$1,000 for year for "endangering the public" by not carrying insurance.

As usual, DRIVERS are leading the way for whittling away our
constitutional rights to freedom of contract and personal privacy
protected by the 9th Amendment. Many if not most drivers, especially
those too young to remember the freedoms touted by the US during the
Cold War, say "I don't mind being forced to carry ID in public at
risk of arrest or not being allowed into public buildings, I have to
in order to drive. I don't mind being forced to buy insurance from
a private provider, I have to in order to renew my license. If you
don't have a car, there are non-driver IDs available that we can
compel you to carry so that we're all equally under the same degree
of requirements in order to avoid being arrested or fined for not
having 'papers, please'". In this case, private insurance papers.

[Leopolds Ghost]

15. Let's be specific: THE DEMOCRATIC (!) plan is the MITT ROMNEY "PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY" Mass plan.

Forcing Americans to buy private health insurance -- unless they make the cut for Medicare in the FIRST place.

Mitt Romney also killed affordable housing in the Massachusetts constitution, ending support for rent control and public housing -- another action that is now praised as a part of the "Massachusetts LIBERAL model" which Clinton and Obama have convinced all the major caucuses to support as part of the new Democratic platform. Up is down.

And these YUPPIE PRICKS on the Internet who send us mass mailers on a daily basis asking us to support EVERY FACET of the new Administration, no matter how right wing, against the "Republican assault" have the GALL to proclaim that people who don't have insurance are, as Clinton and her aides (who are now Obama aides) put it, "freeloaders".

[foginthemorn]

20. and as the nytimes pointed out today..

the subsidies may not be enough to make the plan affordable.

[Sebastian Doyle]

21. Even if the plan was "affordable", we couldn't afford it.

Any bill that ensures the involvement of corporations in "healthcare" forever is simply NOT acceptable.

[Thothmes]

16. Not quite accurate

The military is almost a completely socialized system. The doctors, nurses, lab techs etc. are government employees. The hospitals, labs and clinics are government property. The only fee for service is certain catagories of personnel have to pay for the food they eat in military hospitals. The politicians and bureaucrats pay for health insurance under the same program as any federal employee. They pay premiums, and copays for services and drugs.

[Karmadillo]

19. Could a protest for single-payer get a million people to DC?

nt

[Laelth]

22. Hear, hear! n/t

:dem:

-Laelth