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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:11 PM
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'The oil is going, the oil is going!'
Here's an excellent introduction to peak oil. Pass it around to your friends and relations.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/03/22/peakoil/

The oil is going, the oil is going!

Today's Paul Reveres of "peak oil" aren't waiting for Washington to save us from apocalypse. They're already planting gardens and drafting city plans for the days when oil is gone.

By Katharine Mieszkowski

March 22, 2006 | SAN FRANCISCO, Calif. -- Matt Savinar, 27, once aspired to own a Hummer. He studied poli sci at the University of California, Davis, before going on to get his law degree at U.C. Hastings in San Francisco. He was into bodybuilding. Today, Savinar doesn't own any car, much less a Hummer, and he doesn't practice law, although he's licensed to do so. Frankly, he doesn't think that driving or the legal profession, with the exception of maybe bankruptcy law, have much of a future. Instead of buying a car, Savinar walks, takes the bus and catches rides with friends, but not because he's trying to save the world, he assures me.

Savinar doesn't drive because he's saving the money he'd spend on a used car to buy land; he's not sure exactly where yet, but somewhere with a supply of fresh water, arable soil, low population density and that's far from military bases. He's starting to get back into bodybuilding again, too, all the better to be healthy and in shape to till the earth and grow food, when the time comes. "I happen to think that we're going straight to hell, and I'm trying to figure out how to be in the least hot place of hell," he told me recently on an incongruously balmy 72 degree February afternoon in sunny Santa Rosa, Calif., at a restaurant just a few blocks from the apartment where he lives.

For a young, quick-witted, able-bodied man with an advanced degree, living in the most prosperous country in the world, Savinar has a pretty dim view of his -- and all the rest of our -- prospects. He believes that many if not most of the trappings of modern American life are endangered species and he's trying to figure out how not to become one of them. So Savinar has become a full-time prophet of "peak oil," spreading the word about how the world's oil production will soon peak and global demand will outstrip supply.


When that happens, he imagines that all the ways Americans now depend on oil will become rudely apparent, as the price of everything from filling up at the pump to fruits and vegetables in the supermarket shoots up. Cities and towns will start to struggle to provide basic services like police, firefighting, school buses, water and road repair. Office workers will lose jobs because they can't afford to commute to work from their suburban homes. Even if they could get to the office, there'll be fewer white-collar jobs, as businesses flounder under the strain of a flailing global economy. Yet suburbanites will be grateful for those big backyards to support vegetable gardens, if they can just keep their hungry neighbors from sneaking in at night and stealing their harvest. All that is before we even consider the possibility of an oil war with the likes of China, where, incidentally, so many of those cheap goods that we've come to depend on are manufactured.
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:21 PM
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1. i see i am ahead of the game then
Edited on Sat Apr-07-07 01:21 PM by wildhorses
somewhere with a supply of fresh water, arable soil, low population density and that's far from military bases.

fresh water...check,

arable soil...check

and

low pop. density...check

far from military base...check;)


working and out and studying medicine and first aid...check

storing up seeds...check

laying in for hens, goats, pigs, cows and horses...ubeccha


agarian way of life is the wave of the future
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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:44 PM
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2. Crap! I am so jealous!
You're way ahead of me.

One thing though, if global warming continues the way it is, some water sources may dry up. I thought I was going to be okay because there's a nice sized creek a couple blocks away. But it could very well dry up, especially if people upstream are using it too.

I'd hate to think of myself getting stuck where I am though (1/3 acre suburban lot on the edge of town ... and near a military base).
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 03:18 PM
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5. ok...i am really gonna make you jealous
i have a creek that runs along the edge of my property and i own both sides of it. i also have underground springs. my creek has never dried up and i have been here since '92. also i am at the foot of a mountain with only one other person between me and the top 200 acres which is owned by the county and is a park; therefore, i never have to worry about development:bounce:

shhh...don't tell anyone you heard it here but, RUN FOR THE HILLS!!! and good luck:hug:
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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 03:29 PM
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6. Well, sounds like you're all set, except....
What are you going to do about the marauding hordes of starving ne'er-do-wells that will come to steal your bounty and booty?

You need an extra hand to man the barricades, milk the chickens and the like?

:)

Gotta go. Have a good day.
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 03:41 PM
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8. would you be wanting to apply for the position?
and i would be one of the dems that owns a gun;)

:hide:

































:yoiks:
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 06:08 PM
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10. You mean like Dennis Hopper in Waterworld? Or this?
Edited on Sat Apr-07-07 06:13 PM by Leopolds Ghost
Protecting your "go-juice" from marauders

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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 03:33 PM
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7. Need any roomates?
I have a dog we could use for hunting.
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 03:46 PM
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9. well, i like your numbers that is for sure
:blush:
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:56 PM
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3. almost there
supply of fresh water: check- near big lake, lots of springs in area

arable soil- sort of, putting in raised beds, but it is agricultural county since the 1850s

low population density- check: county population=~65,000, closest freeway is 45 min. from here

far from military bases- really far, unless one counts the LORAN station

within walking distance of small grocery store, post office, etc.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 02:12 PM
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4. 1/4 acre lot, walkable suburban town, near mass transit.
No car (I use bike and rail)

It would be nice to see real rail systems in cities like Houston, instead of toy systems. It would be certainly possible to have rapid transit on Westheimer Boulevard there. Dallas is... trying. If they can do it, anyone can.
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