Sardar (General) Ali Fazli of the Revolutionary Guard arrested by order of Ali Khamenei - I_Report

[WillyT]

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Sardar (General) Ali Fazli of the Revolutionary Guard responsible for the Seyad-al-Shohada , Tehran Province was arrested by order of Ali Khamenei for not taking action against unarmed Iranian civilians…

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Link: http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-278835

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Based on not verified, Sardar Ali Fazli has been arrested

yesterday by order of Ali Khamenei , he is one of the greatest commanders of the Revolutionary Guards

who was recently assigned as the commander of Tehran Province Corps "Seyed Alshohada".Reports indicate that this action if followed by his refusal from Ali Khameneyee to suppress people. He is the veteran of the imposed war and because of his refusal has been immediately arrested and transferred to an uncertain place.

Sardar Ali Fazli is said to be the former deputy commander of operations of Iranian total Revolutionary Guards.

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Link: http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-278654

Jesus... I'm not sure what to believe anymore, but if true... this is big.

:shrug:

[MUAD_DIB]

1. How big?

[WillyT]

2. Bigger Than A Bread Box

I don't know???

:wtf:

But if the Revolutionary Guard is not unifying behind the "Supreme Leader", it could be his undoing.

Don't ya think???

:shrug:

[MADem]

10. You are right Willy T. It's profound.

The Revolutionary Guards are reliable regime enforcers. We already know the conscript military has been reluctant to beat on their brothers and sisters, and the police have been slow to beat on their children and siblings, so that leaves the RG and the Baseeji....and the five thousand or so Arab thugs they imported from Beirut.

Khameini has a problem. If he can't get someone to follow his orders, he'll learn pretty quick that he backed the wrong horse in ordering that the declaration of results be rigged for Ahmadi.

He should have put aside his hatred of Mousavi and just dealt with the consequences, and learned to work with the man. Instead, the entire concept of rule by ulema will probably be an eventual casualty if Mousavi does prevail. It may not happen straight away, but if Khameini goes down, that demonstrates that the Supreme Leader is not infallible. And if he's not that, why, who the fuck needs 'em?

Maybe I'll be able to go back! Wow, never thought I'd see the day!

[roguevalley]

22. reports have been coming in for a while that the military is cracking.

the police are too, some begging people to go home. they don't want to do this. if the revolutionary guard fold, the regime is history.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. If true this is really big

the guards are now taking the side of the streets, at least some

The government is near falling

I Corp from another site also took the side of the protesters.

As they say, this is getting very hot.

By the way, it is 08:43 Local Tehran time as I post this

21:43 PST.

[Adsos Letter]

4. This was what I have been suspecting might happen

nadin you seem to have a good understanding of how things work there...do you think this commander's units will remain loyal to him, and place their military weight on the side of the protestors, possibly in putting down the basij? I admit I have no clue, only a half-educated suspicion...not worth much for prognostication.

[canetoad]

11. Did you see the other post

(will look for it in a minute) about the guy writing on The Atlantic. Hell, you probably posted it...sorry.

This was what he predicted. As soon as the military become involved, the government will fall. If this is true and the general has been arrested I think there is no question that the guard will remain loyal to him.

Is this checkmate?

Edit to add post:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5888343
but note, how sad this is. I could only remember one word of the title and had to do a search for 'motherfuckers'.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Half educated guess, but in any situation like this

once the security forces take the side of the streets, governments become really unstable. This happened in '79 in Iran. It also happened during the Russian Revolution when the Navy took the side of the revolutionaries (and was not trusted by the central government since)

My stabs in the dark are based on historic revolutions

[Kaleko]

21. This is also what finally brought down the Berlin wall.

East German Stasi refused to engage their own fleeing compatriots in a shoot-out... and that was it. The wall came tumbling down, the rest is history. My own history. I was just lucky enough to be born in the western part.

The situation in Iran today has exactly the same feel to me. We're at the tipping point.

[Posteritatis]

20. There've been a few rounds of arrests among the IRG's senior staff lately, no? (nt)

[Adsos Letter]

5. I posted a question for nadin in this thread; I would be curious as to your thoughts also.

And thankyou for keeping us informed WillyT.

[WillyT]

8. You Are Quite Welcome !!! - And All I Know, Is That We're Real Close To The Tipping Point !!!

I'm sure behind the scenes there are deals being made, intrigue, treachery, and all things that happen when a government is in existential crisis.

No way to tell how this ends... yet.

:hi:

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Tweeters from Iran were reporting on those back room deals

before any media even hinted at them

The national strike is set for tomorrow

[Odin2005]

6. OMG, is a mutiny brewing!?!

:wow:

Here we go, folks, the revolution by will twittered!

[scarletwoman]

7. Well, it was clear from Friday's speech that Khamenei is going for broke.

He's going to hang on to power until it's wrested away from him. If there are cracks in the support of the IRGC this could get very interesting.

Next big development is to see if Rafsanjani can get the support of Qom.

[ColbertWatcher]

9. Is Ali Fazli being scapegoated? n/t

[canetoad]

12. If he is

they are taking a huge risk that the army quietly accept it.

[ColbertWatcher]

13. Are soldiers accepting the arrest? n/t

[Dark]

14. Desperate times call for desperate measures. They're on the verge of losing control

The civilians? Seizing a general who's been accused of NOT killing their countrymen?

Yea, that's going to go over real well in the military...

They know the military's leaning toward the protesters. Now, they're trying a desperate gambit to keep the military under control.

[jazzjunkysue]

17. Proof that religion is politics.

All religion. Otherwise, what's the point?

It's the consolidation of power. Period. That's why mind control is the central function of all religion.

It's just easier to accept when it's not your own personal religion.

[nomaco-10]

18. The current regime appears to be imploding from within....

We may be witnessing true revolution. I just hope it does not come at a huge toll of human suffering and death for the brave people of Iran that want reform and change.

Something that bush* could never wrap his tiny brain around: change comes from within, not from outside forces trying to manipulate change with an agenda. It never works and never will.

[Turborama]

19. IBT: Revolutionary Guards commander defies Khamenei's orders to use force on protestors

A commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards has been arrested for refusing to obey Iran's Supreme Leader, according to reports from the Balatarin website.

General Ali Fazli, who was recently appointed as a commander of the Revolutionary Guards in the province of Tehran, is reported to have been arrested after he refused to carry out orders from the Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei to use force on people protesting the controversial re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Fazli, a veteran of the devastating Iran-Iraq war is also believed to have been sacked and taken to an unknown location.

The Revolutionary Guards is a separate body to the mainstream armed forces in Iran and is seen as one of the main and most powerful bodies responsible for protecting the Islamic theocratic regime.

Earlier today the Revolutionary Guards issued a warning on its website threatening to come down hard on Iranians who continue protesting against what many in the country see as rigged elections.

From: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/20090622/revolutionary-guards-iran-iranian-protests.htm

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. This is where things get interesting.

The Chinese government panicked and ordered the slaughter at Tienanmen when military officers of different units refused earlier orders to break up the demonstrations.

[lindisfarne]

24. Anyone know anything more on this guy? n/t