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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 01:41 PM
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DKos Diary: Iran in Turmoil - Trusting the Media Again, Aren't We?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/6/21/745116/-Iran-in-TurmoilTrusting-the-Media-Again,-Arent-We

As much as one wants to shoot the messenger bearing bad news, there is an equal and opposite desire to toast and celebrate the messenger bearing the news we have longed for. And be sure, sometimes the messengers will gather to salute, toast, congratulate and celebrate each other. That adds to the chances that we will appreciate the messenger.

I risk having myself and this diary attacked for flagrant "killjoyism", for being the wettest blanket at a sunny picnic. I feel it is incumbent to get this card out and on the table first. I hope for, desire and crave for the peaceful and immediate emergence of a new Iranian regime highly reflective of the views of its population.

My secret and awful wishes are that the new regime in Iran is more secular than the median of Iran's more fervent sector, and that it remains unhelpful to multinational oil conglomerates who never liked me anyway, and remains a voice for a just settlement for Palestinians.

All that aside, like most of you, I am watching world shaping events unfold through the eyes of American based television and cable news operations. Should I worry? Should you? Let's talk.


more at http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/6/21/745116/-Iran-in-TurmoilTrusting-the-Media-Again,-Arent-We
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More common sense spoken. We need to take a deep breath and listen.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 01:52 PM
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1. I am watching it through twitter and other links from there
amazing how much chaff there is, but some gold too.

Oh and CNN is following the tweet too since they have no reporters on the ground. They are bind and have to rely on them silly stupid members of the new media. Yes, has been funny to see that.

To me monitoring this is actually good for game material and novel material, as well as the voyerism of watching history in the making.

Now here is a patter I have found interesting.

Reach for them conspiracy theories.

On the one hand the CIA and Mossad are orchestrating this... not only to be read here, but also from agent provocateurs and others on many a website, but at the same time they are really, and I mean this from the bottom of my heart, really incapable.

My all time fav... them tweets are generated at Langley, all of them. (Truth be told they might be bouncing them from Iran to many an intelligence agency here and abroad for distribution through our fleet and other allied fleets, but that is another matter)

And of course the insular expectation that women should remove burkas, and other things like referring to this by OUR cultural references. The whole thing is somewhat strange, but hey, useful for the working writer...

:-)
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 01:56 PM
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3. Intelligence operations are more complicated than . . .
". . . them tweets are generated at Langley." It is possible to have both an intelligence operation and a real uprising.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 01:59 PM
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6. Exactly, but you'd never know it from the nature of some posts
people truly believe that we are generating the tweeter traffic.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 02:10 PM
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7. I understand that
They don't realize we don't have to generate tweets. But there are intel operations going on to supplement and compliment this activity.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 02:35 PM
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8. I would not bet on it... truly
as is this looks very much like they already lost control... and I mean any puppeteers.

I just don't automatically assume an active operation... nor discount it. But I just don't assume it, and I have seen the meddling of the CIA (and other intel bodies) for real.

This has a very local quality to it... though we have plenty of provocateurs as well

The problem is that people assume that we have to have a hand in this... and I have the very sneaky that in this case, like '79, we don't. Nor will we be happy, or our government to be specific, by what we get in the end.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 03:40 PM
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13. Well, perhaps we'll see when the dust settles and I will be wrong
Though I'm prety confident foreign intelligence agencies are actively involved.

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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 01:52 PM
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2. I understand the sentiment
While there is a genuine hunger for reform in Iran and that reform would be positive, parts of the current "revolution" resembles an intelligence operation.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 01:57 PM
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5. Agreed. There is more than one thing going on here
and we are only seeing a slice of Iranian life, not the whole country.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 01:57 PM
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4. I'm going through Sully and Huffpo.
I actually trust them more than I do the cable newsbreathers.
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Party Person Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 02:39 PM
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9. Dick Cheney created a parallel government
accountable only to him personally. That government still exists, unbeknownst to Obama, embedded in the CIA. I believe that's whose creating these tweets.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 03:51 PM
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14. That's where I stand too
these bastards want a new oil war and they have gone on the inside to get one. This is conniving underhanded Economic Hit man stuff if I've ever seen it. Next all those fucking demented tea-baggers will be back in the streets. Wait and watch. Welcome to DU.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 02:42 PM
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10. They have played us well
However, here's a "play" we have all overlooked: that our cynicism turns our political acumen, which we all prize, into a panopticon with ourselves as the guards.

If we cultivate cynicism, and believe it to be the proper response to any corrupt communication channel, then all it takes is a very low threshold of deceit to activate that cynicism, and shut down ALL attention to that communication channel -- or, in some cases, ALL of them.

In this writer's case, the cynicism has kicked in preemptively. The author is so cynical, so wary of being deceived, that s/he believes nothing outside his or her preconceived ideas, a Leftist model of political power tailored to his/her understanding. It enforces a kind of "hipster narcissism" -- though it also exists on the Right, especially among the Black Helicopter Right. Either way, the smarter the cynic, the worse the affliction is.

We see it everyday in petty forms right here. If you have an opinion that conflicts with that of another, then you are often accused of being paid off. Just because money can be used to buy political opinion, the cynic thinks that ALL political opinions are now the product of bribery -- all except his/her own, that is.

There is also the persistent belief that the government and "the corporations" can, and do, control all communication channels, especially content. Well, they don't, although they can control specific content as they sense the need to. Orwell discussed this in 1984, about how the citizens of Oceania never knew whether they were under surveillance, so they just assumed that they always were. They became self-policing. Mission Accomplished.

This is a (politically) very destructive gambit. It literally turns our thought processes against us, and we continue in the illusion that we are capable of rational observation when we have shut down. Paranoia is a short step away. The Left has always been big on thinking and dramatizing; it is time to take some of Marx's advice and actually DO stuff, the mundane, unexciting work of life, reform, or revolution, as the situation warrants.

The people of the United States are not suffering nearly enough to make the kind of revolution that is necessary today in Iran. But if we ever do, we are going to need to become un-cynical very fast. Autonomous self-trust will be essential; our conceits of cleverness will bring the edifice of our cynicism crashing down on us long before the police arrive.

--d!
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 03:01 PM
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11. Right. Doubtfulness taken to the extreme
finally turns into yet another dogmatic belief system.


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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 03:15 PM
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12. Well said and yes I am a cynic
when it comes to the US political system, but this has a very local feel to it.

Now let me add one more thing.

People EXPECT the results of those revolts to match their very western expectations of idealized whatever, and when they don't (and will not) the cynic goes into overdrive.

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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 03:56 PM
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15. Preparing the Battlefield - Seymour Hersh
Anyone else remember this? $400 million!!

"Late last year, Congress agreed to a request from President Bush to fund a major escalation of covert operations against Iran, according to current and former military, intelligence, and congressional sources. These operations, for which the President sought up to four hundred million dollars, were described in a Presidential Finding signed by Bush, and are designed to destabilize the country’s religious leadership. The covert activities involve support of the minority Ahwazi Arab and Baluchi groups and other dissident organizations. They also include gathering intelligence about Iran’s suspected nuclear-weapons program."

more from The New Yorker July 7, 2008

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/07/080707fa_fact_hersh
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 04:00 PM
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16. . .
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liteworker101 Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 04:17 PM
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17. Thanks again Tom_Paine - another voice of reason -
".....All that aside, like most of you, I am watching world shaping events unfold through the eyes of American based television and cable news operations. Should I worry? Should you? Let's talk."


Hell YES! It just seems as though there is not too many of us that want to talk/discuss in a rational/civil way anymore. Black is White and White is Black and there is no Grey. I'm too new/old here and after the ruckus I inadvertently started earlier today I am leary of saying/writing anything else here. DU has certainly changed and I'm not sure for the better.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 05:14 PM
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18. The credibility of the US-sponsored "Iranian dissidents" is extremely low
The CIA seems more interested in cooperating with special ops types to stir up the Baluchis and other ethnic minorities out in the provinces than in having anything to do with Iranian students in the major cities. And the groups that *are* trying to promote pro-democracy activists seem totally lame.

For example, here are a couple of entries from RightWeb discussing the execrable Cliff May's Foundation for Defense of Democracies and its association with faux-dissident and Neocon darling Akbar Atri. Frankly, the whole operation looks a lot more like a money-grubbing scam than like anything that could resonate with actual Iranian activists.
http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/Foundation_for_Defense_of_Democracies

A sign of the FDD's emergence as a major player in the advocacy world occurred on March 13, 2006, when President George W. Bush delivered a speech on the "Global War on Terrorism" at an FDD-sponsored event. The president commended the FDD's work: "The foundation is making a difference across the world, and I appreciate the difference you're making. You have trained Iraqi women and Iranian students in the principles and practice of democracy, you've translated 'democracy readers' into Arabic for distribution across the broader Middle East, you've helped activists across the region organize effective political movements—so they can help bring about democratic change and ensure the survival of liberty in new democracies." . . .

An effective FDD initiative in drawing media and policymaker attention is its conference program. From 2001 to 2006, FDD sponsored or cosponsored nearly 20 conferences, mostly in Washington, DC, and Bush's March 13, 2006 speech on the war on terror highlighted FDD's rapid rise in influence. In early March 2006, FDD sponsored a panel discussion with the Iranian Students for Democracy and Human Rights at the U.S. Capitol. The topic was the state of the pro-democracy movement within Iran. In February 2006, FDD sponsored two conferences, one with the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) on the subject of democracy and terrorism, and the other with the European Foundation for Democracy on the subject of "Iran, Lebanon, Hezbollah, and the Future Jihad against the West." . . .

In its Form 990 tax form for 2004, FDD indicated that Ameriquest Capital had donated $1.55 million to the foundation. The form also showed Clifford May's salary at more than $305,000 a year. In 2004, the Sarah Scaife Foundation granted FDD $125,000 for general operating expenses, and a combined $275,000 in 2005 for program and project support. In 2005 FDD had assets of close to $5.5 million, according to MediaTransparency.org.


http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/Atri_Akbar

A self-styled member of the Iranian student dissident movement, Akbar Atri has, since fleeing Iran in 2005, become a favorite of the neoconservative faction in the United States, where he has vigorously promoted Iran regime-change strategies. . . .

Atri's story, including his reasons for fleeing Iran and his alleged leadership in the Iranian student movement, have been recounted in various fora, including the rightist New York Sun and Wikipedia, which featured (as of October 2007) a fawning profile of Atri that was being investigated by wiki editors for its apparent lack of neutrality. Atri's wiki entry at the time claimed: "Akbar Atri, a visionary within the Iranian student movement, has been a longtime leading proponent of global democracy and human rights standards within Iran. He is a founding member of Iranian Students for Democracy and Human Rights and former member of central committee, Takhim Vahdat, Iran's largest student democratic organization. He has been imprisoned, fined, physically abused at the hands the Iranian regime for his political activities." . . .

Some accounts of Atri's work challenge aspects of his public profile, in particular his claim to leadership of the Iranian student movement. In an article about an "Iran Freedom Concert" that was held at Harvard University in March 2006, the Harvard Crimson noted that Atri was the event's featured guest. It reported: "The main guest featured at the Iran Freedom Concert, activist Akbar Atri, strongly endorsed the U.S. invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq at the event. He had already discredited himself among Iranian reformists earlier this month when he appeared before Congress as a self-appointed representative of the student movement to ask for American support for regime change in Iran. If the organizers were interested in drawing attention to Iran, perhaps they would have contacted an Iranian student organization. In fact, not a single member of the Harvard Persian Society (primarily undergraduates) or the Harvard Iranian Students Association (HISA) (primarily graduates) was asked to support the concert. Only when a translator was needed did the organizers bother to contact HISA." The Crimson article added: "The need to defend human rights in Iran is as indisputable as the regime's long record of torture and suppression of basic freedoms. ... foreign interference destroys civilian lives, institutions, and infrastructure, and provides a pretext for heightened repression. Solidarity with Iranian dissidents must be sophisticated enough to avoid manipulation by the neoconservative agenda."

In March 2006, Atri participated in a forum on Capitol Hill sponsored by the neoconservative-led Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (FDD) aimed at building support for Iran sanctions legislation promoted by Lieberman and then-Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) (New York Sun, March 3, 2006). Also speaking at the event was FDD's Clifford May.


I mean, Ameriquest? The gargantuan subprime mortgage lender that was also a major funder of Progress for America? Give me a break!

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