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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 04:38 PM
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SCOTUS has literally lost its mind!
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5idehfxH8FFzeQFqFXR_wTChbSDGQD98VUJLG0

What's with allowing an Alaskan goldmine to dump waste in a nearby lake when they
know for sure that all the fish will be killed?

This country is fucking insane!
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 04:42 PM
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1. In the strict constructionist view, the fish have no rights. Yeah, and corporations are persons. nt
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 04:48 PM
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4. There is no mention of fish in the constitution.
And god said that corporations are persons...I think it is in the bible.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 01:42 PM
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9. Yup. nt
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 04:45 PM
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2. That's not all...attacks on public ed, miranda, whistleblowers, unreasonable imprisonment...
Edited on Mon Jun-22-09 04:47 PM by Hannah Bell
_ Upheld a federal government permit to dump waste from an Alaskan gold mine into a nearby lake, even though all its fish would be killed. The justices on a 6-3 vote said a federal appeals court wrongly blocked the permit on environmental grounds. Environmentalists fear that the ruling could set a precedent for how mining waste is disposed in American lakes, streams and rivers.

_ Ruled that parents don't have to send their special education students to public schools before asking to get reimbursed for private school tuition. The justices ruled 6-3 that the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act does not require public school attendance before parents of special ed students can ask to be reimbursed for the child's tuition at private schools. The family of a teenage Oregon boy has fought to get reimbursed for $65,000 in private tuition.

_ Refused to revive a lawsuit that former CIA operative Valerie Plame and her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, brought against former members of the Bush administration. A lower court last year threw out their lawsuit accusing Vice President Dick Cheney and several former high-ranking administration officials of revealing her identity to reporters in 2003.

_ Agreed to determine the constitutionality of a federal law that permits sex offenders to be kept behind bars after they complete their prison terms. A federal appeals court said in January that Congress overstepped its authority when it enacted a law allowing for indefinite commitment of people who are considered "sexually dangerous." The court will hear arguments this fall.

_ Decided to consider restricting certain whistleblower lawsuits claiming that local governments misused federal money. The court will decide whether the term "administrative audits" refers to a report prepared by any government or only a federal government document. The federal False Claims Act prohibits whistleblower lawsuits when public disclosure of the alleged fraud occurs through an administrative audit. The court will hear arguments this fall.

_ Took on the question of whether a suspect has to be told that he has a right to have a lawyer present during questioning by police. The Florida Supreme Court said Miranda warnings should include not only disclosure that a suspect has a right to an attorney before police questioning, but also during police questioning. The Florida attorney general disagreed and appealed the case to the Supreme Court. The court will hear arguments this fall.

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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 04:47 PM
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3. There's a link to a NY Times article with more details here:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 04:49 PM
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5. yep. that was fucking insane. I posted about it when it happened
Scalia's comments were mind boggling.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 04:49 PM
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6. Not really
all the court did was say that the mine legally has the right to dump. Based on the shit work done by the Army Corp of Engineers (the same wonderful people bringing you the fantastic levees in New Orleans), and the laws written by shrubbo and his team of toadies led by Bill (Terry Schaivo is healthy) Frist and Tom (I am de' law {insert Sylvester Stallone voice here}) DeLay they probably made a correct judgment.

Luckily, for us and the fish I hope, shrubbo, Frist and DeLay are no longer around and the responsibility will probably go back to where it belongs with the EPA (based on real science since 2009). I would not be surprised to see that law change before that company can break ground.
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yorgatron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 04:52 PM
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7. and Sotomayor is going to help us HOW?
everything she's done and said sounds conservative to me,on top of which she'll be catholic #6
:eyes:
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 04:56 PM
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8. huh?
She probably won't do much to help or hurt this. It's basically a pretty simple legislative/executive fix, all they have to do is give jurisdiction back to the EPA IIRC.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 01:44 PM
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10. Fish have no civil rights.. God gave man "dominion" over the "beasts"
and told him (apparently) to kill them and/or eat them all:(
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 01:49 PM
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11. Articles from AK newspapers...
http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/062309/loc_453703862.shtml
The U.S. Supreme Court sided with Coeur Alaska and the state of Alaska on Monday, meaning tailings mine waste from the Kensington gold mine can be dumped into Lower Slate Lake. It's the first time in 30 years a U.S. mine will be allowed to transform a natural lake into a tailings pond. The court's ruling, one of the last of its term, resolves a lawsuit that the Southeast Alaska Conservation Council, Lynn Canal Conservation and the Juneau Group of the Sierra Club brought in 2006. Both sides say it sets a precedent - one hailed by the mine industry and builders but deplored by environmentalists. It greenlights the Kensington mine that has been in the works for two decades but on hold since mid-2007. It's expected to support 200 well-paid workers once operational.
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Coeur's plan was to dump 4.5 million tons of tailings into Lower Slate Lake. The plan would raise the lake's bottom 50 feet, increasing its footprint to 60 acres from 23, and kill all the fish in it. Coeur planned to treat all of the lake's runoff, which heads into Slate Creek and down to Berners Bay. The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers called the tailings fill, said Coeur's plan was the least environmentally damaging option and gave the company a permit. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency said it wasn't the best option but didn't object. Environmentalists sued. They said the EPA's own regulations prohibited any discharge into a water body, and that turning a lake into a tailings pond was contrary to the Clean Water Act of 1972. They lost in district court but won on appeal in the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in 2007.

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The question at hand: Should federal permitters consider tailings, the ground-up waste rock that's left after the ore is removed, to be fill in the lake or wastewater from the mine? If it's fill, the Corps is in charge. If it's wastewater, as SEACC unsuccessfully argued, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's 1982 standards apply. They're specifically for froth-flotation mills like Coeur's, in which miners mix ground-up rock with a detergent to make the gold float so it can be skimmed off. The standard is zero discharge, which means tailings couldn't go into Slate Lake.

Writing for the majority, Justice Anthony Kennedy's opinion says both the Clean Water Act and the regulations from the agencies are ambiguous on what kind of permit Coeur should have. So the Court should defer, he wrote, to the agencies' interpretation of their own regulations. He specifically referred to a 2004 memo in which an EPA official said it was OK to apply the EPA standard to the water coming out of the lake, instead of the water going into it.

Dissenting Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said, however, the Clean Water Act was unambiguous. She quoted its writers: "'The use of any river, lake, stream or ocean as a waste treatment system,' the Act's drafters stated, 'is unacceptable.'" Justices David Souter and John Paul Stevens joined her in the minority. Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito and Chief Justice John Roberts backed Kennedy. Anthonin Scalia and Stephen Breyer wrote their own concurring opinions. ..(more@link)


http://www.adn.com/money/industries/mining/story/840031.html
The U.S. Supreme Court's Monday decision allowing a gold mine near Juneau to discharge its waste into a fish-bearing lake could be the final word in the long-running dispute. But environmentalists hope that it is not. Their lawsuit over the Kensington mine, 45 miles northwest of Juneau, fueled a bitter war between industry boosters and environmentalists in the state's capital. Statewide, the suit cast a shadow over Alaska's mining industry, and in particular, the massive Pebble copper and gold prospect in Southwest Alaska.

On Monday, Kensington's supporters -- including the entire Alaska congressional delegation and Gov. Sarah Palin -- hailed the Supreme Court decision as a positive step for Juneau and the state. Coeur Alaska Inc., operator of the Kensington mine, announced plans to begin producing gold in the last half of 2010. But environmentalists say their fight is not over.

About 150 members of the U.S. House of Representatives are co-sponsoring legislation this year seeking to reverse the Bush administration policy that the Supreme Court relied on in its ruling Monday. Also, a coalition of environmental groups are pleading with the Obama administration to cancel the Bush policy. "If the Obama administration does nothing, it has busted the door wide open for destructive mining practices in other places," said Tom Waldo, a Juneau environmental attorney who argued the case all the way up to the Supreme Court. He said the ruling will allow any developer of a project -- from Pebble to a coal-fired power plant in the Midwest -- to get around federal water-quality standards by petitioning the U.S. Corps of Engineers to redefine its waste as fill material, Waldo said. ...(more@link)
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