Let's settle this. Who Killed JFK?

[struggle4progress]

[otherlander]

1. In fact, it was you and me.

[MnFats]

5. Please, introduce yourself. you're a man of wealth and taste, no?

couldn't help it...sorry

[otherlander]

7. Pleased to meet you.

[nam78_two]

19. Hope you get my name.nt

[Laurier]

37. But what's puzzling you

is the nature of my game.

[tjwash]

68. Col. Mustard, in the conservatory, with a wrench.

nt

[diane in sf]

2. probably not Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone.

[Dogmudgeon]

12. You mean Oswald was in an Improv troupe?

Yes, and ...

--p!

[lksmith]

93. Once you accept that possibility, almost anything is possible -

such as Oswald being a patsy (as he said he was), and not having fired a shot. Which would not necessarily imply that he was not involved with the people who did plan and execute the assassination.

[Suich]

3. Sorry, but I can't joke about it.

It wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald and the Warren Commission was a farce.

[IChing]

6. May Gerald Ford rot in Hell

in his pardon of Nixon
in his hiring of Cheney and Rusfield
in the genocide in South east Asia, not Vietnam.

May they find a Betty Ford Clinic for their souls.

[Colobo]

101. I prefer Ford to LBJ

In fact, he was a better human being, in my view.

[bananarepublican]

83. Oswald was a marine, he worked at a top secret U2 base at Atsugi (Japan)...

... he was sent to a special language training facility to learn Russian before being 'dishonorably discharged'. He then 'decided' to defect to Russia. The reality was that he was sent to Russia by US intelligence (either ONI or the CIA). Upon his return from the USSR, he also became an FBI informant.

Oswald was anything but a lone nut gunman. I'm sure he would have considered himself a patriot. He could have thought he had penetrated the assassination ring and was in a position to help thwart an attempt on Kennedy. What exactly was in the note destroyed by FBI Agent James Hosty?

Shortly before his death he stated, "I'm just a patsy". This shows that in the end, he knew the people who were running him had completely and utterly betrayed him. These same people betrayed America. The world is still suffering from the consequences of JFK's murder.

[Suich]

89. I just googled Hosty...I'd never heard the name before. Wow!

I agree with you on Oswald. Then Jack Ruby conveniently came into the picture. The whole thing stinks. You're right about "the world...still suffering from the consequences of JFK's murder."

:grr:

[dflprincess]

106. The biggest hole in the story about Oswald's "defection" to the USSR

is how easily he (with his Russian born wife) got back into the U.S. when he became "disillusioned" with the Soviets.

I remember his mother claiming he was a government agency and the media writing her off as more or less being deranged by grief and not able to accept the truth about her son.

[TomInTib]

4. George Brown, Walter Fondren, George ("Uncle") Dewey Malloy...

Ask them.

Problem is, they are all dead.

They could tell you.

[Suich]

14. I couldn't find them on google.

Are they some of the "suicides" connected with Dallas?

[TomInTib]

35. No...

George Brown was one of the founders of Brown&Root (now kbr).

Walter Fondren was one of the founders of what is now EXXON/MOBILE (Humble).

And "Tio" ran their asses.

And they owned LBJ.

[Swamp Rat]

8. 'Illegal aliens' and 'GHW pals' are one and the same.

[IChing]

18. Vice President of the US and I don't mean Cheney.

A fascist is one whose lust for money or power is combined with such an intensity
of intolerance toward those of other races, parties, classes, religions, cultures, regions
or nations as to make him ruthless in his use of deceit or violence to attain his ends.
Henry A. Wallace

American fascism will not be really dangerous until there is a purposeful coalition among the cartelists, the deliberate poisoners of public information, and those who stand for the K.K.K. type of demagoguery.
Henry A. Wallace

It has been claimed at times that our modern age of technology facilitates dictatorship.
Henry A. Wallace

It may be encountered in Wall Street, Main Street or Tobacco Road. Some even suspect that they can detect incipient traces of it along the Potomac.
Henry A. Wallace

Monopolists who fear competition and who distrust democracy because it stands for equal opportunity would like to secure their position against small and energetic enterprise.
Henry A. Wallace

Most American fascists are enthusiastically supporting the war effort. They are doing this even in those cases where they hope to have profitable connections with German chemical firms after the war ends.
Henry A. Wallace

Our chemical and other manufacturing concerns are all too often ready to let the Germans have Latin American markets, provided the American companies can work out an arrangement which will enable them to charge high prices to the consumer inside the United States.
Henry A. Wallace

Still another danger is represented by those who, paying lip service to democracy and the common welfare, in their insatiable greed for money and the power which money gives, do not hesitate surreptitiously to evade the laws designed to safeguard the public from monopolistic extortion.
Henry A. Wallace

The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information.
Henry A. Wallace

The American fascists are most easily recognized by their deliberate perversion of truth and fact. Their newspapers and propaganda carefully cultivate every fissure of disunity, every crack in the common front against fascism.
Henry A. Wallace

[Swamp Rat]

20. "a purposeful coalition among the cartelists", "poison the channels of public information",

"fascists are most easily recognized by their deliberate perversion of truth and fact" ...

[IChing]

24. Yes this battle has been going on in the states since it's birth

the conspiracy of assassination to democracy
has always been real throughout history.

Bush family Nazi supporters.

Oh, freepers looking in, you didn't know that?
On this passover that destroys your foundations of falsehood?

We see you for what you are.

[gordianot]

52. Correct Military lndustrial Complex

You list some participants. Conkrite once dismissed this as conspiracy because if it were conspiracy someone would talk. Over the years many have talked. The media does not listen and it is easy to dismiss the unthinkable. That is how the current generation works they rely on public incredulity that such heinous acts are even possible.

[struggle4progress]

60. Nice collection of Wallace quotes. Thanks!

[Octafish]

45. BOOM!

[stirlingsliver]

71. KA-BOOM!

Isn't it "KaBoom"??

[Octafish]

75. The assassination of President Kennedy is NOT Ancient History.

You're absolutely correct, stirlingsliver! My bad.

Regarding the assassination of President Kennedy:

The assassination of President Kennedy is NOT Ancient History.



Its reverberations and affects are felt today.

It’s why our nation has been making war almost constantly since that horrible day.

It’s why the Cold War and nuclear proliferation almost busted the bank, emptying the Treasury for social programs like Good Jobs, Public Health, Public Education and Public Welfare.

It’s why the Bushes are allowed into the Oval Office and Albert Gore and John F. Kerry are not.

It’s why the Wars on Iraq & Terror will use up whatever money we have.

It’s why the Bushes and their cronies hide their Secret History.

Like their connections to CIA
Like their connections to Big Oil Middle East Petrodollars
Like their connections to Wall Street
Like their connections to the MI-Complex
Like their connections to the Mafia
Like their connections to Mao
Like their connections to NAZIs
Like their connections to Hitler
Like their connections to Stalin
Like their connections to the War Party.


The Bush Crime Family's ability to keep their life stories secret, their ability to use information gained on others, and their control of the nation's military power has made them more than mere public stooges for the Secret Government: They are a global empire of evil.

The nation has not been the same since that awful day in 1963.

November 21, 1963 was a better place and a better time: One where everyone was valued and everything was possible, from walking on the moon to peace in our day.

So, that’s why I give a damn.

That’s why I think we all should care.

And that’s why I won’t let go.

------------

If I may add, a belated and hearty welcome to DU, stirlingsliver! Any relation to Stirling of Old DU?

[Melynn]

80. It was a better time

November 22, 1963 really was the day that changed everthing. Those of us old enough to remember are aware of that.

[PhilipShore]

82. The Bush family had nothing to do with it, but like vultures circling the dead...

-- they used his death -- for their political agenda.


Vultures

[gordianot]

98. You need to do a little research. These people make things happen.

There are many in that family that would be in prison if they were anyone else. Poppy has many odd connections before and after the fact. Very aggressive for a vulture. A long history of high crime in that family, well documented and often very public. They depend on public incredulity and dismissal of conspiracy.

[Liberal In Texas]

9. The CIA. Our government.

You don't have a choice for that, but you should.

[Up2Late]

25. That's the "GHW Bush's pals" choice

GHW Bush was in the CIA at the time and is refereed to as "the Texas business man" in some of the documents, I believe.

[Liberal In Texas]

27. Lyndon Johnson, a democrat, was complicit.

Sadly, he stood the most to gain, and I belive turned a blind eye.

As did Connally, who was wounded by the "magic" bullet.

But the CIA (at the time) and the Mafia hated the Kennedys.

Read Thom Hartman's book.

[Up2Late]

59. Lyndon Johnson was a Texas Democrat who in many ways, acted like a...

...Republican. So, I'm still not convinced he would be a Democrat today, but we'll never know, because he died a long time ago.

[struggle4progress]

64. Johnson was a brilliant politician who managed to get himself elected ...

... from a state that got a super-sized serving of rightwing nuts and corrupt thugs. It's not fair to judge him out of context. His political devotion and skill outshone his not inconsiderable boorishness and insensivity, and he really got quite a lot accomplished -- until he miscalculated the political costs associated with his effort to avoid rightwing red-baiting by escalating the Vietnam war

[Up2Late]

73. "...not fair to judge him out of context..."??? What context is that?

As you said, he was a "politician" who displayed his "...not inconsiderable boorishness and insensivity..." (sic) often, so as long as this is still The United States of America, and as long a I still have my Constitutional Right of Free Speech, it IS FAIR to judge him and or any other politician in any context I feel like, thank you very much.

[struggle4progress]

76. If you ignore the era, its issues, and its personalities, you can't understand LBJ

It's true that many of the Texas Democrats in Johnson's time were rightwingers, and with Nixon's southern strategy many fled into the Republican party, because (being racists) they were irate about the Democratic Party stand on integration.

Johnson was not one of those racist wackos. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 is, in a real sense, one of Johnson's achievements. Congress had repeatedly defeated efforts to pass such legislation in the 1950s, and the conservatives tirelessly labeled civil rights proponents communists. Johnson, fresh from Senate, was able to push the bill through. His commitment to civil rights and civil liberties was real -- and it was exhibited, for example, in his appointment of Thurgood Marshall to SCOTUS.

I don't see any reason to hold your view that Johnson would belong to the Republican Party today. Although the current Republican Party is far to the right of Goldwater, Goldwater was in many ways a rightwing extremist, and Johnson clearly distinguished himself from Goldwater.

[bananarepublican]

84. Wasn't he also a ballot box stuffer? n/t

[struggle4progress]

100. Possibly in the 1948 election with its 80 or 90 vote margin? A number of people ...

... (including LBJ) believed Pappy O'Daniel had stolen the previous Senate race from Johnson. It's certainly possible he figured gaming ballot box 13 was justified.

[meldroc]

74. LBJ was a proto-neo-con. Sort of like a 60's Lieberman.

So my vote would for Bush 41 & his pals, the CIA, and complicit folks like LBJ.

[Retired AF Dem]

66. Of course the Mafia hated JFK

The Mafia helped him get elected than JFK and Robert turned on them.

[struggle4progress]

26. I did a similar poll about a year ago: IIRC, I had choices for

CIA, GHWB, Texas oilmen, and rightwing Dallasites, which many people told me should be the same choice

[Va Lefty]

10. Sure as hell wasn't Oswald

We'll probably never know for certain, but they ought to take all those history books that claim Oswald was the lone gunman and put them in the fiction section of the library

[greyl]

11. That does it. The Dem candidate who declares critical thinking education to be their top priority

gets my vote.
;)

[SeattleGirl]

13. I'm watching Conspiracy Files on Discovery Times right now.

Talking about the mob's involvement. Thom Hartmann is on the program. He and another guy (forget his name) have just written a book called "Ultimate Sacrifice" about this. Very interesting.

They talk about cutting off the head of the dog (the President) to get the tail to stop wagging (RFK's targeting of the mob).

They also talk about the CIA and the plan to get rid of Castro.

There were apparently plans to assissinate Kennedy first in Chicago, then in Tampa, which were called off. One secret service member from the time was talking about how he was told "No paper trail" regarding the plot in Chicago. He was later jailed on trumped up charges for something. Spent three years in prison. I was momentarily distracted, so I can't recall exactly why this happened to him. Probably because he questioned the cover up of the plot.

[Unvanguard]

15. Ambrose Bierce. n/t

[PhilipShore]

16. General Reinhard Gehlen --JFK was shot by a German team ...

of assassinations --- posing as Russians --- not by GHW Bush pals.

It would of been to risky, to have any of the team in the USA after they shot JFK, because of the risk of being caught and blowing their South American cover.

LBJ had nothing to do with it. Soon after the assassination, they crossed the border into Mexico and/or Canada. They used the Texas Police that were in the KKK, to send them info overseas; so as to find doubles, that looked almost exactly like the actual assassinations -- to divert the investigation, from the real killers.

[saltpoint]

17. If anybody is interested in a REALLY good read on the JFK assassination,

give Don DeLillo's LIBRA a try. It's a skillful and compelling novelization of Oswald's life leading up to and just past the assassination of John Kennedy in Dallas in 1963.

It follows Lee Harvey Oswald very closely. We meet Jack Ruby... well, we meet just about everyone there is to meet in Dallas, New Orleans, Miami, and so forth.

It's quotable, enthralling, and kicks you in the stomach every ten or twelve pages.

[EVDebs]

23. Joan Mellen's A Farewell To Justice

www.joanmellen.net

The Joannides connection to Oswald (and RFK later) via intelligence coverup that even now the 'debunkers' are trying to get a handle on

Celebrated authors demand that the CIA come clean on JFK assassination--
Gerald Posner, Norman Mailer and Don DeLillo back lawsuit to open secret files on CIA mystery man tied to Lee Harvey Oswald.
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/12/17/joannides/index.html

Posner runs cover for the CIA for years and NOW wants answers. LOL !

And re CIA and RFK and Joannides
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/6169006.stm

[saltpoint]

29. EVDebs, the group of folks backing the re-opening of the

file is an impressive bunch.

By no means a marginal bunch of publicity mongers blathering on late-night radio somewhere about conspiracies.

This is an astute group.

I did not know these websites, and I thank you for sending them along to everyone. I will give 'em a look.

[IChing]

31. Our legal advisor and Warren commisioner savior, Arlen specter is still in this shit

I nominated this thread because the coincidence is a Synchronicity.

Critical Mass for this nation and planet when it wakes up.

[saltpoint]

32. A friend of mine in Philadelphia has distrusted Specter all his life.

I felt my distrust of Specter was even deeper and longer-held, but in any case, neither of us like him one iota.

He is a master of deception and lying.

There must have been numerous shadowy figures who got to Arlen Specter early on in his career. That he's held on this long is a disappointment for me, to say the least, but obviously it's too late to reverse all the damage he's caused. That last very narrow election was the last best chance.

Rumor is he plans to run for another term.

I hope he changes his mind and fades away.

[IChing]

33. He defended and reinforced the magic bullet theory

and just look at the senate on his double standards on compromises in the '14'
and his recent fights with Leahy......if the public would wake up he would be gone.

he is either a major tool
or another dark lord that has been reaching for a Seth Lord position for years.

[saltpoint]

34. I can't say that I clinically "know," but my deep suspicion with

Specter is that he knows what he's doing.

And has been doing it for a long time.

I'm sure Leahy is not fooled -- but may not know enough about the connections to effectively blow the whistle.

Specter is a creep.

[IChing]

36. Wow, a major player for a long time

Leahy knows what he is playing with

I hope he is very smart enough to send this seth lord
with his light saber of truth to the dark side
where justice is the light.











Ok that was corny

but I agree

[Melynn]

81. Is Specter the only one left from the Warren Commission?

It seems the rest of the Warren Commission are dead.

I just wish that Gerald Ford would have spoke out about what he knew about the assassination before he died.

[eridani]

63. Indeed. Posner in particular.

He made his bones as a writer attacking Kennedy assassination "conspiracy theories".

[kskiska]

90. Norman Mailer's "Oswald's Tale"

The answer lies with Oswald himself.

[slowry]

21. It was LHO

He was so pissed at JFK and totally shot him in the head, with zero interference. Then he pretended it wasn't just him, just to fuck with everyone, LOL. What a kidder.

p.s. I invented quarks.

[Up2Late]

22. And I have a picture of the most likely location from were the kill shot came from too...

...but if I post it here, it might get the thread locked or just get deleted.

[IChing]

28. Thoughtcrimes are not allowed on DU

You will be sent to room...................911 forum.

I honestly see a lot of people waking up
that their conception of reality and life was a lie


that is a very heavy burden to come to.

I see the new conscious of the public that needs
to be treated like an abused child.

Major therapy, this is not business as usual,

A major paradigm has been broken,
that their physical world is being destroyed by greed
and misinformation and their realities are destroyed
by the rising uncertainty of the weather around them and
within..

I really think that education, personal mental/health
real knowledge, purpose and awareness of our mission
on this planet for a passover to really exist,
is the survival of all species and for all living beings that
make us all whole.

[Up2Late]

67. Is that a quote or your words? Anyway, here's a link to the photos...

...Check them out fast before "they" have them removed (and I'm not telling who "they" are).

[Quantess]

30. I was just reading this DU topic from yesterday...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x586531

Interesting.

[dorkulon]

38. I used to think it was conspiracy...

...but watching all the "9/11 Truth" stuff develop has convinced me it was probably just one asshole.

[Hippo_Tron]

39. All of the above

[Warren DeMontague]

40. John Dillinger. nt

[Fozzledick]

54. Which one?

:yoiks: fnord

[Warren DeMontague]

92. You're not cleared for that level of information yet.

Bury $1,023 in a wooden box in your back yard... (not metal!) and one of our underground agents will contact you.

RIP Bob
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Anton_Wilson

[michreject]

41. Lee Harvey Oswald

Anything else is just speculation.

[soothsayer]

46. Now THAT is funny! We invaded Iraq because we thought Saddam

had WMDs. Anything else is just speculation. OJ is innocent because he was found innocent by a jury. Anything else is just speculation.

[michreject]

69. And this is relevant, how?.......

I didn't see those in the OP. Maybe you should see if you could get those added.

[JackRiddler]

87. The path of the magic bullet is not speculative? n/t

[michreject]

95. Was anyone other than Oswald

ever brought up on charges? I thought not. You can have all the conspiracy theories you want.

I've always suspected Johnson had his hand in it. That is a only a suspicion, not a proven fact and never will be. He had the most to gain.

[soothsayer]

42. LBJ with help from GHW. Then GHW tried it on Reagan but mostly

failed, tho still managed a power grab.

[H2O Man]

43. Other. n/t

[Jcrowley]

48. Who do you

think did it?

[H2O Man]

56. There is a scene

in the movie "JFK," where the team of prosecutors walks in the neighborhood of the 544 Camp Street office that Lee Harvey Oswald operated out of. They see what other interconnected forces were there.

The CIA makes up about 15% of the US intelligence operations. I would suggest that they are not 100% responsible for all of the negative actions associated with US intelligence. Surely, they are responsible for many evils, and we are perhaps more aware of these due to the investigations from the 1970s that focused on the Agency.

The decision to remove JFK from the presidency would not, could not, and did not come from any mid-level intelligence official -- including those who wrote the field reports that are part of the public record. It was made by the very few who could coordinate that neighborhood surrounding 544 camp Street, and not just 15% of it.

[Nimrod2005]

44. Dick Cheney, hunting accident!

[frogcycle]

47. Khalid Sheik Muhammed

[Fly by night]

49. Woody Harrelson's daddy ...

... who just died in prison after also trying to kill federal judges, I believe.

[MethuenProgressive]

50. Jack Kennedy's death is now just a punch line for your bad jokes?

What a shame. What an honest to God shame.

[struggle4progress]

57. Sorry if it comes across that way. There have been several posts on the assassination

here recently, involving various accusations, none of which seem to be definitive.

The problems with the Warren Commission report were thoroughly aired in perhaps the first fifteen years or so after the assassination, and there was a lively cottage industry in conspiracy theories from the late sixties into the early seventies that produced a number of books for the retail market.

If (for example) my dumping LBJ, Jackie, and Nixon together seems strange, I would remark simply that plenty of people who might have had motive to murder JFK were around Dallas at the time. LBJ was reportedly livid at being passed up for the nomination in 1960, Nixon probably thought the election had been stolen, and Jackie was allegedly the victim of regular infidelity, for example; at least two of of them were in Texas on the day of the assassination, and Nixon was in Dallas the day before.

When I ask myself whether, forty odd years after the fact, there is the slightest chance of further clarifying events, I cannot find any reason to think such clarification will be forthcoming. If so-and-so heard so-and-so say he saw a piece of paper in such-and-such a place, demonstrating that (say) Jack Ruby and Lee Oswald knew each other (which is a typical claim from the seventies), we'll never be able to verify it. With the passage of time, we really have lost the trail.

[C_eh_N_eh_D_eh]

51. Elvis!

[soulcore]

53. I wasn't alive at the time, but to me this is when it all seemed to begin

The struggle for corporate and plutocratic control over our government began that day, and hasn't ended since.

We'll be having these same kinds of discussions about 9/11 in 20 years.

[rosesaylavee]

55. LBJ with help from others

Found this very interesting video last summer. Madeline was LBJ's mistress and relates a meeting the night before with LBJ and others. After the meeting, LBJ said something to the effect that 'those **ckers weren't going to laugh at him anymore.'

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1929769365635576415&q=Madeline+LBJ&hl=en

[lksmith]

94. Another interesting docu places JBJ as a key player, but not

as the top figure.

The Men Who Killed Kennedy - The Final Chapter
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=The+Men+Who+Killed+Kennedy&num=10&so=0&start=10

[Odin2005]

58. Oswald

I'm sick of the conspiracy theory crap. Shit happens sometimes. The poll results are disturbing, to many conspiracy nuts running around making DU look bad.

[Leopolds Ghost]

65. Do you think the people who warned us about 9/11 were "conspiracy nuts"?

You do realize it was in the papers, don't you? Osama bin Laden's plans to crash planes into buildings were uncovered and publicized during the course of the Fitzgerald trial of the WTC 1993 suspects. The CIA and Clinton administration publically laughed off the notion that Al Qaeda was making plans to go at it again, and this time would use planes as bombs, crashing them into "the George Washington bridge, Lower Manhattan, and landmarks in the nation's capital".

You don't remember that? Wow, you must have dismissed it as conspiracy nuttery when you read about it in the paper, when you should have written a LTTE that they weren't taking the threat seriously. Care to explain?

[JackRiddler]

88. Poor DU.

Always "looking bad" because of the posters disagreeing with each other on an Internet forum. Damn it.

[deutsey]

97. I don't know...I think there are enough odd and substantiated connections among

Oswald (who was associated with military intelligence), rightwing reactionaries (e.g., David Ferrie), CIA covert operations (e.g., Clay Shaw), and the Mafia (e.g., Jack Ruby) to make it plausible to surmise that something other than what's promoted by the official myth happened in Dallas and afterward.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

61. K&R... to get it to the front page :)

[GETPLANING]

62. Malcolm Wallace was the Texas Book Depository sniper.

Oswald was having lunch when Kennedy was shot.
James Files was the sniper on the grassy knoll.
I don't know who the third sniper who shot through the windshield of Kennedy's limo was.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNTeQ9ckmD8
Follow the link to a three part series that was pulled off the air and buried after the first eopisode aired.

[bananarepublican]

85. Mac Wallace had killed on behalf of LBJ on several occasions b4! n/t

[stirlingsliver]

70. Rusty Shackleford

Rusty Shackleford shot him.

[liberalnurse]

72. LBJ.......

He is not on the list.

[earth mom]

77. Remember how Pappy * bashed JFK conspiracy theorists at Ford's funeral?

Obviously most us know why it gets under his skin. :tinfoilhat:

[PhilipShore]

79. Though I despise Bush , he like Oswald were set up as Patsies...

by the real assassination team -- in Texas that day.

So -- he has some "justification" to be upset, because of all the crazy allegations. The team that hit Kennedy; were all not US citizens. After they shot him they crossed the border, in Mexico and/or Canada.

[earth mom]

99. Nope, don't think so. You need to learn about the BFEE. nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

78. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. I think he's already confessed.

[bananarepublican]

86. He did it with a Get-Smart-like dummy-gun!

I hear the NRA is promoting the manufacture and sale of dummy guns as an anti-pedophilia measure.

[hang a left]

91. What if...

They all knew..

What if they were all in on it...

Why are they still here???

What if there evil plan has been completed

What if ** was the one that was supposed to finish the job?

What if....????

[deutsey]

96. Just like the brothers Gracchi in Rome, the Kennedys and King

were eliminated by monied interests and powerful reactionaries threatened by their popular appeal and more or less progressive agenda (RFK and MLK were more progressive than JFK, imo, but Jack still posed a considerable threat to many American elites).

[NormanYorkstein]

102. LBJ, Cuban crooks and the Italian and Jewish mafias

or perhaps Lee Harvey Oswald, a dedicated communist who hated Kennedy, did it.

[Hersheygirl]

103. Done

[BuyingThyme]

104. You guys rule.

[Geek_Girl]

105. CIA, LBJ, and Anti Castro Cubans

That's my best guess.

[walldude]

107. Well, I'm glad this thread settled the matter

:eyes: :rofl: