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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:16 PM
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I'm still bothered by the fact that Sharpton is calling for Imus to resign.
Edited on Mon Apr-09-07 11:41 PM by AJ9000
Let's have an alternative view on this thing:

http://www.politopics.com/2007/04/imus-apologizes.html

“I'm still bothered by the fact that Sharpton is calling for Imus to resign. This is the same Sharpton who did NOT invite Imus on his show when Imus was trying to get publicity for sickle cell. Sharpton is going to say he should lose his job because he disrespected black women. Black leaders all across the country are saying that this is unacceptable. Meanwhile, millions of black kids will come home after school today and watch an hours worth of videos that send them the message that black women aren't worth s^%$. Where are those same black leaders? Yes, they might blah, blah, blah about it, but who among them has called for resignations in the rap industry? Is the message that white men must respect black women but black man don't?”

EDIT

A couple of points based on early responses:

1. Notice how quickly one is branded a “racist” when entertaining an argument considered not politically correct (and from supposedly tolerant liberals like us.) We really can't have a debate about race in this country without accusations of racism being hurled about.

2. Where the hell is the forgiveness for these people like Imus who apologize all over themselves after a mistake? (Ditto Kramer)

Imus walks a tightrope each day on his show trying to be provocative without crossing some imaginary line. With this comment (which I think was offensive to all women, not just black women) he crossed it.

But he (like Kramer) has done nothing but apologize since, yet there is no forgiveness - and by folks who claim to be Christian.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:19 PM
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1. You are spewing the right wing talking point of the day
I am curious where you got it.....John Fund was just spewing that exact "Rap video" line on MSNBC....
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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:25 PM
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10. Where did I get it? Did you see the link I posted? nm
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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:31 AM
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53. sounds like BS from Imus' public relations firm
He probably had to drop a million bucks to hire some fancy law firm to spam websites and pretend he's not a sexist racist bigot. I hope they fire his sorry ass - I will sure as hell never buy any product sponsored on his bigot show.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:19 PM
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2. Imo, I would like rap/gangster rap to be banned.
But I know that won't happen. Those rappers should be ashamed of themselves of what they are rapping. I don't listen to rap but I read some of what they say. And have you seen any of those videos? Shame on those chicks for dancing in those videos. But it's their first amendment right, right?
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:24 PM
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8. Not nearly all rap is like that.
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INDIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 01:26 AM
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96. I listen to rap. And yes, 95% of it is exactly like that. nt
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 07:12 AM
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97. 95% of what you see on MTV/BET is.
But not 95% of the genre as a whole, believe me.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:28 PM
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16. Let's review
White girl wants to "ban" black cultural form.

Gotcha.

Thanks for being a good liberal.

:rofl:
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:43 AM
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60. uhhh
well, you'll see
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 07:59 AM
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98. I'd rather keep my 1st amendment. It's more important than you being offended.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:19 PM
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3. Yeah all of sudden white guys are worried about black women being
Edited on Mon Apr-09-07 11:20 PM by Lex
respected by black men? By what black leaders are doing within their community regarding videos?

Give me a break.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:23 PM
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:25 PM
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11. Agreed n/t
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:41 PM
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26. I think you are out of line. The original poster raises valid points
Edited on Mon Apr-09-07 11:43 PM by wisteria
and just because someone doesn't agree that Imus is a racist doesn't make that person a racist. Why is it ok or acceptable for rappers to denigrate women and call other African Americans derogatory terms? I don't see any of the outrage focused on them or see anyone demanding that their CD's be banned or blocked from being downloaded. Don't you see some hypocrisy here?
This is not blaming AA for Imus's comments, it is just raising questions as to a double standard and the ulterior motives of some in the media. The man has apologized-more than once. He realizes how hurtful his comments were and he is trying to make amends. Why is that not enough? What good will actually come from him being fired or even branded a racist? This action will not stop racism and will not allow for any dialog.

Imus' comments were very bad. I will not dispute that fact,but I think this mob like call for blood is just as bad. Lighten up, peace comes with forgiveness.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:48 PM
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:21 AM
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48. Sharpton accepted his apology, he forgave him. This isn't about forgiveness.
It's about whether a person paid to express his views on national television and radio should continue to be paid by that tv and radio network to say the types of things he said. The fact that MSNBC is willing to forgive the poor white man his sins and pat the poor little offended African-Americans on the head and tell them they just don't understand is beyond appalling. It goes right to the heart of the race problem in America. It's the essence of white supremacy, in the most general meaning of the phrase.

All that about rap music and the rest is a different argument. Start a thread about that, if you feel so motivated. But that has nothing to do with Imus, Sharpton, or this issue, and the fact that the OP lumped them together still doesn't make them relevant to each other.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 03:02 PM
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85. The Imus show is entertainment- he isn't watched for his POV.
IMO, no one takes him seriously. He is Dr. Jeckel and Mr. Hyde. He's comments and opinions change daily. Who watches him for his "news" reporting? It is not that type of program. It is morning baloney with some shock value thrown in.

You take this all to far. No one is patting anyone on the head and trying to be patronizing.

You see major problems with racism in America? You see discrimination? The are much more affective ways to address the issue and gain the results you are after. This is more about getting Imus than it is about anything else. It is easy outrage. You want to really address the problem of racism? You have to work a little harder than this. You have to face the problem straight on- not just attack and deal with one of the symptoms.

Where was all the outrage after Katrina? Now, the treatment given AA during that tragedy deserved the kind of outrage I am seeing demonstrated against one man. And, sorry all the references are relevant. They present the broader picture and question some hypocrisy being demonstrated here.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 12:53 AM
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95. Nice rant, if it were directed at someone else and had anything to do with Imus.
I see major problems with race in America. One of the most blatant problems I see right now is that a television personality called a group of young, exemplary, African American students "nappy headed hos" (and that's not all) and some people are actually claiming the television personality should keep his job, and attacking the African American leader who is calling for him to be fired. I can't see beyond that, frankly. In a nation where that type of farce can happen, there is no worse race issue. This isn't a demonstration against one man. This is a demonstration against an entire culture of white supremacy that expects to get away with dehumanizing a minority culture because it knows the majority culture will rally around its own. Frankly, the attempts to defend this white man by attacking black rappers and other black leaders is EXACTLY the race problem in America. It is exactly what caused the horrifying lack of reaction after Katrina. It is exactly what allowed Katherine Harris to purge black voters from Florida voting lists. It is exactly what causes our prisons and criminal penalties to exhibit such extreme racial bias. It is exactly the problem. White culture always rallies around itself, and even if you can't grasp this, it does patronizingly pat people on the head and tell them not to worry about it. And it blames the victims for their own predicament.

You are part right. Imus isn't the problem. The problem is that he is going to get away with it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:22 PM
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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:27 PM
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12. Well that didn't take long did it?
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:29 PM
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18. The truth is often prompt
Just sayin...
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:35 PM
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20. Wait, were you expecting someone to respond a certain way?
Please explain. :)


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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:23 PM
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5. Typical Republican response.
And that's a Republican's blog you're linking to.

"We ought to be able to call them n_____s, because they call themselves n_______s."

Sorry--I ain't buying that.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:24 PM
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7. That's just another way of saying you think Imus did nothing wrong
There is not need rationalization, Imus was wrong plain and simple.
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WhollyHeretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:25 PM
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9. Thanks for posting that racist garbage
:puke: :eyes:
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:27 PM
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13. I am too, and I am no rightwinger. You raise valid points. n/t
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:28 PM
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14. Imus is garbage and should be put out with the trash...
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:28 PM
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15. Holy crap
And I mean crap.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:29 PM
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17. I'm not. I'm kinda proud of the Reverend, in fact.
The bottom line has nothing to do with rap music, sickle cell anemia, or what race of men get to disrespect what race of women. It has only to do with highly racist and sexist comments Imus made on his show. The only issue is whether those who hire Imus want what he's selling anymore. Sharpton is trying to show them the cost of doing business with Imus.

You don't like rap music? Attack it on your own time, don't pretend that because you interpret rap music one way that somehow Imus is less offensive to others. That would be like attacking Iraq because some criminal living in Afghanistan attacked you. Imus stands or falls on his own merit, not on ever nuance of race and gender relations in America.
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WhollyHeretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:31 PM
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19. Nice points
:thumbsup:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:38 PM
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23. Imus tripped over his tongue again.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:50 PM
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35. I don't think that's all it is.
I think he tripped over his inner being. He made a comment today on Sharpton's show that he just couldn't please "you people." That seems to me to reveal a deeper problem than getting carried away with a sense of humor.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:54 PM
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36. His inner being:

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:08 AM
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43. Thanks. Now I have melba toast crumbs on my screen.
:)
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 01:14 AM
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75. Oh, YEAH! Very telling. "You people" tells you all you need to know about this old bastard.
Flailing away at Al Sharpton, reduced to wailing out Al Sharpton represents a mass of "you people" to him, not one person who's good and tired of his dirty, exploitive, underhanded rancor posing as humor.



Oh, you people!!!!11!!!1!!!
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:27 AM
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50. Does Imus stand on his own?
Or did he say something about the Rutger's players that Rappers repeatedly say about all women? Where did he get the term 'ho'?
http://www.nashvillescene.com/Stories/Cover_Story/2007/04/05/The_Bitch_Ho_Problem/index.shtml
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:35 AM
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57. So if your friend jumped off a bridge would you do it, too?
Where he heard it or who else said it is irrelevant to whether MSNBC should continue to pay him to say things like that about college student/athletes or anyone else. Sharpton is dead right on this.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:38 PM
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21. Anus looks and acts like Imhotep with a cowboy hat.
Sharpton is right, having the bastard gone would be the best thing for all parties involved or not.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:41 PM
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27. LOLOL!!!!!
Edited on Mon Apr-09-07 11:41 PM by Swamp Rat
It would be a sin to photoshop this one: :D


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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:38 PM
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22. Sharpton is about publicity. Too bad as he could be someone really great
He has the brains and the star power to have been a great leader. But, he loves publicity for himself too much and is about himself. He could have used it to be an amazing person.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:49 PM
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:55 PM
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38. Your words, not mine
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:59 PM
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39. Uh huh
Edited on Tue Apr-10-07 12:00 AM by alcibiades_mystery
You know what il progress were sayin', dawg.

Keep pretending.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 01:22 AM
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77. Looks like an example of E.S.P. (Extra Sharpton Perception)!
The rest of us will just have to get by with our own more modest, ordinary mental skills.

Could be a couple of DU visitors will have to teach him a lesson in humility.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:06 AM
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42. Whether a person agrees or disagrees with that statement, what does it have to do with Imus?
Are you saying that Sharpton is wrong, that Imus was okay in what he said? Does your opinion of Sharpton shade your opinion of Imus? I'm not making accusations, I'm asking. This was a thread about Sharpton's response to Imus, yet I see nothing about Imus in your thread, only a criticism of Sharpton in general.

For the record, I disagree with you on Sharpton. Somehow, that charge of publicity-hound and ego-centricity is always thrown at African-American leaders, from Fredrick Douglass to WEB Dubois to MLK to Jesse Jackson to Al Sharpton. The charge always echoes the "uppity, doesn't know his place" accusations that date back to proper slave behavior. It's one of those phrases that makes me cringe, like "articulate black man" or "some of my best friends are black." I think Sharpton has done a lot to bring attention to race issues he has taken a leadership role in, and I think a lot of times white America didn't appreciate that publicity. But I don't see Sharpton, nor the others, as doing it for his own aggrendizement. He's just doing what has to be done to get the majority to care about injustices to the minority.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:40 PM
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24. An Alternative view is fine, let's keep it informed however.
REV. AL SHARPTON: We have this morning sent a letter to the FCC, asking for them to take action, and we want to meet with the commissioners of the FCC. If the FCC cannot say to stations that this is not allowed, then what is their role as regulators? Are they saying to taxpayers that it's alright that racist, sexist remarks go out over the airwaves? That is not part of our regulation.

That’s not a question now of free speech. This is a question of where we regulate radio and regulate TV differently for different people. There are any number of deejays around the country, even black, that have been fired and suspended for saying things far less offensive, but offensive. And I have supported that, even friends of mine, because I think that you cannot allow the airwaves to become the toilet of racist language in America.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/09/144256
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:41 PM
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25. Hate vs stupidity
White racism, rooted in hate, allows thousands of New Orleanians to be drowned in Newt's bathtub come to life.

Rap, rooted in shared experience, says stupid shit and some of it expresses the white racism like Imus's just spewed - but stupid white people didn't know what that was about either. If one were to censor rap based on words, we would lose some of the rap that expresses the inner city experience as well.

Sharpton didn't invite Imus on his show because they notoriously say racist shit on that show.

Don't worry. This will pass. "They" aren't coming to kill whitey just yet. :eyes:

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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:41 PM
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28. Al Sharpton is one of the biggest critics of music that treats women like crap
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2bfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:42 PM
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29. Imus is a pig.
Pure and simple.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:47 PM
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30. Shift the focus from Imus to Sharpton
That's the Rethuglican way!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:47 PM
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31. I see your edit and raise you a response:
:D

"We really can't have a debate about race in this country without accusations of racism being hurled about." - Why would race be an important issue if racism did not exist? Why would we need to discuss it at all?

Hint: Race is a construct.


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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:04 AM
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41. I'm saying rational debate on issues re: race are hard to
come by b/c of knee-jerk accusasions of racism aimed at one or more of the participants who may hold an unpopular or unconventional view.

So the entire issue is often avoided.

If you disagree w/ the quoted link, fine. Let's hear a rational response - that's a healthy thing. But people should not cry racism at me b/c of it. (Look at some of the attacks on me for simply posting a link with a quote, done partly for the sake of exposing a point not being heard much here.)

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:14 AM
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46. OK, then how about a rational response to my questions?:
"We really can't have a debate about race in this country without accusations of racism being hurled about." - Why would race be an important issue if racism did not exist? Why would we need to discuss it at all?

Note: go back two spaces for your hint.



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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:33 AM
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56. Rational responses - can we all handle them without name-calling?
1. "Why would race be an important issue if racism did not exist?" It wouldn't be unless you had groups falsely claiming it still did. This percieved racism would then have to be addressed.

2. "Why would we need to discuss it at all?" See above answer.

P.S. I never made the claim that racism didn't exist as your qustions seem to imply.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:45 AM
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63. "can we all handle them without name-calling?" - Did I call you a name? Where?
If that was a rational response, then please be more specific because I have the feeling you are accusing me of something.

"I never made the claim that racism didn't exist as your qustions seem to imply." - I made no such implication.

You still haven't answered this question:

You: "12. Well that didn't take long did it?"

Me: "20. Wait, were you expecting someone to respond a certain way?"

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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:49 AM
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66. Guy, read it again. I said "we all" not "Swamp Rat." Some have been name-calling.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:54 AM
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71. Thanks for the clarification. I'll feel 'right as rain' if you would please answer my first question
You: "12. Well that didn't take long did it?"

Me: "20. Wait, were you expecting someone to respond a certain way?"
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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 01:33 AM
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80. Wait, were you expecting someone to respond a certain way?"
No. But the quickness of racism accusations for simply posting a reference with an alternative view-point surprised me on this nice, tolerant, liberal forum we have here.

If you are hinting this entire thread was troll-bait, it wasn't. I felt Imus was being savaged a bit without hearing the other side of the story.

However, I'll admit if I had known about so many other things Imus has said (I'm not a regular listener,) I might not have posted it.

Now can we shake on it and call it night?

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 01:44 AM
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81. ok
Nite nite! :hi:


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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:53 AM
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70. delete
Edited on Tue Apr-10-07 12:54 AM by Swamp Rat
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #41
52. "Nappy headed hos."
Tell me how there can be any response by rational people to that remark other than charges of racism. It's racism pure and simple.

In your quest for "rationality," you appear dismissive and contrived.
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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 02:04 AM
Response to Reply #52
84. Tell me how there can be any response by rational people to that remark otherthan charges of racism"
Easy: Charges of sexism.

But you ignored that didn't you Maddy? (Are you sexist or something?) Perhaps you are the one who appears "dismissive and contrived."
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #84
92. It's both,but how many times do you hear "Nappy" used in reference to white people's hair?
But hey,if it's only sexism instead of racism...
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:49 PM
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33. Forgiveness is NOT the issue. Week after week Imus has been doing this
and making hateful remarks not only against African Americans, but also Arabs, and Jews. This is not an aberration, this is trademark. for us to say Imus spews hate is like saying McDonalds serves meat.

It doesn't matter how god will judge him, or how we judge him as an individual (which i think serves no purpose at all), it matters that we think msnbc and cbs is disrespecting the public by allowing this man to spread hate over airwaves.

Whose airwaves? Our airwaves. Take it back!
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 11:59 PM
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40. Let me ask you this. Let's say you are a boss on a construction site
and one of your employees is very clumsy. He keeps dropping things, and messing things up. Every time he does this, he apologizes profusely. But his accidents is costing you thousands. One time he shows up for work drunk, and knocks over some material and injures some coworkers. He apologizes profusely, and looks at you with sincere eyes.

What do you do?

Forgive him and let him keep his job?
Forgive him and let him go?
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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:09 AM
Response to Reply #40
44. Give me 3 more comments like this regarding race Imus has made within the last year.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:10 AM
Response to Reply #44
45. Why within the last year?
Is there a statute of limitation on racism?
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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #45
47. Maybe he's right. I want to know if there is a patern there. I don't listen to Imus much.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #47
49. Obviously, you don't.
There's a pattern. I watch Imus most mornings.

I think that many of us have been kinda forgiving in the past, when he called Arabs "ragheads" or women "skanks." We'd let the misogyny and racism slide sometimes because he'd 'make up for it' by calling Limbaugh "a fat pill-popping loser."

But this...this goes beyond anything he's said before. The pattern has been established. Nothing he can say will make up for it---because he's been doing this for a LOOONG time.



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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:28 AM
Response to Reply #49
51. Hi Maddy!
Why won't the OP answer my questions? :cry:



:D

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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #51
54. Because he's looking for a "rational" response.
You know, one that affirms what he's trying to say. :eyes:

The only rational response to "nappy headed hos" is "That's RACISM."

Shit--why is that so hard for people to understand?

(:hi: Swampy. :hug: )
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #54
59. It ain't hard to understand
unless you try really, really hard not to understand it. All these white folk forgiving Imus and feeling sorry for him and all, bless their little white hearts. Mighty white of 'em, ain't it?

Christ, it's 2007, and we have discussions like this on a liberal web site.

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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:43 AM
Response to Reply #45
62. Why would i have to go back that far. Why not the last month?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #62
87. I just found it funny that he would include that caveat
Like anything before that wouldn't be counted.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:33 AM
Response to Reply #44
55. He and his producer made a racial comment about the Williams sisters.
They also referred journalist Gwen Ifill as the "cleaning lady".
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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:38 AM
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58. Thank you. I assume Gwen is black?
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:43 AM
Response to Reply #58
61. ...
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:46 AM
Response to Reply #44
64. Anti Arab remarks:
MSNBC Apologizes for 'Imus' Remarks

(WASHINGTON, D.C., 11/23/04)- The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)
announced today that MSNBC cable television network has apologized for
anti-Arab/anti-Muslim remarks made on its "Imus in the Morning" program.

CAIR filed an FCC complaint over comments on a November 12th ‘Imus’ program that
referred to Palestinians as "stinking animals" and suggested that they all be
killed.

SEE: Palestinians Called 'Stinking Animals' on MSNBC's 'Imus'
http://www.cair-net.org/asp/article.asp?id=1331&page=NR

In a November 19th segment commenting on the apparent execution of a wounded
Iraqi in Fallujah by a U.S. Marine, a fictitious "Senior Military Affairs
Advisor" to the program justified the killing by referring to a "booby-trapped
raghead cadaver." The fictitious advisor also said the killing provided an
"Al-Jazeera moment" causing the "Muslim masses to respond with their routine
pack of rabid sheep mentality."

http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=1338&theType=NR
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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #64
72. Jeez. nm
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #44
65. Anti Jewish Rant of Imus.
http://www.adl.org/media_watch/radio/20041220-Imus.htm

We were troubled by your remark on the December 15 edition of Imus in the Morning and Imus On MSNBC, where you referred to the publishers of a new book called "The Christmas Thief" as "thieving Jews," and your subsequent "apology" on the same program, where you said (of thieving Jews), "I apologize … I realize that's redundant."

While we understand that your show is meant to be caustic, edgy and irreverent, we were deeply troubled by your words. As you know, the thieving Jew is an age-old anti-Semitic canard that still, unfortunately, has great currency today.

http://www.adl.org/media_watch/radio/20041220-Imus.htm
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #44
68. Called described William Rhoden of The New York Times as "a quota hire,"
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:50 AM
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67. "and by folks who claim to be Christian."
I beg your pardon. I am not a Christian.

If I thought Imus had a true epiphany, a defining moment, became a better person, of course I would forgive him. That's kind of the point for people like me. I'm not a pound-of-flesher. I prefer someone's consciousness be raised.

Have those things happened? Or has he just apologized because he's in trouble? He has a history of Jerk Mouth.

Just saying the words because your ass is in trouble means nothing.

Lee
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:52 AM
Response to Reply #67
69. If he were truly repentant, he would leave broadcast to those more capable.
I would accept his apology if it came with a resignation letter.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 01:07 AM
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73. Imus is a serial offender when it comes to racist/sexist comments. He's been under fire before
for his comments and those of his colleagues on the program. It's not like he doesn't know when he and his program have repeatedly gone over the line. According to Clarence Page, in 2000 Imus promised him that he would change the tone of his program and stop with the racist comments. The program didn't change, the comments continued.

The day after this latest incident Imus response to criticism was to just blow off the whole thing. It was just a joke. But then MSNBC started distancing itself from Imus, making its own statement and passing the buck to Imus' radio corporate masters. That was a sign. (I suspect NBC/MSNBC was a tad uncomfortable having their reporters/hosts go back parading on Imus' show without some on air mea culpa from Imus. Imus/NBC/MSNBC have a symbiotic relationship: it's not about news or substance, it's about cross-promotion of their respective "brands.")

So the next day, which was two days after his original comments, Imus apologied. Did he suddenly become contrite? Or isn't it more likely that he was under pressure from his corporate masters to do an obligatory apology?

Apologies and previous promises to change don't mean much when the behavior continues. I think Imus is sincerely sorry that this time his corporate masters aren't letting his shit slide as before. Although the more he "apologizes," the riskier it gets if his performance with Sharpton is anything to go by.
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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 01:14 AM
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74. Due to the *substantive responses* of Tom Joad and Cat girl 25
(as opposed to the senseless name-calling of certain folks here) I'm gonna call it a night on highlighting alternative view points for the sake of fairness. It appears Imus may be alot worse than I first thought (and offensive to many groups), which would explain some of the intensity on this thread.

Thanks to Tom and Cat_girl25 for the posts.

All be well.

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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 01:28 AM
Response to Reply #74
79. I think you mean "highlighting a Republican's blog."
But thanks for the enlightenment. :sarcasm:

I don't think you thought before you posted--at the very least, you certainly didn't research Imus' history, and that's one reason that people are so pissed--because he's done it before, and apologized, and it made NO difference.

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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 01:44 AM
Response to Reply #79
82. Nothing wrong with alternative views necesarily. If they're off, point out how
as Tom and catgirl25 did. I honestly didn't know he'd said so many outrageous things. But I insist my post was not racist or inappropriate. I didn't have time to become an "Imus expert" before putting that quote up for debate. End result: I learned Imus may be nastier than I thought, and DU perhaps less tolerant than I thought.

BTW on your "Republican's blog" reference: Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 01:16 AM
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76. I'm not. Look what they forced Bill Maher off the air for.
So one of these myriad obnoxious right-wing blowhards actually got called on the hate they perpetually spew. Big tragedy. I'm sure Imus has a well diversified portfolio of bonds and no-load mutual funds. I think he'll be okay. Cry me a fuckin' river.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 01:27 AM
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78. You can't apologize away an attitude.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 01:52 AM
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83. I'm still bothered Sharpton isn't calling for Imanass to be FIRED!
Edited on Tue Apr-10-07 01:57 AM by TankLV
oh, wait, he is - good for Sharpton!

Imus is a RACIST and GARBAGE.

If you don't think he did anyting wrong, or a simple apology is all that is needed, you're a racist.

It's that simple.

Period.

Too bad if you don't like it or disagree...
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #83
86. Excuse me, but I don't agree with your premise and I am not a racist.
And, I resent you trying to demonetize and tag everyone who disagrees with your POV as being a racist. I won't be challenged and bullied because I do not share your POV. How dare you even suggest something like this. What country do you live in? I live in America where people are FREE to express their opinions without accusations and harassment being hurled their way.

Oh, and to bad you are so insecure and pigheaded that you can't even respect the right of others to disagree with your own opinions, so much so that you have to resort to name calling and false comparisons.
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buddinganarchist Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 04:25 PM
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88. I think it is hilarious that Fox news is in essence defending Sharpton.
Fox has gone off the deep end, calling Imus left wing. Imus is left wing my foot. hehe. Fox needs to goooo.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 04:27 PM
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89. Its too late, how could he NOT be aware of the backlash considering
the Richardson actions? You cannot be serious that a man so long in the public eye and seemingly quite aware of the issues of the day could so easily spew such filth on his show? The man needs to go and I hope this issue does not get hidden away under the rug because it is proof positive in my opinion that racism is more than rampant in today's society though it is mostly hidden behind closed doors, I for one am glad he said what he said, it proves my point that racism is alive and well and unless it is dicussed it will never go away...the man is slime and I don't say this lightly.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 04:31 PM
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90. Imus has done a lot of good with his Imus Ranch & Heroes Fund but
why does he have to go calling people offending names?
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 04:33 PM
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91. Sharpton is all about himself, getting attention.
What the fuck does he do other than go around proclaiming himself to be the moral arbiter of public behavior?

Especially with HIS past? Jesus.

Anyway, you gotta learn how to ignore him, and many here at DU who are putting on a show to prove how PC they can be. You'll notice they scream about "tolerance" but they're quick to brand people who don't agree with them. Most are hypocrites with little or no guiding principles.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 04:52 PM
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93. Most are hypocrites with little or no guiding principles.
Most who support Imus are racist.

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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #91
94. LOL...."Sharpton on trial!"
You're funny
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