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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 02:48 AM Original message |
There's something wrong with charging 40,000 dollars a year to attend a university... |
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MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:01 AM Response to Original message |
1. "If a student is willing to put forth the effort, they deserve the best education possible." . . . |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. That isn't entirely true... |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:20 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. The CSU system is top notch (Davis, Berkeley, UCLA, etc.)... |
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MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:26 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. The UC system is (or was) very good. Just shows that money isn't the only thing . . . |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
95. UC != CSU |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:21 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. whoops |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:21 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. whoops redux |
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MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:24 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Sure there's space for you -- if you pony up the cash. |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:30 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. What is the "criteria"? |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:35 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Connections? George W. Bush wouldn't have gotten anywhere if it weren't for his family name. |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:38 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. I think you may not be factoring in one very relevant contingent... |
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lolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #9 |
82. Private universities |
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MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 01:58 AM Response to Reply #9 |
129. It's clearly merit plus money. There may be other criteria. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
99. It is not fair |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:32 PM Response to Reply #99 |
118. And thus, in that respect, college is a realistic introduction to the rest of your life. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
71. Only the best students on merit - if you make the cut great. Effort alone means nothing |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 10:53 AM Response to Reply #1 |
81. Go here, take a look at this |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #1 |
84. Millions? Hardly. Faculty paid mass quantities? WHERE? |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #84 |
119. Maybe by "faculty" they meant administrators and football coaches? |
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MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 02:07 AM Response to Reply #84 |
130. 17 million US college students in 2003 . . . |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
111. The cost of college goes up way faster than the cost of inflation, and |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. I know that some ASU professors making 150K+ per year... |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #112 |
125. That's way more than I would have guessed |
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Diane R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:29 AM Response to Original message |
8. The 'best education' doesn't have to be at a private university. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:36 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. But the poster is right. Public universities are not affordable any more. |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:40 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. That is even becoming true for the CSU system... |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:43 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. there ARE many students who go to CSU or even UCs who never took Calculus |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:46 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. I pretty sure the math requirement for CSU GE includes calculus now... |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:54 AM Response to Reply #22 |
29. you mean required to graduate from csu ? |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:57 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. No, I'm talking about admittance. |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:58 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. i'm pretty sure you still don't need it to get admitted |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:07 AM Response to Reply #35 |
43. You are keerect! |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:23 AM Response to Reply #22 |
74. Not in all majors |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:44 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. I could not afford Cal today as I managed to in 1985. |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:46 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. You make a good point. Bushco totally destroyed the grant system. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:48 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Have you scouted for scholarships? I bought a list |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:50 AM Original message |
Yeah I continue to apply online. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:52 AM Response to Original message |
26. I loved my years at Berkeley. It's a great place. |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:50 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. The UC/CSU system is under serious pressure from California's financial situation. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:55 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Unbelievable. I think my tuition WENT UP TO 10K sometime |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:58 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. She had quite a lot of personal accomplishment going into it, plus the grades. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:53 AM Response to Reply #11 |
72. 6000 a year or less at some state schools |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:38 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. There is no doubt in my mind that there is a difference... |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:42 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. What is your major, and what year are you? |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:44 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. My majors are Political Science and Philosophy. I'm a sophomore. |
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Sophree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 02:39 AM Response to Reply #8 |
132. You get what you put into it |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:40 AM Response to Original message |
14. what's your problem with ASU ? |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:43 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. My major relevent courses have been a joke so far... |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:49 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. how do you know that wont be the case if you go to Georgetown ? |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:53 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. I've taken statistics. I loved that class. I have not taken Calc... |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:56 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Well, as far as diversity of upper division classes goes... |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:57 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. i think that's just the way some social science classes might be |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:00 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. I feel it's too easy, and I'm not getting intelligent discussion in class... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:03 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. What you might consider is transferring out to Cal as a Junior. |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:05 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. That's what I've been thinking about. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:16 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. A year is enough time. And even if CA is a mess right now |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:12 AM Response to Reply #38 |
45. who are the other students in your class ? |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #38 |
121. "I learn more from personal investigation than from actual classes." |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #17 |
107. Then you're lazy |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
120. That's the way it is everywhere. |
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exboyfil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:53 AM Response to Original message |
28. You should feel fortunate to get the tuition waiver |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:57 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Sometimes it's easier to get into those schools as a junior transfer. nt |
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exboyfil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:40 AM Response to Reply #34 |
57. Getting in is different than paying the full rack rate |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:43 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. They can go together. Those schools have more financial aid |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:00 AM Response to Reply #28 |
37. this is not true, there are many people who transfer to more elite colleges |
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exboyfil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:39 AM Response to Reply #37 |
56. Do they get the same financial package as those starting out |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:02 AM Response to Original message |
39. there are plenty of schools that do not require such debt or loans... |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:04 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. It seems as though not all degrees are equal. |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:11 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. I think I understand your frustration pretty well... |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:43 AM Response to Reply #41 |
60. and you think regurgitating what all before you have is a way to learn as much as possible? |
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Bonn1997 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
100. Maybe you can inquire about becoming a research assistant for one of your professors and |
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Bonn1997 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Also, there are lots of schools in Montgomery and within an hour. You could contact professors at |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:16 AM Response to Original message |
47. Interesting discussion ... |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:24 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. hmmm I'll have to go back in and talk with my advisor again... |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:41 AM Response to Reply #50 |
58. There's part of your problem ... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:27 PM Response to Reply #58 |
113. That's why I like the small public liberal arts university I go to. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #50 |
90. If you hate big classes |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:36 AM Response to Reply #47 |
62. Correction: Georgetown is consistently ranked as one of the top 25 universities in this country |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:54 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Speaking specifically of the poli-sci department ... |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #63 |
108. Oh, okay. Thanks for the clarification! |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:17 AM Response to Original message |
48. Queens College gave me a better education than Columbia. |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:24 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. yup, McCain's daughter went to Columbia |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:20 AM Response to Reply #48 |
61. Columbia is an outstanding school and provides an amazing education |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:08 AM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Haven't been to Queens, have you? |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 09:31 AM Response to Reply #66 |
126. I've been to Queens |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:08 AM Response to Reply #48 |
64. the best science teacher i ever had was in community college. same deal. |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:26 AM Response to Original message |
51. I just re-read yer OP.... |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:26 AM Response to Original message |
52. ***Thanks for the info and words of encouragement guys*** |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:30 AM Response to Original message |
53. if you really want a learning experience, i suggest you do some travel/study thing |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:32 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I want to travel next summer. |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:37 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. yes, they are usually way too expensive |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:08 AM Response to Original message |
65. In general, you have to work harder to get the same level of education at large state schools.. |
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a la izquierda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:28 AM Response to Original message |
67. Don't know if it's been said... |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
68. i'd like to return to art school now that my kids are grown, but that kind of |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:48 AM Response to Original message |
69. Like taxing the wealthy - let the student pay it if they want too - brings money to the school |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:51 AM Response to Original message |
70. In a merit system like India and China you might have qualified for a low tier school |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:00 AM Response to Original message |
73. Can't you just transfer to the honors college? |
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GoesTo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
75. Don't be an idiot. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:45 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Excellent points... |
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LuckyLib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #75 |
92. Excellent advice. Take advantage of what your university offers in the way of the |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #75 |
109. Thanks for the info. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #75 |
114. (delete - meant to reply to top level) |
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Raspberry (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
77. You said-- |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
78. Here's something most people don't know about private colleges |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
79. I have a question about your law school plans. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
80. It costs more and it's worth less. |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
83. If you are good enough to take and excel in an advanced aerobics class |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
85. spend your money for graduate school |
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rvablue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
86. If you move to CA and establish residency, and get accepted, Berkeley will only run you |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. A room in a house in Berkeley goes for about $850 a month |
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lies and propaganda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
87. Arizona State? lol |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
88. That's why I'm going to Colorado State. n/t |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
89. we are in texas. son wants to go to colorado. 18k vs 40k. you are right. |
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End Of The Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
93. I think you are INCREDIBLY lucky. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
94. Some people work their way through school. |
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Bonn1997 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #94 |
101. I agree with this too. I did lots of extra reading just for sheer enjoyment when I was in college... |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
96. Welcome to the American class system! |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
97. What is wrong with an in-state university ,ASU is perfectly adequate |
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philosophie_en_rose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
98. Save your money for law school. |
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Dora (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
103. Eat what's on your plate. |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
104. ASU was known as a party school when I went to UCLA in the early 70's |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. And here are Kiplinger rankings on cost/value |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
106. Youm can get the same education in ASU that you can get in Georgetown |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
110. It's a way of making sure that the children of the well-to-do are mostly |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #110 |
115. BINGO! |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
116. Oich. I did six years at two universities and paid less than $40K cumulative. (nt) |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
117. There's something wrong with paying ANY dollars for education. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
122. The "top" schools are overrated. |
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dddem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
123. Getting the best education you can truly is up to you. |
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sea four (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
124. Yeah, it's classist. That is what's wrong with it |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
127. Perfect example of how education has become a two-tiered system |
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BreweryYardRat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
128. All these folks claiming you can do independent study...take 'em with a grain of salt. |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 02:26 AM Response to Original message |
131. To be fair, you are looking at one of the most expensive ones |
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Sgent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 03:03 AM Response to Original message |
133. Apply to an Ivy League schools |
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