I agree with HughMoran.

[mahina]

When Glenn Beck warbled that he "loves his country and he fears for it", like the rest of us, I thought he sounded unstable. But I have to agree with him. I fear for my country too.

We've been getting screwed by the HMOs for most of my adult lifetime, and somehow the propaganda machine and the lobbying machine have persuaded the American people that we like it like this. It's like the Stockholm syndrome gone mass media.

We finally have a real leader who is offering the first tiny incremental step away from a clearly crazy place, and good people all over this country are repeating Fox 'news' lies. Smart, good people. Everybody 'knows' that we can't have gubmint running health care. We don't want to lose what we have. My friends at the gym, neighbors, family, friends who voted for Obama, are generally progressive, are doing the familiar two step that accompanies most of the most appalling propagandists' work. Just like 'we support our troops' somehow came to mean we agree to let our sons and brothers go to war for no good reason, all of a sudden, we are arguing against our own best interests.

What disturbs me most is the mental fog that seems to cloud the discussion. The propagandists seem to have really won when middle and lower income people who don't own stock in the medical insurance industry can't see that profit alone is not the best motivation for a health care system.

I'm a capitalist. The profit motive is just fine with me. But I don't want major decisions about my life and health, nor do I want the lives and health of the people I care about, made based on what earns someone the most money! How hard is that to grasp? Corporations are obligated to produce the most profit possible. That is their sole responsibility. Liability, exposure to lawsuits, exposure to bad press, and other costs are important only in relationship to profit.
That's fine for goods, but manifestly not fine for our health!

What is it going to take to wake us up from this stupor?

[BOSSHOG]

1. Did he urge his lemmings to murder liberals today?

[mahina]

2. Couldn't say. I don't watch TV in the morning.

When I turn it on at night it's to watch McNeil Lehrer news hour, if I get home early enough. I only watched that clip on the computer.

He may have for all I know. He's usually not that far from suggesting it.

[HughMoran]

3. Honestly, there are lots of liberals who have the same misgivings - why pick Beck? Attention seeking

I see this thread as no different than stating that you agree with Hitler on a particular issue knowing that it will stir up a hornets nest worth of shit. Why do this? Can't you make an argument without invoking a hate-filled aass hole?

[mahina]

4. If you can suggest a recent statement with that point that many people are familiar with,

I'm open to using that instead. I posted this because it suddenly struck me that for once I agree with the man about one single point.

In my own life, I'm interested in actually creating change. A big part of that is learning how to bring people together. We tend to only talk to those who already agree, and that does not help as much as it would help to bring new ideas to people who wouldn't otherwise hear them. I am genuinely alarmed at the degree of buy in out there for the propagandists' agenda, so I wrote a few lines here about it. Startling to be attacked for doing so.

The answer to your question is yes, I can. Though I spend less time here than I did before the election, I do check in every now and again. You can look it up!

You seem kind of crabby. Have a beautiful day.

[HughMoran]

5. You quote Beck and I'm crabby?

I think it's acceptible to point out that there are thousands of examples of liberals/progressives being cynical with the direction of this country. If you need me to find an example of a non-right-winger making similar statements, then I am speechless.

[mahina]

7. I guess you're right.

Maybe I can't.

[mahina]

6. Time's a wasting...

I only have a little time to sit here, so I'd love to see your suggestions.

Wait, I have one...

[redqueen]

8. Hahahahaha

:)

[mahina]

9. aloha

:)