An arrest made in the death of All Pro QB Steve McNair... Gun control anyone?

[aaaaaa5a]

An arrest has been made in the death of All Pro Quarterback Steve McNair. If you recall McNair was an NFL quarterback who was killed a few weeks ago when his mistress shot him several times before taking her own life in a fatal attraction, murder-suicide.


Here is the story below.


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The guy who allegedly sold the gun that killed Steve McNair -- a man named Adrian J. Gilliam Jr. -- has been arrested by ATF agents in Nashville, Tenn.

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McNair's mistress, Sahel Kazemi, bought the gun on July 2 -- two days before she murdered Steve and then killed herself.

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Gilliam has been charged with illegally possessing a firearm. A big no-no for the convicted felon.

Gilliam was convicted of murder and attempted armed robbery in 1993.


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Full story here

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/17/arrest-in-mcnair-murder-case/

[ingac70]

1. If a felon wants a gun....

he'll get one, regardless of what the law says.

[slackmaster]

2. We have gun control that should have prevented the murderer from buying THAT gun at that time

It didn't work because a convicted felon broke multiple laws.

[aaaaaa5a]

4. You guys offer great points. Is this proof gun laws are overrated? NT

[FarCenter]

12. Controling ammunition would be more useful

There are 10s of millions of various types of guns in the community already. Guns also last a very long time.

Ammunition also lasts a long time, but the inventory is consumed gradually.

Controlling the manufacture and sale of centerfire pistol ammunition, e.g. 9 mm, .38, .45 ACP, would be a much more practical measure.

[Pavulon]

18. I can make that in my garage

pretty easy and legal. I mean look how well the weed and coke control is working. I mean it would take at least 3 phone calls before I could find someone to drop dope at my house for cash.

Good luck with that.

[FarCenter]

34. True, although laws can be passed by a majority, they are unenforceable unless all agree with them

Or unless you institute a totalitarian police state.

I'd say that upwards of 98% of people have to agree with a law before it is enforceable.

In which case gun control is a complete non-starter.

[RamboLiberal]

21. F' That - in case you haven't noticed there is an ammo shortage already

Only started easing last few weeks. There are those of us out here who enjoy target shooting. Why the hell should I be limited it what I can purchase because of criminals who probably don't need that many in the first place?

Inventory consumed gradually - says who? I go through 150 rounds or so a match and try to attend 5-6 matches a month from April - October.

[gmoney]

30. "Shortage" just caused by paranoids hoarding ammo...

...wonder how many wingnuts are now on "big gummint" welfare and foodstamps because they spent all their money stockpiling ammo for some gun grab that's only going to happen in their heads.

[Raskolnik]

25. Your definitions of "practical" is not the same as mine.

All you would accomplish would be creating an enormous black market for something that people can make in their basements. How's that working for drug control?

[FarCenter]

35. Well, you could outlaw the manufacture of percussion caps

You probably make ammunition from manufactured components. At least most handloaders do that.

If you are drawinging your own brass, making your own caps, and manufacturing powder in you basement, I'm glad I'm not living next door.

[Sebastian Doyle]

3. I'll bet he bought it at a gun show

Most felons and psychopaths do that, since they can't pass a background check from a legal gun dealer.

[imdjh]

6. Individual sale

Detectives traced the gun, a 9 mm Bryco/Jennings, to its 2002 sale at a pawn shop, according to the complaint. Gilliam eventually bought it from an individual for $100 about a year or year and a half ago. Investigators said Gilliam told them he bought the gun for protection after his home was burglarized, and police reports indicate he did report a burglary about the time of the gun purchase.

According to court documents, Gilliam admitted to detectives he sold the gun to Kazemi for $100.

[TheMightyFavog]

13. Bryco/Jennings?

Wasn't that brand notoroious for manufacturing cheap, shitty Saturday Night Specails?

[imdjh]

15. No idea. I thought Saturday Night Specials were made by Baretta or something like that. nt

[TheMightyFavog]

20. Berettas don't come cheap

They do make small handguns, but they're quality pieces, and are much more expensive than your average cheap, low-quality Saturday Night Specail.

[Pavulon]

9. Really, is there any numerical fact to that MOST

or just intuition..

[Raskolnik]

24. Really? "Most felons and psychopaths" do that?

I assume you have some sort of data to support that claim.

[Statistical]

26. Actually according to the DOJ almost no felons buy from gunshows. n/t

[quiller4]

36. Actually it is much easier to buy from a private party through

a classified ad that it is at a gun show.

[imdjh]

5. Convicted of murder in 1993 and walking around loose in 2009.

[slackmaster]

7. I have to wonder out loud what the FUCK that guy was doing outside of prison

:shrug:

[Sebastian Doyle]

11. They probably had to parole him to free up a prison cell for some non violent pot dealer

I'm being facetious here, but it really wouldn't surprise me. :evilfrown:

[quiller4]

37. he served more than 15 years of a 20 year sentence n/t

[slackmaster]

39. Obviously that wasn't enough

:nuke:

[The Straight Story]

8. My friends control their guns pretty well

But some folks would punish them for what others do...they may be gun nuts but other people are nanny state nuts.

[aaaaaa5a]

10. She bought the gun for just 100$

AP-NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Federal agents have arrested a convicted murderer for allegedly providing the gun later used to kill ex-NFL quarterback Steve McNair.

Adrian J. Gilliam Jr., 33, of LaVergne, Tenn., was arrested by agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives.

A criminal complaint unsealed Friday in Nashville says that Gilliam — who was convicted of murder and attempted armed robbery in 1993 in Florida — admitted he sold the gun to the woman who later shot McNair.

McNair was shot to death on July 4 at his condo by his 20-year-old mistress, Sahel Kazemi, who then turned the gun on herself.

The complaint, signed by ATF agent Mickey French, charges Gilliam with illegally possessing a firearm, which he is barred from doing as a felon.

Detectives traced the gun, a 9 mm Bryco/Jennings, to its 2002 sale at a pawn shop, according to the complaint. Gilliam eventually bought it from an individual for $100 about a year or year and a half ago. Investigators said Gilliam told them he bought the gun for protection after his home was burglarized, and police reports indicate he did report a burglary about the time of the gun purchase.

According to court documents, Gilliam admitted to detectives he sold the gun to Kazemi for $100.

Federal prosecutors in Nashville planned to announce the case at a press conference later Friday.

Police announced in a news conference last week that Kazemi purchased "a fully loaded nine millimeter pistol from a private individual" who met her in the parking lot of the mall where she worked at a Dave & Busters restaurant.

Kazemi met the person when she was trying to sell her car. She mentioned to him that she was looking to buy a gun and he told her he had one for sale, police said. The sale took place two days before McNair's shooting, outside the restaurant where Kazemi worked and first met McNair.

Authorities believe McNair was asleep when Kazemi put the pistol to his head and pulled the trigger. She put two more slugs into his chest and a fourth bullet into the other side of his head before shooting herself.

McNair, a married father of four, walked away from the NFL last year. "Air McNair" was known as a gutsy quarterback who played through serious injuries and led his Tennessee Titans to a Super Bowl.

Though the gun sale in question did not involve a licensed gun dealer, the ATF recently warned all gun dealers in Tennessee that they must still comply with federal gun laws despite a new state law aimed at easing such requirements for weapons manufactured and sold in-state



Link:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gYXv9AkIjlKSyYKl1wKHcELnlpdAD99GBTKO0

[imdjh]

16. That's what he had paid for it, so he's a nonprofit. nt

[LAGC]

19. What a bone-headed felon.

I mean, even though one is prohibited from owning or possessing guns, I can see how one might still want to get one for self-protection in case the need arises.

But to actually turn around and SELL that gun to a pawn shop in a traceable way that could surely come back to haunt you is utterly stupid. He should have just disposed of it if he didn't feel the need to have it anymore.

Moron.

[Statistical]

27. +1 He had to know the gun was illegal and would be traced back to him. n/t

[aikoaiko]

14. Unless the girlfriend was a prohibited buyer, more laws wouldn't have prevented the crime

But I suppose it depends on the law you had in mind.

[imdjh]

17. Not to mention that made women have been known to strike without guns.

Lisa Lopez, that woman that cut her husband's penis off, Farah Fawcett..

[Fla_Democrat]

38. Lorena Bobbit

I still have nightmares.

[Buzz Clik]

22. Your title is amazingly misleading.

Why would you choose to be so intentionally inflaming?

[aaaaaa5a]

29. I don't think its flaming.....

There have been plenty of debates about gun laws on this board. My question implies, did gun laws work here? And if not, is the answer stricter gun laws? Or should we reach the conclusion that criminals will always find a way to get guns and that gun laws only restrict the rights of those obeying the law?




Despite my progressive viewpoints on most issues, I most often oppose gun restrictions. To my surprise most of the responders so far agree. Many of the posts here could be slogans for the NRA.

[proteus_lives]

23. We already have gun control laws.

The problem is criminals will do as they please.

[MicaelS]

28. Gun control? Sure...

Given that drug laws have worked so well, right? After all Prohibition of alcohol worked wonders didn't it?

[Hepburn]

31. IMO....

...the law on convicted felons in possession of a firearm needs to be changed: I totally agree if the felony conviction was due to a VIOLENT CRIME. However, if it was a totally non-violent felony ~~ what the hell connection does gun ownership have with the crime? For example, an embezzlement of greater than $400 in Calif is chargeable as a felony. I cannot see the nexus with a prohibition on gun ownership.

[rd_kent]

32. So, how would gun control have changed this situation?

A convicted felon obtained a gun illegally. Exactly how would gun control have prevented this? Please explain.

[aaaaaa5a]

33. That's the point. I don't think it would have.

That's why I generally don't support strict gun control laws.

[Paladin]

40. Do You Support Strict Laws Against Rape?

After all, strict anti-rape laws aren't preventing all incidents of rape in this country, so such laws must be pointless as far as you're concerned, right?

And you gun obsessives think you're the logical ones on this issue......

[aaaaaa5a]

41. That analogy is off

Nobody ever has the right to rape. Nobody can be a law abiding citizen and not cause harm to someone while committing rape. That's why all rape or attempted rape etc. should be outlawed.



However it is possible for someone to have a rigt to a gun. It is possible to be a law abiding citizen and not cause harm to anyone while owning a gun. That's why gun laws often times disproportionately affect people who obey the law.


See the difference.