Why I think melamine is a danger

[undergroundpanther]

To pets.Why I blame renderer's ,vets who dispose of euthanized pets in plastic bags..and the plastic industry..
for this poison pets ingest .. and I think the melamide is part of the toxic stew that kills their kidneys..


"Even plastic winds up going into the pit. Unsold supermarket meats, chicken and fish arrive in styrofoam trays and shrink wrap. No one has time for the tedious chore of unwrapping thousands of rejected meat-packs. More plastic is added to the pits with the arrival of cattle ID tags, plastic insecticide patches and the green plastic bags containing pets from veterinarians.
Skyrocketing labor costs are one of the economic factors forcing the corporate flesh-peddlers to cheat. It is far too costly for plant personnel to cut off flea collars or unwrap spoiled T-bone steaks. Every week, millions of packages of plastic-wrapped meat go through the rendering process and become one of the unwanted ingredients in animal feed.
http://www.preciouspets.org/rendering.htm

Fancy that mixing carbolic acid with melamide..It Generates water soluble toxic products.And creosote creates heat when mixed with melamide potentially liberating more of the toxins into the slurry.Wonderful.
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A greater sensitivity of cats to a chemical found in plastics and pesticides could explain why they’ve died in larger numbers than have dogs after eating contaminated pet food, experts said Saturday.

The small number of confirmed reports of pet deaths bolstered by a far larger number of unconfirmed anecdotal reports suggests cats were more susceptible to poisoning by the chemical *melamine* (as incyanuramide) that tainted the now recalled pet food, officials with the Food and Drug Administration and American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals said Saturday.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17870750/

Remember.. melamine is also called cyanuramide and it is used to make PLASTICS it is a resin,and guess what renderer's fail to take out of their dead animal stew as they cook it? The PLASTIC.
What happens to plastic if it is BOILED? Sublime in it's insidiousness isn't it

More about Melamide..
Melamide Sublimes when gently heated. (NTP, 1992)
sublime - means to vaporize and then condense right back again


SYMPTOMS: Symptoms of exposure to this compound may include irritation of the skin, eyes and mucous membranes. It may also cause irritation of the upper respiratory tract. Other symptoms may include urinary bladder stones, diuresis and crystalluria. Dermatitis has been reported. Kidney injury may occur.

ACUTE/CHRONIC HAZARDS: This compound is toxic by ingestion. It may be harmful by inhalation or skin absorption. It is an irritant of the skin, eyes, mucous membranes and upper respiratory tract. When heated to decomposition it emits toxic fumes of carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide and nitrogen oxides. It also emits highly toxic fumes of cyanides. (NTP, 1992)
http://cameochemicals.noaa.gov/chemical/20588

At the rendering plant a machine slowly grinds the entire mess(of carcass creosote BHT plastic,) in huge vats. Then this product is cooked at temperatures between 220 degrees Fahrenheit and 270 degrees Fahrenheit for 20 minutes to one hour.(including the plastics and chemicals,pesticides etc.

Diseased, disabled, dying or dead livestock, known as 4-D livestock, commonly find its way into commercial dog food as a cheap source of protein. The US government requires 4-D meat be “denatured” with harmful chemicals before leaving slaughterhouses to prevent the meat from being marketed. These diseased, chemically treated carcasses are sold to rendering plants.
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"In my time as a veterinary meat inspector, we denatured with carbolic acid (phenol, a potentially corrosive disinfectant) and/or creosote (used to preserve wood or as a disinfectant). Phenol is derived from the distillation of coal tar, creosote from the distillation of wood. Both substances are very toxic. Creosote was used for many years as a preservative for wood power poles. Its effect on the environment proved to be so negative that it is no longer used for that purpose. According to federal meat inspection regulations, fuel oil, kerosene, crude carbolic acid, and citronella (an insect repellent made from lemon grass) are the approved denaturing materials."
ttp://www.bullmarketfrogs.com/articles/dogfood/index.htm

How do these chemicals react when heated with melamide? Anyone know if it is a toxin?


The noun melamine has one meaning:
a white crystalline organic base; used mainly in making melamine resins Synonym: cyanuramide
melamine (mĕl'əmēn') , common name for 2,4,6-triamino-1,3,5-triazine.

Melamine is a trimer (see polymer) of cyanamide, H2NCN, and is synthesized from calcium carbide. It condenses with formaldehyde to give a thermosetting resin. Melamine resins have many uses, including the manufacture of plastic dishes under the trade name Melmac.
http://www.answers.com/topic/melamine

A list Other Names for Melamide
02284 (CA DPR Chem Code) , 1,3,5-Triazine-2,4,6-triamine , 108-78-1 (CAS Number) , 108781 (CAS Number) , 2,4,6-triamino-1,3,5-triazine , 2,4,6-triamino-s-triazine , 2284 (CA DPR Chem Code) , 777201 (US EPA PC Code) , **Cyanuramide** , Cymel , **Cyromazine** breakdown product , Melamine , S-triaminotriazine , Tiaminotriazine

http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Chemical.jsp?Rec_Id=PC35459

And was does a hazmat search on the names of melamine reveal?

CYANURAMIDE ?? it is melamide .What happens as it sublimes into the rendering stew? Could the process of"cooking carcasses" release the melamide/cyanurmide make a kidney toxin.. Maybe. Don't dismiss it.Especially when mixed with crap like BHT.

http://www.scorecard.org/chemical-profiles/summary.tcl?edf_substance_id=108%2d78%2d1

[TygrBright]

1. Not to mention some of the ugliest dinnerware ever produced... n/t

[Southsideirish]

2. Is mesalmine (used in drugs/meds) related to melamine?

[undergroundpanther]

3. Good question

Go to a chemical database online or a drug database maybe open both up in two windows and cross reference..and do a query of related names of both chemical and drug ..it might turn up.Who knows.
Drug names have endings that discribe thier properties. like valium real name is Valium (diazepam) is a benzodiazepine derivative.All drugs of that particular muscle relaxant tranquilizing and anti anxiety class end with azepam All diazepam derivatives, anxiolytics, sedatives; This is the way to identify the class of related chemicals the compund you are looking for belong too.Look for those "stems" I myself am going to have to sleep I caught my moms cold and I got to do the tending to my surgery site before I crash. I am beginning to feel like crap.So as interesting as your question is I can't look it up now.

[aquart]

4. Renderers? What do they manufacture?

[rumpel]

6. here is a quote

from the same article undergroundpanther links to

The condemned livestock carcasses treated with these toxic chemicals can then become meat and bone meal for the pet food industry. Worse yet, since rendering facilities are not government-controlled, any animal carcasses can be rendered, including those of cats and dogs. Eckhouse quotes Eileen Layne of the California Veterinary Medical Association: "When you read pet-food labels and it says meat or bone meal, that's what it is -- cooked and converted animals, including some dogs and cats."

Some of these dead pets -- those who were euthanized by veterinarians -- already have sodium pentobarbital in their bodies before being treated with the denaturing substances. In veterinary offices most cats and dogs are put to sleep with this chemical. According to Eckhouse, veterinarians at the University of Minnesota warned that the sodium pentobarbital used to put pets to sleep "survived rendering without undergoing degradation," but they concluded that the residue amount would be too small to cause problems if the carcasses of euthanized pets were mixed with other raw materials during a day's production run. No mention was made of the cumulative effects on a cat or dog from ingesting this small amount daily for years. Thus far we have come across the denaturing chemicals and the sodium pentobarbital, and I have only just begun.

In the finished rendered product, a fat stabilizer is introduced to prevent rancidity. The common chemicals used are BHA (butylated hydroxyanisole) and BHT (butylated hydroxytolulene), both known to cause liver and kidney dysfunction. Some European countries prohibit the use and importation of these preservatives. Another fat stabilizer often used is Ethoxyquin, suspected of being a cancer-causing agent. Propylene glycol, first cousin to ethylene glycol (antifreeze), is found in many semimoist dog foods. It causes the destruction of red blood cells.

http://www.belfield.com/article3.html

[aquart]

8. Holy shit.

[magellan]

5. If even part of this is accurate

...then it's an excellent reason to demand the pet food industry finally be REGULATED. Goddammit, what the hell are we that we're content feeding our beloved pets toxic crap like this?? And if they'll do this to pets to save money, what are they willing to do with so-called human grade food?

Thank you for your research into this, undergroundpanther. I've been wondering for days why melamide -- supposedly a slow release fertilizer used in Asia that was tested here on dogs half a century ago and showed no toxicity -- would be causing these deaths. You may just have figured it out.

I'm thoroughly sickened by the whole thing.

[bbgrunt]

7. very interestng. thanks for your research.

[Dirty Hippie]

9. Folks - Quit feeding your pets foods with byproducts of any kind

rendered or not.

There are plenty of human food grade pet foods on the market.

I switched my dogs to Natural Balance over a year ago and the difference in their skin and coat is remarkable.

Do your research. By products of any kind are not acceptable as pet nutrition. And, even "premium" brands like Science Diet and Eukanuba use them.

And they are not that much more expensive. I probably spend an additional 30-40 per month (I have 5 dogs). About the price of a dinner at a restaurant.

[kestrel91316]

10. I am completely unable to follow this line of thinking.

Time for a stiff drink.

[mhatrw]

11. But it came from Chinese wheat gluten!

:sarcasm:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. And let's not forget dihydrogen monoxide.

It's responsible for thousands of deaths every year, and it was food in the Chinese wheat gluten.