Don't get mad at Obama, blame the Conservadems

[steelmania75]

Obama can only do so much as the president. That is why we have a Congress that doesn't seem to want to get things done. If the healthcare bill fails because of the Conservadems, then they aren't Democrats, and need to be replaced by REAL Democrats and Progressives in the upcoming Senate Elections.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. FDR had the same problem... he solved it

he will have to start flexing that muscle... but we will have to hit the streets

[redqueen]

8. Really? I read that FDR came into office with a "compliant congress"

who would have done whatever he said.

How did FDR flex his muscle to rein in his unruly congress, then?

[el_bryanto]

11. He was in office for a long time

And congress was with him on some issues and opposed to him on others - it seems like he always wanted to take a harder line on the Nazis but Isolationist Republicanoids preferred not to.

Bryant

[redqueen]

16. We can't compare FDR after years to Obama five months in.

Congress's mood when FDR took office is the issue here I would think.

[el_bryanto]

17. Fair enough.

He did get a lot done in his first 100 days; I'm sure he had to do some finagling to do it, but Congress was pretty responsive to him in that period.

Bryant

[redqueen]

18. I'm not sure what if any finagling he had to do.

That's why I asked.

I have read that when he took office he had a compliant congress who was willing to do whatever. Disastrous economic conditions likely helped to foster that environment.

[Sebastian Doyle]

2. That's all true enough.

But if they send him a shitty bill and he signs it, THEN it becomes his fault.

What he should do, preemptively, is tell them to not even bother sending him a bill without (at the very LEAST) a true public option.

And I sure hope to God he reads the bill they DO send him. And I mean, personally. Definitely not allow Rahm Emanuel and his "privatize Medicare" brother to screen it for him.

[OHdem10]

3. I have been trying to point this out all along.

[Cali_Democrat]

4. You've got to understand that some people on DU really want to blame Obama no matter what

They know how our government works. They know that any kind of legislation must be passed by Congress first and subsequently signed by Obama. They don't care though.

The reason for the anti-Obama diatribes is to tear down Obama because they never really liked him anyway.

[lamp_shade]

5. Ding... Ding... Ding... BEST POST I've read all day.

With a little research it's clear that most of the "I'm so disappointed" posters have been disappointed since the primaries and, of those, most supported Kucinich. They'll never get over it.

[armyowalgreens]

6. Bullshit.

I supported Obama throughout the election.

Now he is going back on his word at every point.


If you want to blame Congress, go right ahead. I blame Obama for not speaking out in support of single payer. I blame Obama for not supporting LGBTQ rights. I blame Obama for not speaking out against government "secrecy" and indefinite imprisonment.


His administration is not living up to their side of the bargain.


If you want to call us all Obama haters, you are literally blind to reality.

[el_bryanto]

15. Well Obama never promised to support single payer

and anybody who expected him not to be a centrist Clinton like democrat on healthcare was probably fooling itself.

That said I totally agree with the other two issues; he didn't have to file a brief in favor of DOMA and he certainly didn't need to shield the Bush Administration in the shameful way he has been.

Bryant

[armyowalgreens]

23. Oh okay, so you AREN'T saying that it's unreasonable for us to be angry at the Obama admin.

You're just saying we are Obama haters and probably never liked him?

:eyes:

[el_bryanto]

24. No -I'm saying that if you are building a case against obama

Pick the stuff he's actually done that it's reasonable to be angry with him about. Where he's actually betrayed principles he claimed to be fighting for.

Bryant

[redqueen]

9. I don't think they know how government works.

Remember the DoJ brief brouhaha?

[konnichi wa]

14. That is crap. I like him a lot, and I reserve my right as a U.S. citizen

who voted for him to hold his feet to the fire when necessary. You are 100% wrong in that idiotic accusation.

[PHIMG]

7. Clinton whipped Democrats for NAFTA

Where is the Obama whipping operation? He needs to call out Conservadems.

[redqueen]

10. Was it Clinton or the money behind Clinton?

IMO it was the $$$$.

[PHIMG]

20. It is widely report that Rahm had a whipping operation out of the West Wing for NAFTA n/t

[redqueen]

21. I'm sure it was the $$$ behind Rahm as well that was more influential

than either Clinton or Rahm themselves.

[walldude]

12. We have majority in the House and Senate and we have the Executive

and you are going to tell me if we don't get health care reform it's the fault of the lame duck Republicans? Good plan :eyes:

[redqueen]

19. No, Conservadems. It's right there in the subject line, even. (nt)

[konnichi wa]

13. Are you laboring under the misconception that Obama is a liberal?

:shrug:

[kctim]

22. Question

Other than the standard answer that "they are corporists," which ALL politicians are, what makes one a "Conservadem" and not a "REAL Dem?
Why someone like myself, an anti-war pro-choice pro-gay rights atheist, should go and vote Republican?