Obama Is Breaking Another Promise

[WeDidIt]

If he doesn't draw a line in the sand on the public plan option, he will be allowing the big money lobbyists dictate policy.

Where is that vaunted promise of the lobbyists no longer running things?

[MNDemNY]

1. Where? same place it's always been.

[ixion]

5. 'xactly...moved to the "round file" bin

as soon as the election was over.

[WeDidIt]

8. Yep

I'm seeing no reason to ever work for another Democrat.

[emilyg]

42. It's in File 13 - with the rest.

[Buzz Clik]

2. So IF he doesn't act in the way you'd like, he might be breaking a promise. Right?

[WeDidIt]

4. The lobbyists are killing the public plan option

He has to power to stop that, and he isnt't.

He is doing the will of the insurance company lobbyists.

[Buzz Clik]

7. How does he have the power to stop the activities of lobbyists in Congress?

[Cali_Democrat]

9. He definitely does not. n/t

[Kalyke]

10. Bully pulpit.

Say he'll veto any bill that comes up without a public option.

[katandmoon]

21. Yup. If the public option flies, Obama will get the credit. So if it tanks he should get the blame.

[Captain Hilts]

27. There. That's not so difficult, is it? Well typed. nt

[WeDidIt]

11. Draw a line in the sand

No public plan option, no signature on the bill.

It's that simple.

[Buzz Clik]

13. If he does that, will we have a health care bill from Congress? Or, just his line in the sand?

[WeDidIt]

16. Any bill without a public option plan will be WORSE than what we currently have

The insurance companies are writing the damned thing.

What we have seen come out of the commerce committee is the equivalent for the insuarnce companies what the "bankruptcy reform" bill was for credit card companies.

[Buzz Clik]

17. I suggest you blame Congress and not Obama.

[WeDidIt]

18. Where is the leadership from Obama?

MIA

[Buzz Clik]

23. The title of this thread is intentionally misleading and unnecessarily provocative.

You blame Obama for your frustration with Congress.

[Old Codger]

29. Health care speech

http://www.obamaspeech.com/video/Barack-Obama-in-Bristol-VA

[Buzz Clik]

33. Script for "Rocky"

http://www.awesomefilm.com/script/rocky.html

Cool, huh?

You read mine, and I'll read yours.

[Hutzpa]

48. lol

this is the funniest thing I have seen on DU for a while,
you have just made my day Buzz....Perfect!

:rofl:

[Old Codger]

57. Thanks

But no thanks, not interested in that at all.

[Buzz Clik]

59. That's kinda my feeling about your link.

Lots of speeches out there, and I'm not really interested in reading any of them.

[katandmoon]

22. There is more than enough blame for BOTH if the public option doesn't pass.

But Obama is the one who should be leading the charge for it -- and he mostly definitely is NOT.

[Buzz Clik]

24. He's been silent on the public option? No.

[katandmoon]

43. Has he said he will accept nothing less? NO.

[Hutzpa]

47. What you failed to realize is

Obama knows the legislature too, whatever the insurance companies have pressured
the Senators to add in the bill would be picked up by him, so throwing up temper
tantrum on him not demanding or fighting for public option on a bill he has not
seen is just hogwash...IMO.

[Hutzpa]

46. He has the power to

switch the lights on and off too...in the White House.

[jgraz]

12. Tell me, Buzz. Has he ever acted in a way that YOU didn't like?

Is that even possible?

[bertman]

36. jraz, Buzz Clik is still high on his Obama buzz. Don't bring him down or he might crash.

[Buzz Clik]

40. There's just a big a buzz being generating by shitting on the president for everything that happens.

[bertman]

44. "shitting on the President"?? Come on, Buzz Clik. Dissent in a democracy is patriotic.

Or it used to be.

This is not a theocracy where President Obama is also God's divine, annointed ruler.

[Buzz Clik]

45. Claiming that "Obama Is Breaking Another Promise" when the complaint is with Congress...

... fits the bill. It's dissent, but the criticism is misdirected.

[bertman]

53. I'm remembering several instances when Preznit Bush threatened a veto when his pet bills

were not looking so good. That's a good example of drawing a line in the sand.

If this reform is so important and the President is behind it but will not put his full weight behind it, I don't think that's Congress' fault. Sometimes Congress needs to see that there is a real leader in the White House who will go to the mat with them if they aren't doing the right thing. In this instance, President Obama appears to be backing down.

[Buzz Clik]

55. Is it over yet?

[Hutzpa]

49. I hate these side track

argument...God's Divine, you have to include cynicism with your comment.

[bertman]

56. It's dripping with sarcasm. No cynicism intended. Read what I was responding to.

I don't even believe in god.

[Cha]

52. You got that right...and I don't mean

constructive criticism, either..it's like you said..taking a crap on DU because they can.

Fucking obvious.

[jgraz]

58. Yeah, it's almost like he's the president or something

How dare we have such high expectations.

[Winterblues]

19. "Beginning on Day One"...."One Brigade a Month"

:shrug:

[Buzz Clik]

25. Ah. You're one of those.

How about an update on our deployment in Iraq. What's the actual troop count? Are we on schedule to be gone in 16 months after Obama's swearing in?

[Winterblues]

30. Going on six months and I have not heard of a single Brigade being removed.

Have you? And yes I am "one of those" people that feel suckered by the promises made and not lived up to.

[Buzz Clik]

32. You are one of those intellectually lazy people who are under the impression...

... that if it is uttered at DU it is correct. You then repeat that kind of bullshit and proclaim it to be the truth because you "have not heard otherwise."

Christ.

[Winterblues]

38. I have searched for evidence of a single Brigade leaving Iraq

Instead of name calling which you seem to excel at I have actually looked for results. It is obvious you have not. I asked you a simple question and instead of answering you chose to cast insults. Name one Brigade that has been withdrawn since Obama became President if you can, or is that too intellectually taxing for you? There are several Brigades that are getting new designations from Combat to support though.

[Hutzpa]

51. How long did he say

before the troops start pulling out? Question for you....

[Winterblues]

60. "Beginning on Day One"

That Quote was in my original post.

[Hutzpa]

61. lol

:rofl:

[arcadian]

3. ...

I bow to Colbertwatcher

[MarjorieG]

6. What he does publicly to encourage debate, handle the PR war/partisanship image, not the end game.

He doesn't have control of lobbyists running things. He can make law making transparent, prevent ex-legislators from immediately becoming lobbyists, etc, but until campaign finance stops contributions, we're sunk.

[tridim]

14. I'm sooo glad the MJ DUgasm has died down

Now we can get back to Obama is worse than Hitler/Bush/Satan. Joy.

[Democracyinkind]

31. who said that? totally unnecessary....

[TheWraith]

15. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN. nt

[kjackson227]

20. Ed and Bill are fanning the flames that public option...

is ALMOST doa. Personally, I won't believe it UNTIL I HEAR IT FROM PO.

[Captain Hilts]

26. He had that GREAT statement about how it makes those who think Govt. can't run anything...

then why worry about govt.-run health insurance putting private insurance out of business line, THEN, he negates it with the 'no line in the sand' comment.

MADDENING.

[4lbs]

28. How is he supposed to prevent them from access to Congress?

"Where is that vaunted promise of the lobbyists no longer running things?"


He meant no longer influencing (and controlling) the White House.

We had 8 years of lobbyists influencing Bush Admin policies. Halliburton might as well have been in charge of the Iraq War, considering how much influence it wielded with Cheney and Rumsfeld in the 'reconstruction'.

[MGKrebs]

34. You could call Lockheed and Boeing and Caterpiller and

GE and IBM and United Technologies and ask them to step up and make public statements that they NEED this to compete.

[Captain Hilts]

41. BINGO! Their competitors don't have to pay for healthcare. nt

[Arkana]

35. Was there a health care bill passed? I must have missed it.

[bertman]

37. to answer someone's comment about having the President draw a line in the sand, then lose.

If that happens, with the President going on national teevee and explaining how important the public option is and all the great reasons he supported it, AND with the percentage of Americans he has behind him on this, we would see some serious reshuffling of the deck chairs when the next election cycle came around.

So, my question is, if we can't get a public option or single payer, what difference does it make if we get an industry-written bill that gets vetoed and is not overridden? That leaves us free to start all over next session--with more ammo.

[stray cat]

39. Too bad he isn't a dictator.....

[WI_DEM]

50. Yes, right.

[earth mom]

54. Didn't you hear? Hope and Change has been flushed down the toilet.

:argh: