Wasn't Gray Davis Recalled For the Job He was Doing in CA.?How come Arnold Gets A Free Pass?

[romantico]

What am I missing here? I mean, I thought this was why Davis was recalled.Looks like under Arnold's watch things are a lot worse or is Davis to blame for the troubles in CA. now?

[NV Whino]

1. We're out of money

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. That's why Davis was recalled, all right.

Arnold's in trouble too, now, but for a long time, he wasn't. He's a star, doncha know!:P

[Liberal_in_LA]

3. rightwing talk radio kept up the drum beat to chase Davis from office, No such equivalent for Dems

Dems just don't go after blood the way the GOP does.

[UTUSN]

4. K&R #1 for, I can't believe this is the FIRST K&R!1 n/t

[ColbertWatcher]

5. Good question and someone nees to ask the GOP's Great Aryan Hope that at his next photo-op. k+r, n/t

[onager]

6. Davis was recalled...

...because Darrel Issa personally bankrolled the initiative to recall him. Issa planned to step in and steal the governorship, but a visit from Karl Rove & Co. changed his mind.

That, and finding Ann Coulter's head in his bed.

One of the biggest complaints against Davis was energy prices, which were being manipulated by Enron at the time.

[Jack Rabbit]

12. Issa's ancestors are Arabs

You wouldn't catch Ann Coulter's racist ass in his bed.

[jemsan]

13. you are 100% right on..........

it was the raise in the license plate fees that did Davis in....the la times recently reported that the amount of the deficit was about the amount that would have been raised by the license fee increase. Thanks Darrel!!

[Cleita]

21. Darryl Issa didn't have enough money to bankroll the initiative drive.

He sold car alarms. He was funded by some deep pockets right out of Washington, the same deep pockets who sent Karl Rove to change his mind after he was no longer useful.

[xxqqqzme]

45. He bankrolled the signature gatherers not the campaign.

[Cleita]

53. Yes, but he didn't have the money to bankroll the

signature gatherers either. That money came from the same place that Arnold's campaign money came from.

[Marsala]

31. Because nobody else is dumb enough to want the job now

The state has pretty much legislated itself into becoming a banana republic.

[Greyhound]

36. It wasn't the prices, it was his buckling to the blatant extortion instead of

standing up to the thieves.

[Bluzmann57]

7. Because Enron set Davis up

Or so I've heard. Of course I don't live in California, so I may not know what I'm talking about. And it wouldn't be the first time.

[omega minimo]

9. google it. tell us about it.

:hi:

[WCGreen]

10. Sounds logical to me...

[onager]

11. Pretty much, though Davis may have been collateral damage.

This whole story is told in the great documentary, Enron: The Smartest Guys In The Room.

Davis is interviewed and seems to think he was set up, at least partly.

A woman who was on California's power commission (IIRC) is clearly mad enough to spit nails while being interviewed, and she points out EXACTLY what Davis should have done.

He should have mobilized the National Guard and marched them into just one power plant. To show Enron he was serious. That would have probably stopped Enron in its tracks.

[annm4peace]

17. Thanks.. I'm still upset of the Energy crisis Cheney should be hanged

There is so much evidence that many should be held accountable.


The hearings of the CA energy crisis also explains a lot.

[Kerrytravelers]

24. The LA Times reported on this extensively during the recall nonsense.

Arnold had a meeting with Enron shortly before the recall. And then, the recall happened. Big surprise there.

The problem is, so few people read the newspaper, no one really knows this- except, of course, for those of us who still read the papers.

[Merlot]

27. Close. Enrong was used by the repubs to set Davis up

arnie was in on the early enrong meetings. I think it was planned and promised to arnie long before issa-sob stepped in.

[omega minimo]

8. Davis was recalled for "gridlock in the Legislature" which is not the solution to gridlock.

And people voted in the Terminator, as the "Change is Good" candidate.

He's Pro-business, Anti-people of Kollyfonia.

There's still gridlock in the Legislature.

He vetoed Sen. Sheila Keuhl's Health Care for all bill THREE TIMES. Now he's sending children, ill and indigent out on the gangplank first.

:evilfrown:

[Merlot]

28. People thought it would be "cool" to have arnie as gov

Seriously, that's what a lot of people said.

So, how cool is it now?

[omega minimo]

29. A lot of people are stupid.

:thumbsdown:

[JDPriestly]

48. Arnie promised to increase the enrollment of children in the public healthcare plan.

He broke that promise big time. No one seems to remember that he ever made that promise.

Arnie said he would get rid of waste and, as a result, would not need to raise taxes. He tried to find waste but couldn't. Arnie did not know what he was talking about, but people liked him because he was a star and had a cute accent. Arnie is a phony.

[omega minimo]

55. You're right. Dunno know bout that accent. The noise that comes from his face is nauseating.

[EFerrari]

14. No. Imo, Gray Davis was set up by the the Republicans via Enron

as the first step in turning CA red, afaik. They faked an energy crisis here and pinned it on Davis and we were off to the races. Cheney may have had an oar in. The whole thing was dirty.

Then they ran off our Dem SOS -- the first one in the nation to go after the vapor voting machines -- and smeared him out of office. So they could appoint a Republican who would was black box friendly. It almost worked, too.

[Horse with no Name]

39. I don't recall the connections

but it also had something to do with the deregulation of the electric companies in Texas under then Gov bush.

[dreamnightwind]

49. +1

Yeah, that's pretty much my view of things too, well said. The petition drive was classic astro-turf, all of a sudden there were people at every super market gathering sigs, at many major street corners, media couldn't get enough of it either.

And you're right about Shelley and the voting machines. That was surreal to watch go down. They used this line of attack as to how he was "disagreeable" and had been harsh and abusive to people who worked for him. I actually don't know how true that attack was, but I know a targeted attack when I see one. No matter who you are, if you threaten the interests of power enough, they will have some angle from which to attack you.

Sinking the MSM in favor of a more diverse and less corporate internet media, and discrediting the MSM as dishonest and serving certain people's agendas is the only way I see to combat these sort of things. Most people aren't savvy enough to see through media manipulation, unfortunately, and our media is staffed with highly skilled representatives of the powers that be. They know how to tell their story, truth be damned.

[Cleita]

15. Darryl Issa was funded by a very large RW money machine right out

of Washington. All the petition gatherers were paid. We don't have the cash to get rid of Arnold. I have always been suspicious that the petitions weren't really kosher considering some anecdotal information I got from some signers who told me that the petitioners had two petitions one was to recall Davis and the other to keep him. If you didn't want to sign to recall him you could sign the second petition to keep him. I reported this to the DNC and anyone else I could and basically got blank stares or was told, that no one would cheat like that and I must be mistaken.

[Johonny]

58. I agree

the poster should go write a letter to Issa if he wants another recall election.

[pinto]

16. No. It was a Republican, SoCal, well-financed recall coup. Daryl Issa and friends laid

the Tex/CA energy billing scam fostered by the Governor's predecessor, Pete Wilson (R), at Davis' door. Davis inherited it, yet he couldn't negotiate our way out of the scam without some cost to Californians. Issa and other extremist Republicans jumped at the chance to 1. lead a recall effort, 2. divide Democrats and 3. elect a Republican governor via the recall. They were successful on all three points.

[lindisfarne]

18. Any resident of CA can start a recall campaign. Need a lot of money to do it, though.

The Dems probably figure the economy is harming the Repubs (Schwarzenegger) in a way they never could hope to!

[notadmblnd]

19. cause the Dems have no one as sleezy as Darryl Issa to organize a recall?

Just my guess:shrug:

[EFerrari]

23. LOL! We have a winner!

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

20. Gray was recalled because he wasn't a celebrity

And when you can have a celebrity as you're governor, Californians will take that every time, just like Texans.

[Hekate]

44. Read the posts from us Californians, okay?

[Kerrytravelers]

22. Arnold is a movie star. He gets a free pass. Davis was dealing with Enron, the guys who paid for the

recall and funding Arnold, therefore, he doesn't get a free pass. He was the target of a smear campaign.

[omega minimo]

33. and the pols who know wtf they're doing are "boring" while action hero boneheads are "change"

:puke:

[Kerrytravelers]

35. I literally saw a woman the day of the recall excited because she voted for "the action man."

But she couldn't remember his name. The interviewer told her the name and she said, "that's the one."

Democracy inaction.

[WillyT]

25. Because Apparently We're A Bunch Of Idiots Out Here !!!

:banghead:

:crazy:

[omega minimo]

30. Lets rally at the Capitol of Kollyfonia with the 10 or so that aren't.

:thumbsup: Let's go in and take rides on Schwarzzie's goddamn GRIZZLY BEAR IN THE FUCKING HALLWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[WillyT]

34. I Want His Fucking Cigar Tent !!!

I'm a state worker, and I have to be 25 feet away from my building to take a drag.

:wtf:

Oh... and I'd like my 10% reduction in pay back too, if you please.

:hi:

[KakistocracyHater]

26. because "Dems" have so far refused to organize to get a petition

signed, they seem to think elves or mermaids will do it all & "magickally" it gets done. OI think this was the last VERY DAMAGING idea programmed into the Left by those who jumped Right & took that ugly smiley-face thing with them, it always made me feel queasy, & when I saw it in Walmart's campaign....I knew something was fishy.

[JI7]

32. Davis was the one calling out the fraud that was happening in California and around the country

with the whole energy companies.

combine that with stupid people in california getting excited about the terminator being governor.

now look at what a fucking mess we are in.

[Merlot]

38. Yes, that's another reason his head was on the chopping block

He started to bring suits against enron...then arnie gets in and suits go away. CA would have gotten money back from enron if Davis had been able to follow through.

It's risky business cleaning up after repubs...elephants leave a LOT of crap behind.

[BlooInBloo]

37. Because the CA electorate says so.

[Hannah Bell]

41. who are you kidding?

[Hannah Bell]

40. because the ptb wanted davis out & schwartzenegger in so they could sink cali.

the voters were (cough) "led" to do what the ptb wanted.

it's usually the case, since the power structure controls most info & $ flow.

the ptb still want schwartzenegger to oversee the sinking of cali.

thus no push for recall - though the "little people" are restless.

the little people can be led, but they rarely organize themselves.

[Hekate]

42. As Ambassador Joe Wilson said in a speech at UCSB at the time: "Regime change just isn't for Iraq."

The implication was crystal clear to those of us in the audience: the Gray Davis recall election was being orchestrated by the Republican Party and from out of state.

Now that we've been pillaged, why bother?

Any more questions?

Hekate

[Iwillnevergiveup]

43. I remember Arnold saying

"We are going to cut up the credit cards..." I was hoping he'd be delegitimized when a few women came forward to complain he sexually harrassed them, but the Terminator was forgiven.

Let's not forget our heritage: another idiot actor was governor - Ronald Reagan.:argh:

[ContinentalOp]

46. Wasn't Clinton impeached for lying about a blowjob? How come Bush gets a free pass...

for lying to take us to war? Same thing. Same reasons.

[autorank]

47. Cuz Diebold said so! Excellent question. k*r

That's why. It's a rigged game out there and Warren "Mr. Perfect" Buffett has some 'splainin to do ... not about Diebold but about his very public support for this clown. B

[zbdent]

50. he's a Republican media darling ...

[kskiska]

51. Gray Davis had just been re-elected

when the recall began. In view of how things turned out, maybe he's considering himself lucky.

[Festivito]

52. Must be that left-wing media.

Energy Co.s fake outages, raise rates. (R)
(even get recorded)
Lawsuit starts. (D)
Davis ousted. (R)
Lawsuit goes quietly away. (R)

R's win.

We can't toss Pelosi. Bush not impeached.

R's win.

Left-wing media. Silent, except when supporting right-wing takeovers for right-wingers.

[supernova]

54. Looks like Davis may have had the better end of the deal

though it didn't look like it at the time.

At least he's not in this mess.

I feel sorry for CA and all our CA DUers, not that NC is doing so hot right now either.

[NashVegas]

56. Because No Democrat Wants the Job Badly Enough or Has Enough Support to Force Another Recall

Is why.

[Gman2]

57. We in Calif. are so friggin smart that we dont trust the judgement of our

elected officials. So, we the people do the lawmaking. And we stop the buck, no matter where it ends up. Arnie, no matter how vile I feel electing celebrities, or wives of dead celebrities or etc., Jesus couldnt run this joint. And YES, Gray Davis was smeared by this big jerk. And weall were gangraped by Arnie, Bush, Cheney and enron as their weapon of choice. I think we should use our 5th largest economy in the world, and call some of our own shots. Make our own deals. Establish methods and restrictions to deal with green requirements in the future. Sell it worldwide. We are freethinkers. And some of the best chewing gum and bailingwire engineers anywhere. I am one.


BUT, no matter who is in as gov., they will fail until we deal with the prop 13 hole, and sue the living shit outta washington to recoup our expenditures for illegals and other unfunded mandates.