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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 11:11 PM
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What Bush Told Blair Could End the Wars
In May 2005 we launched AfterDowningStreet.org to publicize the Downing Street Minutes. By June we'd had great, if fleeting, success. During the following months and years, mountains of new memos and statements emerged on the Iraq War lies, many of them more damaging than the Downing Street documents. But increasingly nobody cared, because evidence of crimes was less interesting once Congress had dropped the pretense that it might take action. The single most powerful, and yet largely ignored, document yet to emerge, might, now in 2009, finally, produce results. And, of course, it is our friends over in England who are, as always, two steps ahead of us.

This document, or rather, reports of it, emerged in February 2006. We labeled it the White House Memo and began promoting awareness of it. We did not get far with the US corporate media. This is the same document that Vincent Bugliosi refers to as "the Manning Memo" in his book "The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder". Bugliosi rightly makes it central to his case. Part of the conversation recorded in the memo is recreated in Crawford, Texas, rather than the White House, in Oliver Stone’s 2008 film “W.”

The memo was first mentioned in Philippe Sands' 2005 book "Lawless World: America and the Making and Breaking of Global Rules." And it was Sands, an attorney from England, who publicized the memo in February 2006. Now the British media is questioning whether the British government's upcoming review of the Iraq War lies will include such damning pieces of evidence as the White House Memo. And Philippe Sands is advocating for its inclusion. Peace groups led by the Stop the War Coalition in England are planning a rally at Parliament on Wednesday to demand that the governmental inquiry be public. Secrecy, after all, is what allowed the war in the first place.

And what difference might it make if the public in the United Kingdom or (can you imagine it!) in the United States knew about this memo? Well, this is a document that goes beyond proving that Bush wanted war and lied about the reasons for it (That's so 2002). This document proves that Bush was willing to provoke Saddam Hussein into attacking Americans.

On January 31, 2003, prior to the full-scale invasion of Iraq in March, President George W. Bush met with British Prime Minister Tony Blair in the White House. After their meeting, they spoke to the media (video) and claimed not to have decided on war, to be working hard to achieve peace, and to be worried about the imminent threat from Iraq to the American people. They claimed that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction and had links to al Qaeda, and -- Bush implied, but avoided explicitly stating -- to the attacks of September 11, 2001. They also claimed to have UN authorization for launching an attack on Iraq. These were all blatant lies, as revealed in the White House Memo, which recorded what Bush and Blair had talked about behind closed doors just prior to the press conference. And yet, to my knowledge, not one of the reporters you see in the above video has made a peep about it.

Blair advisor David Manning took notes that day. The accuracy of his memo has never been challenged by Bush or Blair. According to Manning, Bush proposed to Blair a number of possible ways in which they might be able to create an excuse to launch a war against Iraq. One of Bush’s proposals was "flying U2 reconnaissance aircraft with fighter cover over Iraq, painted in UN colours . If Saddam fired on them," Bush argued, "he would be in breach" of UN resolutions. In other words, Bush wanted to falsely paint US planes with UN colors and try to get Iraq to shoot at them. This is what Bush really thought about the horrible, evil threat of Saddam Hussein: he wanted to provoke him. He wanted to get US pilots shot at in order to start a war that Congress would then fund for years, and perhaps decades, on the grounds that doing so would "support the troops."

Bush understood that the United Nations had not passed a resolution to legalize an attack on Iraq. The White House Memo describes Bush telling Blair that "the US would put its full weight behind efforts to get another resolution and would 'twist arms' and 'even threaten'. But he had to say that if ultimately we failed, military action would follow anyway." (These are Manning's notes of what Bush said.) In other words, going to the United Nations was not actually an attempt to avoid war, but an attempt to gain legal cover for a war that would be launched regardless of whether that project succeeded. And Bush wasn’t kidding about twisting arms; that very same day the National Security Agency (NSA) launched a plan to bug the phones and e-mails of UN Security Council members.

At this time, a month and a half before the full-on invasion of Iraq, the US military was already engaging in hugely escalated bombing runs over Iraq and redeploying troops, including to newly constructed bases in the Middle East, all in preparation for an invasion of Iraq, and all with money that had not been appropriated for these purposes. The reporters who questioned Bush and Blair on January 31, 2003, did not know about or ask about those activities.

That Bush was interested in provoking Iraq is confirmed by extensive covert operations called DB/Anabasis reported by Michael Isikoff and David Corn in their 2006 book "Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War." These operations "envisioned staging a phony incident that could be used to start a war. A small group of Iraqi exiles would be flown into Iraq by helicopter to seize an isolated military base near the Saudi border. They then would take to the airwaves and announce a coup was under way. If Saddam responded by flying troops south, his aircraft would be shot down by US fighter planes patrolling the no-fly zones established by UN edict after the first Persian Gulf War. A clash of this sort could be used to initiate a full-scale war. On February 16, 2002, President Bush signed covert findings authorizing the various elements of Anabasis. The leaders of the congressional intelligence committees -- including Porter Goss, a Republican, and Senator Bob Graham, a Democrat -- were briefed."

A similar story came out about Dick Cheney with regard to Iran in 2008. Journalist Seymour Hersh reported at a journalism conference in 2008 that at a 2008 meeting in the Vice President’s office, soon after an incident in the Strait of Hormuz in which a US carrier almost shot at a few small Iranian speedboats, "There was a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war. The one that interested me the most was why don’t we build -- we in our shipyard -- build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy Seals on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up. Might cost some lives. And it was rejected because you can't have Americans killing Americans. That's the kind of -- that's the level of stuff we're talking about. Provocation. But that was rejected."

After the invasion of Iraq, with no weapons or ties to 9/11 having been found, Diane Sawyer asked Bush on camera (ABC News, December 16, 2003) about the claims he had made about "weapons of mass destruction," and he replied: "What’s the difference? The possibility that could acquire weapons, if he were to acquire weapons, he would be the danger."

Iraqi deaths as a result of the invasion and occupation, measured above the high death rate under international sanctions preceding the attack, are estimated at 1.2 to 1.3 million by two independent sources (Just Foreign Policy’s updated figure based on the Johns Hopkins / Lancet report, and the British polling company Opinion Research Business’s estimate as of August 2007). According to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), the number of Iraqis who have fled their homes has reached 4.7 million. If these estimates are accurate, a total of nearly 6 million human beings have been displaced from their homes or killed, as of August 2008. Many times that many have certainly been injured, traumatized, impoverished, and deprived of clean water and other basic needs.

That we can't prosecute torture is bad enough. That you have to cross an ocean to even find a discussion of accountability for war lies is worse.

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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 11:39 PM
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1. "This document proves that Bush was willing to provoke Saddam Hussein into attacking Americans."
Profound implications in this. K & R
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 12:02 AM
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2. treason
is what the Constitution calls it
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 09:25 AM
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18. Oh we know they've committed treason, again and again, thanks to you and others like Paul Thompson.
Edited on Mon Jun-22-09 09:28 AM by glitch
When you find out someone has been lying to you you look for other things they may've lied about.

This memo shows Bush/Cheney tried to provoke another into attacking Americans. When else may "Deer-eyed" Bush and "Stand-down" Cheney have attempted to do exactly that -- only succeeded?
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 12:40 AM
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3. Blair spoke of "wrongfooting" Saddam, which is to say, tricking him into inviting attack.
Mr. Swanson, your work is deep and slow, and without encouragement, and yet you don't forget.

:thumbsup:
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 01:03 AM
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4. i meant what i said and i said what i meant
an elephant's faithful 100%

well, not THAT kind of elephant
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 09:02 AM
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15. I heard that Who, Horton
Well done! :patriot:

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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 01:35 AM
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5. K&R
:thumbsup:
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 04:32 AM
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6. Isn't that old news?
I remember reading about something like that at least 4 years ago.
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dothemath Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 09:04 AM
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16. Four years ago,
there was a fox guarding the henhouse. Now, we will see if things are truly different - or more of the same.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 10:26 AM
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25. You're probably thinking of the Downing Street Memo
This is different.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 06:24 AM
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7. K&R
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 07:01 AM
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8. K&R
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 07:44 AM
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9. Can't believe, on a Bill Maher show recorded not that long ago,
Guest pundits seemed literally shocked that > a million Iraqis have died due to our invasion. Where the h*ll do these people live.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 10:54 AM
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27. They live in LaLa Land
Where life is perfect and everyone is happy (or maybe drugged).
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 06:43 PM
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43. Well they all have great health insurance, so they've got access.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 07:51 AM
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10. K&R. nt
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 01:32 PM
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31. wow that's a beautiful dog nt
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 10:25 AM
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49. Thank you!
That's my boy, Dante. He's as friendly as he is handsome.

He just received an invitation to appear at the Crufts dog show in England. (Not that we have the funds or inclination to go, but it's nice to be invited.)
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 08:06 AM
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11. no that wouldn't end the wars
not as long as we have the criminal mainstream media on the job
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 03:43 PM
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36. State TV
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 08:08 AM
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12. what WOULD end the wars is the truth about 9/11
if we could get around the criminal mainstream media
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 06:40 PM
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42. Can you imagine, if the recommendations from the first inquiry,
to have a second investigation was followed through on?
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 08:09 AM
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13. Excellent recap, David. However, I did not glean from it what it was exactly that Bush told Blair
would end the war. Did I miss that tidbit?
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 08:50 AM
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14. K&R
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FraDon Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 09:13 AM
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17. k&r • It's the Tyrant's Template. Remember the Maine?
The Spanish American War was invisibly underway; the troops were staged in Florida; just sink one of our own ships. Americans killing Americans? Small price to pay. Just light the carefully prepared fuses. Can you say Gulf of Tonkin, the hits on JFK MLK RFK et.al., April Glaspie, 9-11.

Of course they Make It Happen On Purpose. Again and again and again.

"Hardball," they scream as they call us woosie surrender-monkeys, ("Because it works so well for us, dontcha know)."
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 09:31 AM
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19. *'s concience was lost long ago--
if he ever had one. And learned hardball politics at his father's knee--but went beyond that--because he's more of a sociopath and evil. I guess this is one of the dangers of a "hereditary" presidency--they get hardened and lose touch with everyday morality. Cheney was in the biz far too long and was similarly hardened. The 9/11 attacks were just what they needed to fulfill their chickenhawk dreams of power and glory, at the expense of our military.

They say Wall St. operates with a different moral code--and I think Washington does too. We need fresh people to constantly come in who are not jaded and twisted. That's one of Obama's strengths; he comes from outside and still has his moral sense intact.
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mojowork_n Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 12:48 PM
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28. What a memo that would be
Edited on Mon Jun-22-09 12:51 PM by mojowork_n
...if you listed the "real" causes of all the wars that had bogus origins.

The "Zimmerman Telegram" that helped to bring the U.S. into World War I was a brilliant fabrication. When it was revealed, 50 years later, following de-classification of British Official Secrets, many historians were embarrassed -- but it hasn't really changed the way that the history of the period has been taught in schools.

The "lucky aircraft carriers" that just happened to be away from Pearl Harbor, in December, 1941, when Australian warnings about a Japanese fleet on it's way to Pearl Harbor were ignored...

The "attack" on U.S. Naval forces at Tonkin Gulf...

The "Cuban threat" to Grenada that Ronnie Reagan had to check, with an invasion...

The conference at Rambouillet, outside Paris, where Madelaine Albright was quoted as saying 'the bar had to be raised high enough to make sure Serbs got a little bombing,' prior to the NATO air war on Yugoslavia, in the 90's, when an 'exasperated' President Clinton had to find a way to 'stop genocide.'

...It would be an equally interesting and valuable exercise to take a second look at some of the "unsuccessful" attempts at intervention. The U.S. "war on drugs" and how it's affected our relationship with our Latin American neighbors, while drugs have continued to flow to this country. Just as no amount of bloodshed in Africa seems to have impeded or diminished the flow of mineral resources (coltan from the Congo and Rwanda) so necessary for the manufacture of high-tech electronics.
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 09:37 AM
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20. Great read, and I don't want to defend Bu*h, but it's a memo. Something somebody somewhere typed up.
I could write a memo and distribute it right now; it wouldn't make it holy truth.

I just don't want to hang ourselves chasing 'memos.'
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 02:31 PM
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32. this "memo" was written by someone who has long been a trusted
note taker and accurate reporter of what was said..neither side is finding trouble with his reporting as fact.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 02:32 PM
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33. Yes it is indeed Treason to lie a nation into war.
Why isn't Obama investigating this? Why is he covering for Bush and Cheney? If he does not prosecute these people, then he is EQUALLY as guilty of war crimes.
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 06:22 PM
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41. Does this meet the legal definition of treason?
I don't know enough about law to know personally.

I imagine there have been many laws broken a multitude of times, by a rather large and varied group of people. If anything I believe the reason the Obama Administration doesn't want to get into prosecutions is that it would reach further into society than many people imagine.

Not that I agree. I don't. I don't think it's a stretch to say there is real danger lurking somewhere down the road for us due to these policies going unchecked. But the precedent has apparently been set. It remains to be seen how much further the next clueless wonder to make it into the Whitehouse will take it.
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 06:46 PM
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44. If this memo got proper exposure though
I can just see what ultimate excuse the Bushies would be using: (a) that it was okay to lie the country into war, because they had other, secret reasons that they could not divulge due to national security, so the false reasons had to suffice and there was an actual cause for war anyway, and (b) that they had lawyerly memos from the DoJ that said it was a-okay to lie, just like Yoo's said it was cool to torture people.

Bullshit all, but this is what they *could* say, and a lot of people would probably buy it.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 09:47 AM
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21. Kick
:kick:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 09:54 AM
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22. Hope many people will read this. Thank you.
:kick: :kick: :kick:
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 10:02 AM
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23. K&R. n/t
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 10:04 AM
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24. K&R n/t
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 10:51 AM
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26. I knew some of this but not all of it
thank you so much for your outstanding research and admirable dedication.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 01:25 PM
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29. I'm not sure why this outrages statement didn't get
impeachment trials moving?

After the invasion of Iraq, with no weapons or ties to 9/11 having been found, Diane Sawyer asked Bush on camera (ABC News, December 16, 2003) about the claims he had made about "weapons of mass destruction," and he replied: "What’s the difference? The possibility that could acquire weapons, if he were to acquire weapons, he would be the danger."
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 01:28 PM
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30. Uglier than the story
is watching the continuing indifference of the American media, the American people, and the American political establishment. K & R.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 03:49 PM
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37. agreed..
knr!
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felinetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 02:40 PM
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34. I know we've said it many times, but how are these criminals still walking around free?
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 03:21 PM
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35. One would have to be brain dead to go along with this sort of Policy
Unfortunately, many people are, and continue to enable the Military Industrial complex for a few dollars more.

Contract law has been broken and violated by the Government, and people don't seem to care. If the Government can screw entire nations on a whim, then exactly how rock solid is the average Soldiers Enlistment Contract?

Time to not honor the contract and stop going along with the fraud that is being further revealed as our Government every day.

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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 03:56 PM
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38. Please, remind me again why I'm in this party
the one that despite the lies being brain-dead obvious from the start cheered the war anyway. The one that despite a mandate in 2006 to stop the war wrote Bush a big check to continue the war. And the one that despite having a clear majority seems to be sending the message that treason is a crime it is OK to just walk away from.
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 04:46 PM
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39. Mods, please send this conspiracy bullshit to the dungeon.
It's challenging my view that the Bush regime was too incompetent and stupid to plan false flag attacks. Next thing you know they'll be saying the Al Qaeda leadership had ties to intelligence agencies.

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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 06:14 PM
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40. But Obama will not consider even investigating these monumental crimes--
much less prosecute them. He is so afraid of Rove et al that he will not even investigate the injustice done to Gov Seigelman, despite untold numbers of attorneys-general and judges who have written to insist on it. I do NOT understand where Obama is coming from, but it could not be to save his precious agenda, which is pathetic at best and never seems to get him excited enough to even push it.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 06:47 PM
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45. So what's yer point, David?................ kR #100
Edited on Mon Jun-22-09 06:47 PM by omega minimo
:toast: Thanks for you work. News not so good for the Wilsons from the Bushco SCOTUS
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Duval Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 06:49 PM
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46. K&R n/t
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 06:53 PM
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47. K&R
We are getting an Iraq War inquiry now, but its remit may be very limited. The Judge doing the Inquiry has shamed the Prime Minister by saying that much, if not all of the inquiry should be open and not secret as Brown had wanted.

I doubt that the remit will allow for investigation in to war crimes, I also understand that Blair will not appear if called. If so it would be a further disgrace. There was recent news that Blair knew a lot more about torture than previously thought. He was supposed to have positively encouraged it.

This stain on the history of two great Nations will never clear.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 09:31 PM
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48. evidence of crimes was less interesting once Congress dropped the pretense that it might take action
"But increasingly nobody cared, because evidence of crimes was less interesting once Congress had dropped the pretense that it might take action."

*

"Bush understood that the United Nations had not passed a resolution to legalize an attack on Iraq. The White House Memo describes Bush telling Blair that "the US would put its full weight behind efforts to get another resolution and would 'twist arms' and 'even threaten'."

"Even threaten" Congress?

*

"In other words, going to the United Nations was not actually an attempt to avoid war, but an attempt to gain legal cover for a war that would be launched regardless of whether that project succeeded."

Like father, like son.
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