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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 06:56 AM
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Bizarro world continues: Spiritual adviser: 'Darkness' gripped Sanford
COLUMBIA, S.C. Each Sunday afternoon in May, Gov. Mark Sanford and his wife hosted five other couples at the executive mansion for a spiritual "boot camp." Topics discussed during the hour-and-a-half-long sessions included forgiveness and "not loving your wife as Christ loved the church."

Group leader Warren "Cubby" Culbertson did not tell the other four couples what he and his wife, Susan, had known for months: The governor was having an affair with a woman in Argentina.

When Jenny Sanford confronted her husband in January after finding a letter to "Maria" among his official papers, the governor turned to Culbertson. For nearly six months, Culbertson has been the first couple's spiritual counselor - and their secret keeper.

The Sanfords "passed" the Culbertsons' course with flying colors. A week later, Jenny Sanford asked her husband to leave their home.

In an interview with The Associated Press this weekend at his Columbia office, just blocks from the State House, Culbertson said he believed his friend when he said that this was his only marital transgression. He thinks Sanford was simply caught off guard by "the power of darkness."
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Culbertson helped found the Round Table, a Bible study that, according to a paper posted on the Web, offers men "a safe place to pose their questions, test their assumptions, and know that they will not be alone or stand out as a spiritual seeker." Sanford sought that spiritual refuge on at least a couple of occasions.

"God hates lawlessness and is tireless in His desire to dissuade man from his fascination with lawlessness," reads a paper titled "Cubby's Talks." "Our hearts are lions' dens of devouring lusts. Lawlessness torments righteous souls every day."
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Janine Driver, a Washington, D.C.-based body language and deception detection expert, said Sanford showed more emotion when apologizing to Culbertson and longtime political aide Tom Davis than he did when speaking of his wife and four sons. She also believes he lied when a reporter asked if this was the first time he had been unfaithful.
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Culbertson knows that Sanford, like any man, has weaknesses. In Culbertson's view, Sanford's chief frailty was his inability to deviate from his own agenda in the political arena.

But cheating?

"Some guys are wired such that violating God's design in this area, of women, is a real challenge to them," he said. "That's not in his DNA. That's why it's such a surprise."
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Culbertson does not believe the other woman went out of her way to seduce a married man. When asked if he had met Maria, Culbertson paused, then looked up, an embarrassed smile creasing his face.

"I'm not going to comment," he said.

The Culbertsons have a waiting list for their boot camps, which they've held for about four years. They often hold the Bible study groups at their spacious colonial house overlooking Lake Katherine.
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http://www.charlotteobserver.com/233/story/806871.html

Oh Noes!! Teh darkness!! Is that the same thing as hiking??

Cubby might want to revamp his course. "Cubby???" And Cubby appears to have met the other woman. Did he want to see

what caused teh darkness??

I can read Mark's body language too. I know he's lying when his lips are moving.



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Stevenmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 07:00 AM
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1. I thought it was Maria doing the gripping
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 08:23 AM
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7. "Darkness" was her pet name.
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Happyhippychick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 07:12 AM
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2. The devil made him do it. Don't you get it?
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 07:20 AM
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3. People need to develop their own decency
These righties always look to some "preacher" to give them decency or morality (or just plain common sense); but they can't. No other person can give someone what they have to develop in themselves. I also don't believe ancient, misogynist literature can help people prosper in their intimate relationships.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 09:53 AM
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10. That's why they think non-believers have no morality,because nobody is telling them how to be moral.
Do they think you can't be moral without some one telling/showing you how? (I believe so)Without their "spiritual leaders" they are lost they don't know how to function. It is their crutch. IMO
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 10:09 AM
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11. Fearful and lazy
I believe most righties are fearful and lazy where their own self-development is concerned. And they are pissed at anyone who dares to think for themselves and grow as people individually. That would include both Atheists and people whose spiritual path isn't under the right-wing control. They excuse their own fear and laziness by their righteous submission to what they view as "accepted" authoritarian control, but then they never develop any personal philosophy or ethics (because they are followers only) to back that up, and you get these idiots can't control themselves and don't have a clue why.

If they weren't so dangerous they would just be amusing or sad.
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 11:35 AM
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15. right, because they have no self-motivated desire to do right because it is good
They do what will keep them out of hell, and in favor with their cloud chief. No connection to the inner self, nor to the self within any other (ie, understanding the effects of their actions ain't there)

Kindergarten morality: Do what I say or you'll be in TRROOUUUBBBLLLEEE
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 07:27 AM
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4. "And the Azazel....
...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azazel">scapegoat had a scarlet thread tied around his neck, and was thrown down from the precipice of the mountain on Yom Kippur to recompense the LORD for the sins of the people. The thread turned white as soon as the goat was thrown over the precipice: a sign that the sins of the people were forgiven.



- Nice imagery. Now if only the people will buy it....

K&R
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 07:59 AM
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5. So he needs an exorcism?
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 08:00 AM
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6. It couldn't hurt. n/t
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luvspeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 08:33 AM
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8. Lovely imagry...
They seem to need chastity belts.

The pristine white male, tortured by his DNA and not truly responsible for his own actions, tempted by the "darkness"...a woman from a country of brown-skinned people, a native seductress with all that wanton lasciviousness.

POOOOOORRRRR POOOOORRR MAN!

Ever wonder why these people always call things they consider "bad" dark.

Dude, it's the 21st century. Get over yourself.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 08:41 AM
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9. Sure Seems Like A Secret That Wasn't...
This is at least the third "lawmaker"/fundie that supposedly was aware of Sanford's shtooping. Nothing was said...IRC, Colburn was tauting Sanford as "white house" material...all while knowing this guy was a scumbag.

Maybe it's me, but I've had close friends who've had affairs and I was never given the memo. Those secrets are among the closest held...especially among couples. I find it creepy so many people were onto this secret and did nothing...just let it fester.

The lure of power and ego trumps any personal integrity...from almost ALL involved in this sorrid scandal.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 11:23 AM
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12. Something "gripped" him but it certainly wasn't darkness. nt
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TokenQueer Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 11:28 AM
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13. Is "Darkness" the new GOP slang....
...for dark-wet-place? Those crazy kids! I just can't keep up...
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 11:28 AM
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14. I'll have to remember this if I ever have an affair...
I can say to my wife, "Honey, I'll be home late tonight. I'm having a little darkness grip me after work"

Sounds better than "I'm working late."
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