Oh man... Lou Dobbs should be interesting tonight

[EarlG]

Face Off: Obama’s Birth Certificate
President Obama promised transparency in government… yet the White House won't release his original birth certificate. Many Americans are asking... why not? The mainstream liberal media is attacking me for simply asking the question. Meanwhile... the state of Hawaii says it cannot release a paper copy of the president's original birth certificate because it discarded the original document when its health department records went electronic eight years ago. That explanation has not satisfied critics though. Joining Lou: Roland Martin, CNN contributor and syndicated columnist, and Congressman Ted Poe.

http://loudobbs.tv.cnn.com/2009/07/24/face-off-10/

This could be a complete meltdown. I see the SPLC is now http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8550184">calling for him to be fired...

[Howardx]

1. check out this thread earlg

cnn prez says birther issue "dead"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8550422

[redqueen]

2. Oh geez...

I'm so glad he's chosen to start ranting about this on his tv show.

:rofl:

[Blue_Tires]

3. and to think there used to be quite a few Dobbs fans around here...

[redqueen]

5. Well he talked about the dangers of electronic voting...

when few other tv pundits would touch it... so for that he got more credit than he deserved.

[AngryOldDem]

27. That, and outsourcing.

But now....the man is just crazy.

[TahitiNut]

6. I've applauded Dobbs' focus on corporate corruption.

He was tenacious when the rest of the media were burying the news.

[Dutch]

24. Dobbs has, on occasion, been worthy of praise in the past. Now he's gone off the deep end.

That's life, I guess.

[BlooInBloo]

4. Would be more interesting if they had Jon Stewart.

:P

[Catshrink]

8. I would watch that!

Otherwise, I won't watch him any more than I'd watch O'Really. :puke:

[Initech]

11. Jon Stewart should be the debate moderator.

I'll go get the butter. :popcorn:

[Bumblebee]

7. He will be foaming at his mouth about this:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/07/24/us/AP-US-Border-Agent-Shot.html

CAMPO, Calif. (AP) -- A U.S. Border Patrol agent was shot to death in a remote area of San Diego County as he tracked suspected illegal immigrants or drug smugglers, authorities said Friday.

[Xipe Totec]

9. How many of us can no longer be President of the US,

because our respective states have gone to electronic records?

I bet Obama is not the only American who's identification documents only exist as bits in a computer.

I'll bet even McCain's birth certificate is also nothing but ones and zeroes on a computer by now...


And to further push this line of reasoning toward reductio ad absurdum,

If paper documents are so important, why are we moving to electronic ballots?

[johnaries]

20. Wasn't McCain born in Panama?

:evilgrin:

[Xipe Totec]

21. Yes he was!

But that's not the birther argument.

There's a long blah, blah, blah, about how it's okay to be born in Panama, so long as your parents were whit... (er.. hum...) Americans.

The birther argument is that you have to prove you were born where you say you were born, and this can only be done by producing the original document, written on paper, and signed in ink, that was created at the time of your birth.

Copies are not valid, and if the original has been digitized, it is also a copy so it is invalid.

Trouble is, by now most counties in the USA have converted public records to digitized form, so most of us can no longer prove, by birther standards, that we are indeed American citizens.

I would venture to bet, that most birthers can not meet the standard of proof they are demanding of others.

[Adelante]

26. BTW: McCain Campaign Investigated, Dismissed Obama Citizenship Rumors

I always figured they did, but this is the first time I've seen it addressed by the McCain campaign.

In the final months of the 2008 presidential race, Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) campaign learned of a lawsuit filed in Pennsylvania that asked the state to strip Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) of the Democratic nomination on suspicion that he was not an American citizen. The complaint for declaratory and injunctive relief was filed by Phil Berg, a former deputy state attorney general who left government in 1990 for a series of gadfly political campaigns. His last round of notoriety had come when he filed RICO complaints against George W. Bush, Saddam Hussein and multiple members of the Bush administration for “accountability” for the 9/11 attacks. Still, Berg’s complaint had gotten glancing local media attention, and the Democratic National Committee’s counsel had filed a motion to dismiss it. One lawyer who was doing some work for the campaign was tasked with reading Berg’s lawsuit and gauging its chances of success.

“The conversation was along the lines of ‘this is idiotic, but explain to me why,’” said the lawyer, who spoke under condition of anonymity to TWI. “I looked at whether the lawsuit was going to be dismissed. I said yes.”


-snip

“We monitored the progress of these lawsuits against the Obama campaign,” said Trevor Potter, a Washington attorney who served as general counsel to the 2008 and 2000 McCain presidential campaigns. “The McCain campaign faced a series of lawsuits like this, too, alleging that he could not be president because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. Both campaigns took the position that these plaintiffs lacked standing.”

-snip

While they ruled out any chance of the ‘birther’ lawsuits holding up in court, lawyers for the McCain campaign did check into the rumors about Obama’s birth and the assertions made by Berg and others. “To the extent that we could, we looked into the substantive side of these allegations,” said Potter. “We never saw any evidence that then-Senator Obama had been born outside of the United States. We saw rumors, but nothing that could be sourced to evidence. There were no statements and no documents that suggested he was born somewhere else. On the other side, there was proof that he was born in Hawaii. There was a certificate issued by the state’s Department of Health, and the responsible official in the state saying that he had personally seen the original certificate. There was a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser, which would be very difficult to invent or plant 47 years in advance.”

http://washingtonindependent.com/52474/mccain-campaign-investigated-dismissed-obama-citizenship-rumors?dsq=13287663#comment-13287663


The idiotic mofos in the comment section need a swift DUing. :mad:

[librechik]

28. Yeah--but I was told you have to be born here to run for Pres

an McCain was born on a US base, so he doesn't count. They're all squirrelly.

[Initech]

10. They just wont let this crap die will they?

I dont normally watch this kind of show but I'll gladly set my DVR! :popcorn:

[progressoid]

12. "The mainstream liberal media "

Oh fer fuck's sake Lou. What mainstream liberal media? The Daily Show?

Maybe you should get down to the border and protect us from those brown people some more.

[Myrina]

15. The "mainstream liberal media" that he's a part of ...

... and just exactly how 'mainstream' and 'liberal' is your employer, Lou?

That's what I thought. Clown.

[steelmania75]

13. He should go on the daily show's website, and see the clip of Lou's replacement on BO's

birth certificate.

[yellowcanine]

14. If Dobbs does this without smacking down the birthers he should be fired. This is not a legitimate

news story and should not be treated as such. "Just asking the question?" Bullshit. Like those who "just ask the question" about whether Obama is Muslim, whether John McCain had an illegitimate black daughter, etc. Sometimes "just asking the question" is a way of raising issues that are lies. Dobbs should know better and if he doesn't his superiors should fire him.

[zonkers]

17. Dobbs is brazen. He is smug. He is an awful guy.

[zonkers]

16. Roland fell right into Lou's angry black man trap. Lou is despicable. Will we see him on Fox soon?

Or will he be the new Rush?

[BlueIris]

18. Bizarre.

And yes, I think, "meltdown" is a potentially appropriate term.

[Mz Pip]

19. Time for me to

send another email to Dobbs encouraging him to keep this up. And please please bring back Oily Tights and Alan Keyes. :popcorn:

[jimlup]

22. Yeah, that is my strategy too

Push the birther thing Dobbs - Push it!

I'd love to see this guy fired so I hope it is a meltdown but it probably won't be. He'll just make a statement conceeding the point. He is a servant of the corporate master. He'll just bend over and take it.

[onehandle]

23. "Old man yells at cloud." nt

[joeybee12]

25. Dobbs is trying to get hired away by Fox...

...they take only nuts like Beck, so he's brandishing his credentials...also, they apparently pay more than CNN.

[struggle4progress]

29. Media Matters: Birther Rep. Poe: Official State Document Is "Like Me Sending Out

A Birth Announcement For One Of My Children"

July 24, 2009 4:33 pm ET by Matt Finkelstein

Rep. Ted Poe either doesn't understand what a certificate of live birth is or he sends out some pretty fancy personal announcements.

Last night on CNN, Lou Dobbs, who recently suggested President Obama might be "undocumented," hosted Rep. Ted Poe (R-TX) and Roland Martin to debate the ongoing "controversy" over the president's birth certificate. Poe, one of nine Republican co-sponsors of Rep. Bill Posey's "birther bill," repeatedly argued that Obama still hasn't proved he is a U.S. citizen. When Martin correctly pointed out that the state of Hawaii has issued official documentation that Obama was born there, Poe claimed it was irrelevant without the original birth certificate. "It's like me sending out a birth announcement for one of my children," he said ...

http://mediamattersaction.org/blog/200907240006

[TexasObserver]

30. Lou Dobbs got publicly spanked by his boss over this. Yaaaay!

That can never happen at Fox Noise.