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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 05:34 PM
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Personal thoughts on those only now realizing how corrupt and incompetent the Bush regime is
This is prompted by Joe Klein's piece in this week's Time Magazine, in which he comes to the conclusion that Mr. Bush not only unfit to govern the nation, but never was fit to do so.

As one who favors impeachment of both Bush and Cheney, I welcome Mr. Klein's epiphany, although noted he doesn't address the impeachment issue in his piece. Nevertheless, Mr. Klein's defection from the Bush camp is helpful and we should see it as such.
It is a matter of public safety that we rid ourselves of the Bush regime sooner rather later. We cannot allow Mr. Bush further opportunity to escalate further the war in Iraq, as he already has in recent weeks, or to expand that war into Iran or other nations in the region. We cannot allow him to allow private enterprise to police themselves in restricting greenhouse gases that threaten the very survival of whole species. We cannot allow him to further strip American citizens of constitutionally guaranteed civil liberties or people elsewhere in the world of basic human rights.

Mr. Klein's will not be the last late epiphany. There will be more. Hopefully, many more and soon.

If we are to be successful in removing the regime before more damage is done to the welfare of the nation and the world, we will need many more such epiphanies, and soon.

Let us not mock people like Mr. Klein for being so slow to realize the true nature ot the Bush regime. It is better they realize it now than before it is too late or not at all.

I reflect on my own inner adventures since the days prior to invading Iraq.

Before the invasion, I thought the Bushies were making too much noise for it to be factual. It things were called into serious question or even outright refuted, the Bushies didn't miss a beat change a word. Even in today's news, Dick Cheney is still asserting that Saddam had significant ties to al Qaida as if it hasn't been already refuted twelve ways to Sunday. As for weapons of mass destruction, I had already surmised that Saddam did not possess them in the quantities that the Bushies claimed.

Yet even I was mildly surprised in the first hours of the invasion when Saddam fired nothing more than four missiles in a pathetic display of strength (for want of a better word). It was at that moment I realized that Bush and his aides had outsmarted themselves: Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction. If he had them, he would have used at the moment the invading forces were most vulnerable: just before the balloon went up, while the forces were massed on the Kuwaiti frontier. That was when a few deadly weapons would work with maximum impact. Four missiles, inaccurate duds at that, was all he had.

Being a private citizen opposed to Bush (whom I saw as a dangerous usurper of power and still do) and his war (which I saw as nothing more than colonial piracy and still do), I had no interest or reason to go into denial about Bush and his aides. They weren't fooled by bad intelligence; they wanted the intelligence bad in order to fool the people. I knew this because, rather than rely on US corporate media for information, I was reading news online and saw this in October 2002. That's Julian Borger in the Guardian reporting in broad strokes about what Seymour Hersh in The New Yorker would not give great details until after Bush pranced around the decks of the Lincoln in his May Day costume. This was the first I knew about the OSP under Doug Feith. Since the Bushies were already acting like liars, the fact that intelligence was being politicized in this manner was no surprise to me.

For four and a half years, from the months prior to the war to the present, I have simply stuck to the same line: Bush and his people were lying and knew they were lying; the occupation will go badly because Bush and his aides don't give two bits about liberating the Iraqi people from a brutal tyrant but about liberating them from their mineral rights. In four and a half years, I have seen nothing to contradict those theses and everything that has come to light has supported them. That once they ousted Saddam they didn't know what the fuck to do next and still don't, well, that was an unpleasant surprise and still is.

However, had I been one of those fooled, or worse, had I been a member of Congress like Joe Lieberman or a journalist like Joe Klein who had misplaced my trust in Bush and his aides, it would have taken something more for me to have abandoned these rogues, something more to even see them as rogues. Any answer I give would be something easy to say. Having been right all along, I never had to think about admitting that I was wrong; as a private citizen, I had no real stake in being right or wrong.

Or had I been wrong, and our troops as they ran up the Mesopotamian Valley found Iraq swimming in weapons grade biochemical materials and discovered warehouses full of document confirming ties between the Iraqi government and al Qaida, how soon would I have admitted that Saddam really was a dangerous and immediate threat? I would like to think it would have been long before now, but that's so easy to say. I never had to think about eating my words at all.

Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney and their associates can take some small solace in that I didn't think the war was a good idea from the beginning. If I had thought otherwise, I might be more upset with them for mishandling post-war Iraq than I am. If I had thought there was anything positive to gain by invading Iraq, I would want them tarred and feathered. As it is, I want them only to be impeached and removed from office, face war crimes charges and get the kind of fair trial that is a human right, not the kind they give suspects in Guantánamo.

Welcome to the light, Mr. Klein, and thank you for sharing your thoughts. I hope they will bring many more to where the air is clear soon.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 05:38 PM
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1. "Personal thoughts"? I want them all crying and pleading for our forgiveness of their
Edited on Fri Apr-06-07 05:39 PM by WinkyDink
WILLFUL ignorance, sneering condescension, and murderous complicity, is what I want.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 05:44 PM
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4. We can offer a cleansing cup of water, that they might clean their tongues
or we can throw vinegar on their freshly opened eyes. Gee, which response helps correct the damage already done?
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 06:02 PM
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5. Thank you.
We should remember, when this is over, to act "with malice toward none, with charity to all." That's a good bit of American wisdom, is it not?

Besides, it will be over a lot sooner if we start practicing that now and ecourage others to defect to the impeachment camp.

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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 07:33 PM
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11. You're talking to the wrong Sicilian here, amici.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 07:44 PM
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14. An eye for an eye?
Great, make everyone blind instead of helping them see.

Just what we need, more hate. Yeah, that'll make the nation better.

NOT
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 08:08 PM
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15. Sicilian:
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 07:34 PM
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12. Neither.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 05:40 PM
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2. I wonder how he personally and financially benefited from Bush's war. nt
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durtee librul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 05:41 PM
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3. Yeah well, so what?
Talk is cheap. And if these so called late bloomers are just now waking up and coming to the party, the least they can do is demand action and MAKE IT HAPPEN and not be such a bunch of pasty mouthed scaredy cats who cater to the wh every time barney sneezes or lil george has a tantrum and threatens not to talk to them or let them have a scoop.

Get real..thanks Joe for telling us ALL here something we absolutely had NO clue as to what was going on.
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wake.up.america Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 06:13 PM
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7. It did not take a rocket scientist to determine Bush was an idiot when he invaded Iraq.
Edited on Fri Apr-06-07 06:13 PM by wake.up.america
I said in 1999 that Bush was an imbecile.

Do I get to write an article in Time magazine?
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 07:25 PM
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10. No, it didn't take a rocket scientist
Then again, not everybody is a rocket scientist.

Like you, I think a lot of these people, including Mr. Klein, should have known better.

Nevertheless, the remedy to the disease in in bringing down the Bush regime, not in punishing every Tom, Dick and Harry who ever supported it in any way.

Impeaching and removing the president is supposed to be hard to do, and I'm glad it is. Let's not kid ourselves, we are talking about something far more extraordinary than that: impeaching and removing the president and vice president, which would elevate the Speaker of the House to the presidency, and, since the Speaker is of a different political faction, that would mean the entire cabinet could be replaced and a number of high level presidential appointees as well. We don't want impeachment; we want regime change.

To do that, we're going to need all the friends we can get and you're not going to get them by being smug and self-righteous about having been right all along. We have to make wavering people on the other side feel comfortable about admitting the mistake of placing trust in Bush and his lieutenants. We have to make them feel comfortable about turning against them.

I haven't been right about everything in my life. I have thought about things today that are different than they were a few years ago. Well, other people have as much right to be wrong as I have, and many have been. Remember how lonely a lot of us felt after the invasion?

The only people who should feel that lonely are the war criminals in the Bush regime.

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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 06:08 PM
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6. It is some consolation
Edited on Fri Apr-06-07 06:08 PM by jimshoes
now that the scales seem to be falling away from the eyes of those who had previously supported this trek through hell. And it is good to see it in print in a mainstream publication as well. Hopefully we shall see many, many more shake off the ill effects of the kool aid in the coming days and weeks ahead.
ed:sp
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 07:24 PM
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9. The only reason
the *dimwits are waking up is that initial feeling of sharp pain in their anal orifices. They have had NO EMPATHY for the canaries in the coal mines. Would that the pain they NOW FEEL PERSONALLY could be increased immeasurably without affecting others.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 07:17 PM
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8. I question the honesty of his epiphany, actually..
he seemed to focus everything on Bush himself, a safe position to take since he cannot be re-elected..

I would've prefered he direct his issues to the men behind the curtain. Klein gives me the impression that if we got rid of George W. Bush, and left everyone else in place, he would be perfectly ok with that

:hi:

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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 07:40 PM
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13. Hello, old friend
:hi: back at ya.

You raise a good point, although I wouldn't accuse Mr. Klein of dishonesty.

You're absolutely right, it won't do just to impeach and remove Bush. All we get that way is President Cheney, which isn't gaining anything.

Cheney, if anything, is more of a crook and more self-consciously crooked than Bush. There is very little that Bush has done that don't also have Cheney's fingerprints on it and a few high crimes and misdemeanors that can be laid on Cheney without involving Bush. It seems that Cheney was more actively involved than Bush with manipulating intelligence about Iraq and, as a direct consequence of that, with blowing Valerie Plame's cover as part of a smear campaign against her husband. That's two impeachable offenses on which we can get both of them.

That is the answer to any one who makes the but-Cheney-will-president argument against impeachment. This isn't impeachment; this is regime change. We should settle for nothing less.

It would be helpful if Mr. Klein in the coming weeks goes further and realizes that it isn't just Bush, but the people around him as well, especially Cheney.

Nevertheless, what he has done so far should be seen as helpful.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 04:05 PM
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20. agreed!
the recent focus on Bush annoys me, but I'll lap it up happily and hungrily! :evilgrin:
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cascagraphic Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 09:01 PM
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16. kick
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 09:02 PM
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17. And let's be patient with those under the delusion that this is about a post-2000 "Bush regime"
who haven't fully woken up yet.

The Big Picture is calling.

:kick:
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 09:08 PM
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18. Let us mock people who should have known better and yelled and
screamed sooner.

Like most of the people on TV, including Klein.

Mock away, I say. Kids are dying.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:44 PM
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19. I don't feel I'm mocking him, at least not publicly
I know DU is open to the public, but I don't consider it public in the same way I would a column in a magazine or newspaper. I consider DU more like conversations I might have at work that can be overheard.

I welcome anyone's criticism of Bush and what he's done. However, I still stand by what I said in the other thread...anyone who didn't listen to Joe Wilson and didn't watch what happened to the people who suffered through Katrina clearly wasn't paying attention. I don't know why they deserve my thanks for stating what they should have said long ago.
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Mr. Ected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 04:28 PM
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21. Call Me Cynical, But I Distrust His "Epiphany"
The 29% Club has remained steadfast year after year after year, despite reams of evidence that contradicted and still contradict their basic premises.

Now, one at a time, they extricate themselves from the woodwork, uttering dubious enlightenments and disappearing again under the rocks they've been slithering beneath.

When these chameleons, these charlatans, these Joe Klein types, stop singing a cappella and commence singing as a chorus, maybe I'll lose some of my cynicism.

Unfortunately, it appears that it's too late for ephiphanies. The Bushies know that. Even if the entire tide of the media turns against them, even if the Congress investigates and prosecutes, the damage is done, and Bush's sentence will be historical infamy...which is his legacy anyway.
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